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Adept Achievements
So hey, if you don't mind me asking, @Peanits, are reverting adept killer achievements back to what they used to be on your guys' radar? Getting adept achievements on the lower tier killers, even at green and purple ranks, has been the most unfun experience I've had yet in this game, and has actually at times made me just wanna uninstall and find a different game.
Double pipping is such an ridiculous goal to have people achieve with some of these straight up god awful killers with mediocre perks that serve no good use beyond first experiences with the game. This goal is especially obnoxious when you remember that survivors just have to escape, which is so easy in comparison. For some adept killers, I would argue for days that it is much harder to just get a 4k than to escape as a PERKLESS survivor. Another issue lies in the fact survivors currently DC a lot, leaving some matches impossible to double pip in even when I'm performing well. I just got out of an attempt at Adept Doc where two people DCed when I was doing super well, and they were omega toxic in postgame chat. Every game since then has been gens popping left and right despite my patrolling, making Gatekeeper never anything past silver.
In the current state of the game, some killers genuinely need Ruin or other slow down perks to succeed well. At the very least, they need those perks to double pip. Some adept killers just lack the tools needed to double pip unless the game is extremely lucky for you, and achievements shouldn't be about luck.
I recently went over 1k hours in this game, I care about it a lot, and its one of the few games I wanna take the time to 100% achievement wise. But until something is done about the adept killer achievements, I don't know if I've got the motivation in me to struggle through game after game of two gens popping in the first couple of minutes and survivors DCing when I perform remotely well, playing as killers I barely enjoy for the sake of achievements.
It's a shame, it's gonna annoy me seeing the progress bar be as far as it is but not climb for a while.
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@madds I have completed the killer adepts except for Demo which I have not bought yet.
I can tell you from experience you just have to keep playing and eventually you will get it done. It took me around 30 matches to get Adept Plague, but only 3 with Ghostface. It is not easy, but very satisfying when you pull it off.
For every new killer I force myself to use their perks until the achievement is done. That way it feels like an upgrade when I can finally use BBQ and the other perks I want to use.
You just need to get the right group of survivors and some luck. It is not impossible.
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Ah the joy of adept killer achievements.
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Yes I agree, killer adept archivements are the most frustrating thing to complete. Even on really low rank it can be hard with this scoring system. Most people these days know how to do gens fast, so with no gen defence it is really hard. I think it would make more sense to just get a 4k for adepts.
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Either require both roles to get a double-pip (which I think is overkill but would be fair) or let killers get the trophy with a 4k.
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I still think they should make both sides' adepts a single pip.
Make survivors have a good game rather than just hide in a bush then skulk out a gate, but lower the insane degree of perfection required for certain killers.
Some of the new killers especially have nothing going for them with a bunch or really weird perks that don't really get much done. (Dark Devotion, Furtive Chase etc)
It would normalise the achievements and be an "adept" performance, not an "absolutely flawless performace" and better yet not "slugging someone 16 times to get enough points for chases and hits because NOBODY GODDAMN CLEANSED."
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Killer Adepts should be 4 Sacrifices. This would be easier than it is now, but will not have the chance to bypass this by simply using an Ebony.
Killer Adepts are simply idiotic, because the difficulty is artificially increased by the Ranking System - not only has someone who plays Killer on Red Ranks stronger Survivors to go against, but this person also needs to do more for the Double Pip than someone in e.g. yellow Ranks.
I am not doing Killer Adepts for exactly this reason. And I cannot bother to wait a few Rank Resets to be in yellow Ranks, to try to get those Achievements.
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They need to be changed IMO. I've gotten the majority of them, but it's definitely stressful trying double pip with the killer's 3 unique perks. It should either be changed to just pip once, or get a 4K.
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They should change survivor adepts to a double pip..
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The achievements were not changed, the conditions for a merciless victory changed with the emblem system. „Merciless“ was always linked to a double pip I think (at least since Victory Cube), it was just that a 4K used to guarantee a double pip (most of the time).
Instead of changing the achievements (which they can't easily do on PS4 at least), you would have to unlink the „merciless“ etc. messages from the amount of pips you‘ve gotten.
At least that's my understanding.
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The trigger conditions were changed though, initially merciless was a 4k. Then the achievements would trigger on a 4k, even when that did not say "merciless," and the text on the achievements was incorrect.
Rather than adjust the achievement text to match the trigger, the trigger was adjusted to match the text.
All of this is irrelevant as achievements definitely CAN be changed completely, as the original adept achievements for the base game survivors and killers were "Unlock tier 1 of all their unique perks, and all 3 teachables."
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Not only that but on PS4 a disconnect counted as a sacrifice and you could get the adept that way as well....
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I finally finished mine I only had plague and spirit to do and I FINALLY got them last rank reset first time playing plague and spirit outside of red ranks. It felt good.
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I do what ColonGlock above mentions.
Another thing is timing.... Wait a couple days after a rank reset... then just keep playing that killer until you get it. Right now should be prime potato picking season.
Just make sure you play in a way that... You don't single pip... You don't want to keep ranking up.
Try to hook them all first... then go for 2nd hooks and last hook. Last thing you want to do is get yourself a white pip and make it harder.
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I usually just go into the match with the idea of hooking everyone one time first... then go for the 2nd hook on everyone... then part way through that, if I feel I can get everyone killed off on their 3rd hook cause of the pressure I got going.... I knuckle down and try hard the crap out of it... or I give up and let them all go so I don't pip.
If you don't go back to hooks and leave them right away, the survivors will keep going for saves so you'll have an idea where everyone is part way through the match.
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You don't need to kill all 4 either.. if you can get 3 dead on their 3rd hook and you got that last one hooked 2 times.. don't matter if they get out via the hatch. If you also using a one shot killer, you should just m1 them all down... don't use your one shot. If you are doing really well, you can slug a few of them to get some more quick chases emblem points in.
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I was doing a Legion daily over a month ago, and took their 3 perks just to roll the dice. Some guy totally dc'd and i got the adept anyway. I wasn't even trying for max emblems.
Rank reset took me back to yellow ranks, so I'm gonna try Pig and Hag tonight.
Would a pink mori hurt or help adept pig? I mean i wouldn't be playing with my food as much?
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Ya sounds about right. Well if i botch this 2 or 3x, I'll bring a mori just to vent. I've never seen pig's mori. Hope it's ehh saw related.
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Actually, @53nation @TheBean, from my experience, bringing an Ebony can help greatly in getting a double pip if you use it on a survivor's death hook to max out your sacrifice points quicker in the event that survivors either DC or rush the gens too hard preventing you from easily getting a 4k.
Also, as for everyone above, I'm glad I'm mostly not alone in my frustrations with adept. Hopefully the devs pay attention to stuff like this and tone the requirements down a bit.
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You're not going to get a response to this from @Peanits or any other Behaviour employee. They never provide any substantive answer or timeline for a solution, for any quality of life concern like this.
At best, expect a "well we've got to prioritize, I'll bring it up!" response.
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There are methods for the madness of adept killer achievements. I have been busting a few of them out since rank reset. Gotta day, most frustrating one so far isn’t even an adept trophy- it’s been myers 4k. I’ve played 4 games where I kill 3 and the 4th hides in a locker the whole game to avoid being killed to be a douchebag. I’m still working at it but should have had it 20 games ago.
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Until Rank Reset, I have no desire to attempt Adept Killer Trophies...there's no joy in it when at higher Ranks/Skill levels I def need certain Perks. I can see myself maybe getting this as Spirit & Ghost Face as is...but so many others...agaisnt competent Survivors that aren't potatoes, or worse, agaisnt some/all coordinated teams? Bleh, no thanks...Ive done 4k games, kept Gens low, never camped etc..and the game's crappy Emblem System decides Ruthless with a pixel fart away from Merciless....
I so hate how inconsistent the requirements are between Survivor and Killer...
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I only attempt adept killer achievements after rank reset. Im not good enough at killer to get a double pip on killers I dont frequently play.
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I don't allow myself to Prestige unless I get their adepts...
...but yeah, this is the case. I never thought I'd get Nurse's adept, nevermind old Freddy's, but got both. It's possible, but just takes time.
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@madds Mori's hurt your emblem points.
You only get points towards emblems when you down and hook survivors and kill them on the hook. You don't get those hook emblem points when you mori them.
The two categories.. Malicious and Devout... In Malicious you get 2 points in that category for each change in hook state.
In Devout you get points for each hook and sacrifice on the hook. You also get a point for hooking all the survivors 3 times each.
The toughest one to get is your Gatekeeper... You don't have much control on this emblem since it is really dependent on the group of survivors you get.
Chaser is easy to get when you got a M1 killer, but if you are using one shots, you still need to make sure you win enough chases, that is where slugging comes in.
Using a mori makes it harder to max out your emblems which you need to do to make getting the Adepts easier.
but to each their own... I find when I put out a Mori, survivors try harder, and usually will rush the gens on you if they can.
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Do you know how impossible it is to double pip as survivor? It’s pretty tough and pretty much happens 1 in 300 hours.
They should honestly change it to one pip with their 3 unique perks for both killer and survivor.
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