Since DS got nerfed, it shouldn't be countered by slugging.

I just can join all the opinions here. If the killer stares at you for 60 seconds, you should be happy that the killer is having a stupid selfchosen bad time. If other survivors recognize you are slug-camped and just wait instead of going to a gen, it is a bad team. If you don't like being slugged, this is, sorry, your problem. Both cases that are not the perks problem.

And what would be the situation if you pause the timer on being slugged? Free 60 seconds working on gens, no matter what the killer does. So everyone could run DS and 3 gens are done without the killer being able to avoid that. Running DS, No Mither and unbreakable would be the new meta. You running towards a gen? Killer can down youm the timer is paused. You get up again quickly with unbreakable, as often as you want with no mither. As soon as you are up, the timer goes on and you can work on the gen again. Only possibility for the killer, slug you again. Every 15 seconds, not being able to do anything else, as you cannot do anything within 15 seconds. Or just let you work on the gen for the remaining time. This times 4.

Or: just eat the DS of course. But to be honest, the number 1 argument on most srvivor posts is counterplay. This argument nerfs and destroys killers since the beginning. So you should eat this killer counterplay, or suggest something else as a valid counterplay to DS.

DS used to start out active and the obsession would get the skill check after probably a second of being carried and non-obsession players could wiggle to 45% (maybe 35%, not exactly sure) and get the skill check. It would deactivate after use and it stunned for three seconds, enduring worked on it.

The only counter it had was dropping someone and picking them up repeatedly while slowly bringing them to a hook but body blocking countered the counter and you actually wasted more time using the counter than taking the stun.

unpopular opinion I guess ,but the new DS is fine. 60 seconds is plenty of time for you to recover and if a teammate doesn’t get you up well I guess start running unbreakable if it’s happening that often?

If killer camps the slug for 60 seconds that should be game lost for killer if survivors are half decent.

What I personally do is jump into locker and force them to eat the DS or wait till timer runs out.

DS is the counter to tunneling; slugging is the counter to DS; lockers are the counter to slugging. This is, as Dead by Daylight goes, is a healthy string of counterplay options.

OP, you just don't like being slugged, and think that the killer should be forced to eat your freebie stun 100% of the time, and seem to be unwilling to accept the upside that the killer waiting out the slug means more breathing room for your teammates to do gens.

Too many survivor players seem to think about these kinds of things in a selfish, individual way instead of putting it in terms of the net gain/loss for the full group, as they should. If you bleed out and the other three survivors pop gens and escape, that was a win. It doesn't matter one bit what happened to you, it matters what happened to everyone collectively.

Ah yes, remove the only counterplay to DS. Just either bring Unbreakable or crawl away

You've got to be careful about the balance though.

It doesn't JUST affect slugging to wait it out, it also means if you get unhooked with a gate open, you are just GUARANTEED an escape because there's no way to down someone in that case without being stabbed, or you wait 60 seconds to down and they're already out the gate.

As much as people will be like "I am entitled to escape just for bringing a perk!" it would be an incredibly unbalanced situation. As both sides you are always meant to have a potential chance to succeed, and this simply removes it for the killer.

Also if a killer is slugging out your timer, either they're standing on top of you doing nothing and 3 gens get 75% completed, or they're leaving you on the ground to do other stuff and you have a chance to be healed up, either way it's a net gain for your team. A perk should not coddle you as hard as being impossible to counterplay besides just NEVER downing anyone within 60 seconds.

Spoken like a true anarchist. High five brotha!

*Cough* Ds should deactivate instantly when Killer hooks another survivor while you still have ds active.

Then DS should either deactivate if you hook another player, or if that player jumps into a locker. You're literally asking for a perk with a tiny bit of counterplay to have less counterplay.

I've said it once, I'll say it again:

DS SHOULD DEACTIVATE WHEN:

• You enter a locker (You would only do this if you felt like you had lost the killer, and now going to stealth away)
• Another survivor was hooked (If another survivor is hooked and YOU still got use DS you made a TERRIBLE save and deserve to die)
• You start working on a gen (You obviously feel safe enough that you're not being tunneled and have lost the killer)
• You are healed to full health. (You were not being tunneled if you were healed to full health, especially after insta-heals are changed).

If all of these instances were implemented, then I would be totally fine with the 60 second timer. If not, then that timer needs to be significantly shorter.

I slug and leave. If you take it, YOU are the one taking time off. If you slug and leave, then thats a survivor who is not doing a gen, and possibly another who is leaving a gen to come heal them. If you stupidly take the DS then you're stunned, you have not delayed the survivors at all, and now are back into a chase.

To be a true anti-tunnel perk, you should lose DS when:

1. The survivor is fully healed.
2. The survivor interacts with a generator or locker.
3. Healed from the dying state.
4. Another survivor is hooked.

For the first, if the survivor is fully healed, they now have the same amount of hits that DS would afford them. You no longer need it.

For the second, if a survivor decides to start working on objectives or focusing on hiding instead of looking for help, you no longer need it.

For the third, if you were left n the ground and the killer left long enough to let you be healed from the dying state, you now have the same amount hits that DS would afford you. You no longer need it.

For the fourth, if another survivor is hooked before you are, you weren't tunneled so you no longer need the anti-tunneling effect.

Eating the decisive early game is better

Maybe ds should work like an exhaustion perk. Or maybe like adrenaline where it exhausts you after you use it but it works if you're already exhausted.

I'm ok with that.

But once you fully heal or you start touching a generator again you can't call tunneling

Slug you the timer doesn't go down but if you start actively making progress to the objective it should deactivate decisive strike because you're not being tunnel that stage

This is why I run DS and Head On. If they wait out my DS, I can still use head on; only if I manage to make it to a locker though.

The only people complaining about DS Timers are survivor mains that are salty that some people KNOW the counter. You know how long it took for me to understand DS as a Killer Main?! A LONG TIME! Actually, I didn't fully get how it worked till I got the perk for myself when I played with family! If you don't like being slugged by a killer that has a brain and understands the fact that its possible that you MAY have DS then just switch your perk. There's other options.