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Is thanatophobia useful with legion?
I was thinking of doing a slow healing/gen build with legion that included a nurses calling, hex ruin, and sloppy butcher. But I'm having trouble deciding between thanatophobia and dying light as the fourth perk. What do you guys think?
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Hmm, well i'd say Thana. Just cause if you have NC you want them to feel the need to heal.
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NO! Do not use thana it's pretty bad. Use dying light it's much better.
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In combination with duration addons, sloppy and nurses it's pretty lit.
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Take ruin off now you can use both since ruin is highly unreliable
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If you're using your Feral Frenzy for multiple hits, I see no reason to not use Thana to buy back some of the time your wasting chasing multiple targets around with each Feral Frenzy.
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I don't use either on my Legion build.
But when I did, it was Sloppy, Thana, Dying light, and NC.
But out of the two, I'd say Thana cause you want them to feel the need to heal so that Nurse's will show you the aura. If you just have Dying, then they only have the negative if they get hooked.
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Well it doesn't seem like people know who trash thana is.
Thana ---> 4% per injured/hooked/downed, max of 16%
Sounds good but if you do the math, having all survivors injured/hooked/downed will increase:
Generator times by 12.8 seconds
Healing times by 3 seconds ( with sloppy )
And that's with them all injured/hooked/downed with tbh isn't going to be much of the game.
Please don't use thana it saves next to no time, use pop or BBQ.
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Thanatophobia’s not good on anyone, don’t use it. Very weak perk numerically, you’re better off using that slot for something else.
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*laughs in slowdown Plague*
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*laughs at wasting a perk slot*
TheRoyalOwl knows what they’re talking about.
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Would Coulrophobia fit into this build better?
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Thanataphobia is an unfortunately weak perk, but if anyone gets use out of it, it's definitely Legion. I ran it on them for a while on top of Ruin, just for that extra boost while I got used to them after their rework. If you can make it work, go for it!
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Use Monitor and Abuse with NC, otherwise, people aren't gonna heal in your TR if they aren't stupid. Thana is better than Sloppy Butcher on Legion, because they can't completely ignore it by not just healing and Adrenaline rush you.
But Legion is trash no matter what are you using on him.
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Don't listen to these people. Follow where your heart leads. 💖
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With M1 killers, I recommend using Enduring + Spirit Fury. If you're up against good survivors, those perks will be more helpful.
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The only killer I would recommend (if you have nothing better to use ) thana to is plague because survivors THINK they are wasting time bc of thana and cleanse.
Thana doesn't work on other killer bc its numbers are awful and people heal regardless of you using thana or not.
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Not true. I Red Rank as Legion alot. They are crippled and need buffs, but don't just call them trash. Thank you.
If you want to know my build that I use when I am being serious as Legion is
STBFL+ Corrupt+ Thrilling+ Surge
It tends to work rather well.
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Maybe thanato + Sloppy + Dying light.
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Thana works when no one heals. Legion and Plague are the only two killers no one bothers to heal against, so use it!
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A decent survivor wouldnt clease against plague anyway.
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Yeah well playing solo eliminates that counter play.
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At higher ranks survivors usually dont cleanse
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Please whatever you think that thana might do, stop deluding yourself. No good survivor gives a flyin f* about thana.
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Not dis-agreeing with you, but wouldn't healing times be increased by 5.76 seconds if using sloppy (20% reduced) and max thanataphobia (16% reduced) to a total of 21.76 seconds (16 seconds to heal plus 16(36%) ).
Pop Goes the weasel is a guaranteed 20 second gain which is way better especially since you control when you use it.
Dying light IMO is also weak for the same reason as Thanataphobia. At 6 tokens (any more tokens and it means someone is dead... which likely means you are probably winning) it reduces action speed by 18%. which amounts to 14.4 seconds extra for a gen repair. As well as 8.64 seconds for a heal assuming max thanataphobia and sloppy as well. (16 seconds plus 16(54%) )
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Yeah thats bs whenever I play at rank 1-4 there always one person who cleanses.
Heck the last time I played plague someone cleansed right after being infected.
So whether of not I decid to cleanse it usually doesn't matter when someone else cleanses first because being broken while she has corrupt is a death wish.
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@Robin1101 a sloppy heal is 19.2 seconds until they changed it so it's only a 3 second change.
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Personally, when I go for Slowdown, I run:
Dying Light
Thana
Sloppy
PGTW
Filthy Blade or Nasty Blade (whatever I have)
Does not work too bad, but games tend to be quite long with that.
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I thought you were factoring sloppy and thanatphobia together? So wouldn't it be 5.76 seconds? Also my original comment up and disappeared for some reason...
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No just factoring in sloppy to show that even with sloppy the the added seconds are trash
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Ah, ok. Yeah, basically: sloppy butcher, thanataphobia and IMO dying light aren't good because they're affect is too minimal.
Just use Pop goes the weasel guys.
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Wasting a perk slot? So a possible 40% reduction to repair and healing speed is bad? You don’t even need to get all of the stacks for Dying Light or Thana to make slowdown Plague scary. Survivors will have to choose between not cleansing and dealing with longer repair times or cleansing to remove Thana but having to deal with a 115% ranged Killer.
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Id remove sloppy for something else, because it gives people the incentive to not heal even more since heals take much longer with it
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It's really not worth it by itself. Only use it in combination with Dying Light which even then I still wouldn't recommend since Legion struggles with getting downs.
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Go ahead and keep Dying Light if you want but you’re better off taking a perk that helps in a chase like STBFL, Enduring+Spirit Fury.
Plagues still a M1 killer if people don’t cleanse, if you don’t end chases quickly you’ll still get gen rushed no matter how much you slow the game down.
Like someone said earlier, good survivors don’t care about thanatophobia at all. It’s a weak perk.
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You literally cry for buffs to Legion even on threads that are not related to him, so my point still stands.
After all, I never said you can't win with Legion at red ranks, you can do it with any killer, so that doesn't make them any better to me.
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Thanta can be useful on Legion, depending on what addons your bringing and your ability to keep everyone injured and mending.
Sloppy Butcher and Nurses are simply must have either one to be paired with thanta to help with anti-heals.
In context of the build your think of or using? I would say that the dying light could work depending on what addons your using. If your using one of the knifes + a duration addon then i say go for thanta, though i would recommend brining Monitor to make use of nurses, most survivors wont heal in your terror radius if you got sloppy.
Take what me and others are saying with grain of salt and try thanta out with other perks and see what you like.
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It’s absolutely a waste of a perk slot. Go ahead and keep Dying Light but drop Thanat man. You’re better off using something that helps in a chase. Enduring + Spirit Fury, STBFL, PWYF.
If survivors don’t cleanse Plague’s still an M1 killer that can be looped for days. It wont matter how much you slow the game for.
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You realize most of the time I do *Cries in Legion main* as a joke right?
I also don't know what your point was, so... Oh that Legion is trash. They arn't trash, just over nerfed. Trash implies that they are worthless. That, they are not. I always have a fun game as Legion. So, Bad? Yes, they need alot of help. Trash? No.
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With sloppy, Yes. Without sloppy, No.
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Thanatophobia is only of those perks that Legion seems to mesh well with, but since Legion is such a neutered character, it's hard to see them as a threat even if they maximize its use. It's like Save the Best for Last, or Play with your Food on Legion - in theory, it would make them threatening, and it does work with their power somewhat, but the power itself is so awful you can't help but feel on the back foot no matter how many hits you spread with it.
The only perk I'd think is baseline "Required" on Legion (besides Ruin or Corrupt Intervention because lol m1 killer) is Unyielding, because it lets you mitigate the god-awful long stun time of Feral Frenzy by baiting a survivor to Pallet slam you. Instead of a 4 second stun, you suffer a 1 second pallet stun, increasing your chase potential by quite a bit.
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Only Plague with Dying Light.
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Yeah, I don't know what the Devs were thinking when they nerf'ed Legion into the ground and never did anything else with them. Add-ons and power all work against you now it feels.
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I do pretty good with BBQ / PGTW / Enduring / Spirit fury.
I tried also BBQ / PGTW / Tana / SB and it was ok, but compared to the previous build i just mention its a meme build.
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Absolutely! Legions main power is to keep the survivors injured so having a perk that slowns actions down when they are injured is a must have. I pair it with sloppy and dying light and its a really dirty build on legion
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Well, if you're able to consistently keep people injured (which legion and Plague are good at) then yeah, Thanata can be good. You could trade ruin for Dying Light, because both perks are unreliable at the moment.
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