So unhappy with those "fixed" (buffed) killers...

Nobody can stream snipe you if you're not advertising your stream in a way that they can see or add a delay to your stream. Just saying.

Master said:

@RailY said:

@MinusTheBillie said:
I play both sides and love all the changes. It's 4 on 1. They have to be strong. The game loses it's luster when survivors can just taunt and run circles til they win. No one should win every game on either side. 

1) The changes are actually getting me more into the game. Trapper and Hag are scary again, and the Wraith will be terrifying. 

2) Camping is a strategy. SUCKs to be camped, but the others can finish so many gens in that time. Punishes the Killer for being a camper, despite getting 1 kill.

3) Gen Rush is a strategy; hell, it's the objective to finish gens and escape. Mind you, I'd love to increase gen repair time a bit to balance, but that's it. 

4) Tunneling is a strategy. Get the weakest of the pride while you can. They can run and hide. I've done it. It can be tough and frustrating, but frees up others to repair. 

5) Looping seems more like an unintended exploit, but it's being countered with a lot of the changes. Still, in current state, it's a strategy to burn the killers time. 

6) You shouldn't have to allow survivors a 2nd and 3rd chance for them to enjoy the game. A killer shouldn't have to show mercy. Killers gonna kill. 

7) I may have an unpopular opinion and this is from someone that hasn't broken into the top 5 ranks, but that's my take from someone who hovers around rank 8. 

8) All the changes are getting the game closer to what they envisioned the game to feel like all along, in my opinion. It works for me! Keep the buffs and adjustments coming. Have Freddys dream transition prevent actions and he's back in business as well! Hope that's on its way. 

Let me burst you bubble real quick. Not that it's going to educate you at all, but it will make me feel better so here we go ~

1) There is a VERY specific group of people that "gets more into the game" after those changes. And that Group is Killers between Rank 5-15. Killers who used to 4k will still 4k. (There is a reason why streamers like Mulder can go up to 100-150 kill streak before even 1 survivor escapes through even the Hatch.) And people who Survive With Friends, will keep making the life of killers miserable by bypassing one of the fundementall DbD rule which is communication.

2) Camping is a Strategy and it sucks when you are getting camped indeed. I personally don't propose any change to it either.

3) Gen running is not a Strategy, Gen rushing is not a thing. It's a term salty streamers started using and popularising. If you are unable to put pressure on people they will do gens. Sorry if we won't just stare at the crows.

4) Tunneling is indeed a strategy.

5) As it has been stated by many many people before me, Looping is the very last saving Grace a survivor has in order to survive. When Vaulting windows is pretty much broken, when pallets are getting removed every other update, when Detection perks for killers pretty much give you Wall hax these days and when Stealthy perks for Survivors are so weak, they literaly by definition have no other means of escaping. Period.
You want to nerf pallet looping give them an alternative way of surviving. They don't enjoy looping either, trust me.

6) Who does? o.O

7) My point exactly

8) That's almost a disgusting opinion. The game was intended to be a Hide and Seek. When you remove the ability of people to Hide, by adding Powerful detection perks to the game, don't expect the Rules of the game to stay the same. Now it's a PvP game. And the Killer perks is what made it that way. And It's fine I like it but, don't think that making killers fearfull again is anywhere close to the right move, unless it's been done both ways. Because hell yea, a killer with wallhacks, when you have no where to go and no where to hide is fearfull. good job.

Remove the wallhacks, the disgusting 6 second scratch marks, and the ability for the killer to straight up HEAR me breathing when he is anywhere around me, and then sure, go ahead, remove every pallet , every window and every Flashlight in the game. I will be hiding from bush to bush. lets play Hide and Seek like it was "meant to be"

1) mulder can play trapper/hag and 4k in a row till he has 150 kills on high rank?
Please provide some footage because I would like to learn from him how to become a better killer, thanks

3) genrushing is just doing the survivors objective, just like tunneling is for the killer basically

8) maybe it was advertised as hide or seek in the beginning, but we got fooled and they actually developed another game, I dont like that either tbh

@Crazy91Girl said:
Am I the only one who disslikes those killer buffs?
I was biggest fan of this game before, but now... Sorry but this game pissing me off nowdays.
You keep buffing killers because what?
If you gonna do that, so start ban people who camps, tunnels others (you have no chance at ALL to play any single match).
And stream snipers (i'm a streamer and this happens too often)!!! It's a cheat! Why don't you do anything about this?
Those 3 groups of people should be seriously get a ban.

This game is no more fun because of those things.
And waiting time to play as a killers are insane.

Stream snipers can be dealt with by adding a delay on your stream and readying up with an early group if it take too long leave lobby start again. This problem is everywhere not in DBD alone. Hearthstone players like kripparain get this crap all the time, DBD is not the only game that has this problem. As for bans for camping and tunnel lets just say we did ban tunnelers and campers. Made some safe area where killers couldn't hit recently unhooked survivors, well then survivors could exploit the ######### out of it and the unhook could body block until their invulnerability elapsed. Also tunneling a survivor has times and moments when its pretty reasonable. If you have a team of ds players then changing targets will lose you so much momentum you can easily lose the game. Not many survivors pick up on this. Because it only serves to benefit them. Finally your bans are clearly being pointed at the wrong group here how is it the killer fault for trying to kill you after being unhooked. Shouldn't the blame rest with your unhooker who ran away and left you with the aggro or simply choose a really poor time for a save. Why not ban them?

In the end you were able to play the game you got downed once and died on first hook feels bad but if saves were free I guarantee you it would lead to serious exploitation by survivors. Nearly every asymmetrical game kills you immediately upon being caught and beaten. DBD is insanely generous with its 3 hook system. If I am behind theirs 2 gens left i need someone out of the game. I am under pressure to remove a player telling me i can't because of some arbitrary honor code is ignorance of the various strategies a killer needs to come back into the game. Imagine if I said I ban you for using hatch. That would be insanely stupid, irregardless of how unfair the hatch is towards a killer who worked hard for his 4K. Playing to your outs is important in any game provided you not deliberately exploiting the game or hacking all is fair game.

As for the killer buffs you need to play around each killer. Be aware of their kit and counter it with your existing layout. If a hag is in game focus on crouching around gens and totems. Try and trigger her traps when shes in the process of bringing a survivor to a hook. If its trapper disarm the traps where you expect them to be so future chases will be hindered for the killer. All of this you would know if you played these killers but if all you play is survivors you won't advance that far, as these killers will exploit your weaknesses and lack of killer knowledge. Even the best survivors play a varied palette of killers so you can fight them.

Everyone has their own weak points and strenghts and basing on that they choose their strategy. For some people camping or tunneling will be very effective for others it'll be waste of time. Maybe you can get 4k without these strategies but it doesn't mean others also can (If someone can speak 30 languages does that mean anyone can? No) nor that they're weak players. It's as if you said that survivors who focuses mostly on gens instead of looping the killer are noobs.

I'm survivor main and I know well how it is to be camped or tunneled. It sucks but it doesn't change that tunneling and camping are not bannable offenses. Not to mention some of the killer perks are made specifically for that. Also camping and tunneling is not something you can't counter. Eveything has its weak points, you just have to observe and learn.
You can have even 1m hours in this game but if you can't adapt to these changes that means you don't have much experience.

@Crazy91Girl said:
Am I the only one who disslikes those killer buffs?
I was biggest fan of this game before, but now... Sorry but this game pissing me off nowdays.
You keep buffing killers because what?
If you gonna do that, so start ban people who camps, tunnels others (you have no chance at ALL to play any single match).
And stream snipers (i'm a streamer and this happens too often)!!! It's a cheat! Why don't you do anything about this?
Those 3 groups of people should be seriously get a ban.

This game is no more fun because of those things.
And waiting time to play as a killers are insane.

Did you seriously just say campers and tunnelers should get a ban?
...
Before I respond to that, I need to know.
Do you have a mental disorder? This is a serious question, are you mentally challenged?

You think they should completely remove all players who play their game that use a basic strategy that the devs have said is a strategy?
Also, tunneling isn't a thing, it's a made up term for Survivors who are mad that they died. If you're right next to someone unhooking, it's common sense to hit the one that is injured so they're down instead of starting a chase with one person and letting the other get away, not a bannable offense. And while I agree facecamping is scummy, any other type of "camping" is not only easily counterable but also completely fair. Just because the killer doesn't let a Survivor walk up to you and unhook on a golden platter doesn't mean they should have their money on the game wasted and have it removed from them.

Also, while I've never come into contact with a stream sniper so I can't really comment, from what I know it's kind of your fault for putting ttv in your name. And if you want to advertise, than just type it in the chat while by the campfire.

You are so entitled, you think everyone has to play one way, everytime, so you can always win. Unfortunately, you aren't the most important driving force of the world. Unfortunately, because you passive agressively complained about it on the forums doesn't mean that we must kneel down and say "Oh of course, we're so sorry for competently playing the game, next time I'll be sure to give you back off the hook on a golden platter, and then go stare at a wall for 7 hours to let you complete gens and leave from the gates!"

This has to be a troll thread, it just has to be.

@Crazy91Girl said:

This guy is obviously trolling or trying to create some flamewar, just move along.

First of all, Im not a GUY. And no im not trolling. I have different opinion than others, if you can't accept that and talk normal, do me a favour and leave this post

Man how was he supposed to know you're a girl? Actually, I guess the name might have given it away, but still, it can be hard to say for sure sometimes. But trust me when I say Men are usually much more offended when called a girl because it insults our fragile manliness. That is just a general assumption, it varies from person to person on both sides. My point is, we usually assume it's a guy because guys are usually the ones more upset if you get it wrong, but again, it varies. I dunno, I don't really have any argument for that, it isn't the main topic at hand here.
TL;DR: Just skip this part and read the next paragraph.

Anyway, I'll admit I had just finished a series of salt-inducing games before finding this post so I was much more inclined to be a salty piece of ######### when I wrote my response. But your opinions just don't match up to me and many others. I know they're opinions and you're entitled to them, but the thing is it's a game, and just as much as you are inclined to have fun when killers don't "camp" or "tunnel," killers are inclined to have fun camping and tunneling, so it's not a bannable offense. That's just ridiculous and overly harsh. Following that logic, looping and stealthing are also bannable and Survivors should just walk up to the Killer and let themselves die. I incline you to go back to my previous reply and ignore the beginning part about you being mentally ill. And maybe some of the other insults I hurled; just maybe.

Crazy91Girl said:

I'm not gonna pay more money for this game (like i did before). I was waiting for every DLC, and bought every single DLC just right after they came out.
But no more - until you fix those problems - because it is a problem when you playing survivor.

Boss said:

@Crazy91Girl said:
Am I the only one who disslikes those killer buffs?

No.

@Crazy91Girl said:
I was biggest fan of this game before, but now... Sorry but this game pissing me off nowdays.

This game's pissed off everyone at some point, join the club.

@Crazy91Girl said:
You keep buffing killers because what?

Because they were in a place with too little power, which was silly because they're the ones who have 0 teammates.

@Crazy91Girl said:
If you gonna do that, so start ban people who camps, tunnels others (you have no chance at ALL to play any single match).

Unfortunately for you, you're not one to decide who gets banned for what. And i just played 3 Survivor games in a row with lots of chances to escape, so idk what you're talking about it being impossible.)

@Crazy91Girl said:
And stream snipers (i'm a streamer and this happens too often)!!! It's a cheat! Why don't you do anything about this?

Using voice communication to avoid having to equip Bond, Object of Obsession and Empathy sounds like cheating to me, and it happens WAY WAY WAY more often than stream sniping.
But hey, you wouldn't mind that kind of cheating, right?

@Crazy91Girl said:
Those 3 groups of people should be seriously get a ban.

That's your opinion, not necessarily what should be.

@Crazy91Girl said:
This game is no more fun because of those things.

That's your opinion, not necessarily what is.

@Crazy91Girl said:
And waiting time to play as a killers are insane.

Gonna have to agree with this one on a personal level: I always play my music playlist in the main menu and lobbies, and never have i had to listen to an entire song before at least 1 Survivor joins my lobby.
While an outsider, like someone reading this, might chalk it up to not enough people playing in my area at the time, i deny that theory wholeheartedly, since i've never had to wait longer than 5 minutes in my 1800 hours.

FrenziedRoach said:

From one smalltime streamer to another, do yourself a favor and take the TTV out of your name if your using it.

My life got 5X easier in this game when I took it off while playing survivor.

There are a lot of people who dislike streamers in this community for various petty and stupid reasons. If you play this to advertise your stream, you're in the wrong game - go find something else.

Not being rude - just telling the truth of the situation.

I really like the Killer Buffs. Makes a lot more fun to play weaker Killers

@Crazy91Girl said:

@SovererignKing said:
What rank Killer and what Rank Survivor?

Killer is: rank 14 i guess, Surv: rank 2 (was rank 1 but yeah...)

Whats your twitch, and what time do you usually play? 
Twitch is: twitch.tv/crazy91girl
I would like to see your gameplay of both sides before I take you opinion into consideration. 

The thing is.. I stopped play it right now, taking break from that game... Guess its best way like that.

Its quite unfun to at least camp the hook. Tunneling is a basic war strategy (so is camping but lets ignore it). You think it is done to offend you or ruin your game . It is not its so they ( the killer) has a chance of winning.

Funny fact about stream sniping apparently with killer lobbies being bugged the only game many streamers can get is with stream snipers. Talk about going from a negative to a positive. Don't get me wrong its still awful when you queue up as hag and get 4X urban evasion but its just a hilarious situation i wanted to point out.