Whats wrong with tunneling and camping?

I don't usually but this morning, whilst getting my Daily, was an exception.

Was Demogorgon running Ruin. The hex totem was in a shack so I placed a portal near it.

A few moments later the portal got broken so I headed to the shack.

Two survivors, one cleansing the totem, the other crouch body-blocking so I couldn't stop the cleanse.

Totem got cleansed, got a hit on both, managed to shortly after down the cleanser. As I pick her up...I get flashlighted by the body-blocker. Now this could be seen as simply good survivor teamwork. But I had enough of this prize joker.

I got the body-blocker and it was Camping & Tunneling to the max. Selectively, survivors deserve it.

Everyone is free to play as he/she pleases. There is NO, absolutely NO rule for Camping, tunneling etc. that would forbid it. Also as a survivor, you basically "signed up" for a game with a killer and have to accept the fact that you are in some situations at the killers's mercy.

For both circumstances it's not fun and rather boring. You make one mistake that makes you go down and now you're under the killers mercy.

For camping imagine getting DS stunned as killer and the stun lasts for 2 minutes. That's basically 2 minutes where you can't do anything and don't get to play the game. You're just on the hook until you die. Extremely boring and there's nothing you can do to counter it.

For tunnelling it's not that fun either. You get unhooked and you get downed immediatly. Maybe there's no pallets around? Maybe you don't have DS or an exhaustion perk to help you escape? Maybe the unhooker doesn't have BT? You get unhooked and go down again, you don't get to play the game.

They're good strategies depending on circumstances. Like, patrolling if all gens have been powered, there's nothing else the killer can do. Tunnelling a survivor if there's 1 gen left and you really want that kill. I see nothing wrong with that. But I've met killers (especially Doctors since they can do the Treatment grab or LF/Billy with their instadown) that down their first survivor with Ruin up and just camp them. Then by the time the first survivor has been sacrificed Ruin has probably been cleansed and they go for another surv, camp them and by the time the last gen has popped they get a third surv with NOED. They don't pip from that, they just wanna ruin peoples experience and enjoy the salt.

It’s bad because if you stumble upon survivors like me and keep chasing even though you realize over time the gens are gettin done yet you do nothing about it. You deserve the loss.

Also if a survivor is a good looper and you just followed them off the hook, what can you expect?

DS, Insta heal maybe?, wasted time as the player may be a good looper, Dead Hards a good one.

or borrowed time.

There's nothing wrong with it (as in it being against any rules and such), but at least in my eyes it's boring to all 5 players in the match.

The "victim" just... dies. DS and BT can save a match from a team vs killer perspective, but from a 1 survivor vs killer perspective all it does is prolong the inevitable if the killer really wants them. I won't get into which perspective the game should be balanced around as that's an entirely different topic, but from a personal and subjective standpoint it's perfectly understandable that this is viewed as boring and unfun.

The other survivors hold M1 if they want to punish it effectively. There's a reason even survivors often want secondary/a more fleshed out objective, because generators aren't the most exciting thing on the planet.

And if it's punished properly the killer just stands around with little interaction if they camp, and can walk away with few kills and points if they're hardcore tunneling and the survivors make sure to make it take as long as possible (do gens then save before stage transition with BT). I obviously can't speak for everyone but that's not very entertaining at all. Go all out with mori + hardcore proxy camp tunneling and the counter is basically the same as camping - just do gens, as saving them will probably make them die quicker than if they're left on the hook.

People saying something is boring or unfun isn't inherently some sort of statement on the balance or legality of camping and tunneling. It's just a pretty commonly shared opinion. People that report people or threaten people for camping/tunneling are brain rot morons, I 100% agree with that as both are explicitly legal strategies.

Tunneling is a very viable strategy. Nothing puts more pressure on survivors than reducing their number.

Also if you pressure hooks (or slug), survivors don't have time to take care of gens.

Their can be 2 instances of camping like one said previously on this forum:

1: Camping with Insidious in the basement as LeatherFace: This is just gross and boring as both party's aren't having an engaging experience since the killer will just stand their for at most 2 minitues if the survivor dies on first hook which means no chases, and when the survivors discover this they will immediately ignore the hooked person and rush generators meaning no bold or altruism points and only in objective points.

2: When the exit gates are powered/open: This can be more fair as often in this case if the killer can't properly end chases fastly or doesn't have a one shot camping can at makes more sense as they can't stop the unhooked survivor from escaping unless no one body bocks or runs Borrowed Time.

Of course tunnling and camping are strategy's in the normal sense it just comes down to personal opinions and to me the first is boring and unfun af while the second one is at least understandable.

There are dozens of past threads about this crap - every week or so someone comes by asking what's wrong with camping and tunneling. Usually it's bait.

Valid point. I also wonder how much fun can it be for the killer to stare at a hook for most of the match.

Because it's not fun for the survivor and if you're a killer who wants to kill every survivor, and moving, attacking, failing, succeeding, it's boring for the both sides.

Camping the first survivor would put you in a lose situation of getting genrushed, even with ruin, since hooking it and waiting to the sacrifice would be boring, even more if the hooked decides to screw you up and struggle till the end, then you get 3 or 4 genrush and the other 3 probably will make it.

In my personal opinion I see myself tunneling accidentally since I try to follow scratch marks and I encounter the hooked killer, in that scenario if I feel pitiful I decide to not follow them and try to find another, since it helps you with decisive strike situations and gives a breath to do some action to the survivor so they get some fun at least, however teabaggers gets no privilege >:)

To people saying basement Bubba with Insidious should not be a thing: you're right. Basement Bubba with Territorial Imperative is much better! 😂😂😂

All 5 gens can pop in about 4 minutes with optimal survivors. The only way to put a real dent in that time is to knock one survivor out early. What's the best way to knock one survivor out early when everyone runs second chance perks? Yeah.

I used to believe in being a gentleman killer, and I still do to an extent, but survivors need to understand that the killer being "the power role" only exists so far as they're actually able to control the flow of the match.

Most killers simply do not have the mobility to pReSsUrE gEnS at the rate good survivors can pop them. No killer can be everywhere at once. While this problem is most obvious at high ranks of play, it affects lower ranked play too, because the numbers might not be as extreme but the fundamental problem remains: 4 survivors, 1 killer, 7 gens.

Even the dumbest killer is eventually going to put two and two together and realize that, even if he loses points, he makes his life a lot easier by playing dirty. He's going to, you know, try to kill people.

Getting tunneled is pretty annoying - you should try getting tunneled sometime. It ends up wasting your time for no blood points or emblems because you did not get a chance to do anything.

think having kindred built in would solve alot of the camping issues. It would atleast balance out the solo survivors having no idea if they should go for the save or just stay on gens. It's not like you can communicate with them. This would deter killers from sitting at hook because it would be painfully obvious

I play both the only thing I would potentially change is make it an icon if the killers still there instead of the reading aura to atleast not give people a heads up as to WHERE hes going but just if he is or isnt there

It's bad practice for the killer. Camping and tunneling may get you a 4K at higher ranks but as you approach red ranks it becomes harder to get 4Ks because survivors are better. They become way better at looping and getting gens done. By camping and tunneling, you miss out on BPs. You allow survivors to get gens done which as killer you are suppose to prevent. In the time you were camping you, you could've been chasing and hitting/downing other survivors, regressing gens and prevent gen completion. Survivors will also DC for camping/tunneling killers which again, causes you to lose out in getting points. If you don't care about your rank or maximizing your BP then continue camping/tunneling but you're only hurting youself in both rewards and getting better at the game. The most fun I've had playing DBD is going against killers that brought no perks or addons and still got the 4K without camping or tunneling because they were REALLY good.

Nothing wrong with it at all. Down your first victim and rev your chainsaw whilst face-camping the lowly rube.

I'll decide what's fun! Good day to you, sir! HWWWWAAAAAAUUUUGHHHHRRRRRAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! *swings chainsaw*