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Matchmaking change?
This is a screenshot from my GFs account. Isnt matchmaking suppose to pair survivors up so in instances of SWF groups, the best ranked survivor's rank is the one that matters? This match was found almost instantly, and is abit of a cluster of ranks. Did they change it so its based off average rank of survivors instead of the top ranked survivor now?
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Honestly I think that the highest rank survivor thing probably hurt FAR MORE than it helped, so they probably reverted the change. I kinda expected that a change like that would be bad for the game personally.
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If I'd have to guess, I'd say the rank 16 came in with one of the other survivors in swf. Also Currently (on PS4 at least) there is a dirth of high rank killers, I think I'm rank 8 or 9 right now and it's typically pairing me with 5-7 rank survivors.
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Remember that you can still be matched with Survivors up with a difference in ranks up to six. This is still within the parameters of being matched against the highest ranked Survivor in the SWF.
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I figured it would only actually GET to that far of a lvl difference after its been searching for awhile. This lot was picked up within a minute.
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They might have been searching for a while or were already in a lobby that a previous killer had left.
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Survivor groups who have been in Que for a while will pretty much get priority for a lobby. Even if its at the max 6 level cap. It doesnt really mean much if you been waiting less than a minute as killer or not. I always dread getting close to that rank 10 "half" Mark because you pretty much are in that window to be paired with the entirety of purple ranks and also the red ranked (4s)
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it did, i hope they do truly revert it because i cant play with any of my new friends and im tired of other swf bringing rank 19s into red rank games
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(then don't play with ur low rank friends to bully lower killers 4head)
I liked the change, i hope they don't reverted it.
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The only people who would like that change are people who want easy wins, honestly. A rank 19 survivor is going to die on the hook every time against a red rank killer no matter how hard the red ranked survivor tries to save them. They don't know how to play the game. That change honestly is very bad for the game because it's gonna run newer players away from the game even more than before. It's bad enough rank 20 killers don't let rank 20 survivors even play the game when they catch them, but rank 1 killers completely demolishing any potential confidence a brand new survivor had over and over again will probably make them not even feel like trying. I mean already currently the only new people who stick with survivor are people with nerves of steel. There's no telling how many miserable games I had when I was new before I finally started doing well(mainly because of the camping and getting found first every other game), and then when I started doing well, I got into the games where tunneling became a thing and had to get new perks. I actually didn't even get DS unlocked until rank 10 or so because I didn't think I needed it, then I hit rank 10 and it became an absolute necessity and still is a necessity even in purple ranks. Newer survivors shouldn't be subjected to two completely different demoralizing forms of punishment. Anyone that stays with the game will either become a killer or be extremely masochistic.
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So new survivor players should have a good experience right? How bout solo queue? I know, learning dbd can be frustrating for both sides, experienced it like you.
But the point is, the experiences of many mid rank killers between rank 15 and rank 5 showed us, that red rank survivors completely destroy mid rank killers. Now the tide has turned. Even in a swf red rank survivors face a red rank killer. They need to learn to play with other red ranks or even solo queue instead of purposely trying to get easier matches with their low rank friends. "But i just want to play with my friends bruh!". Go kyf then.
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All of the survivors are within 6 ranks of the killer, so even if some were playing together this is normal. They would announce if it were reverted.
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I honestly don't see why ANYONE would play KYF. I sure wouldn't, even if I had 5 friends who wanted to play. There is no point to playing KYF, unless you literally have nothing but time. You get nothing out of it.
As for newer survivors having a good experience, again, going solo in lower ranks is terrible. A rank 20 killer FAR OUTCLASSES a rank 20 survivor to the point where 4ks are easy AF. I've experienced it playing killer without camping, but most killers at that rank DO camp, making it even worse, especially because as a rank 20 survivor, you see a person on the hook and you want to make sure they get out. There's nothing but 4ks in rank 20. Do you think people in those ranks SWF just to bully the killer too? No, they do it to even stand a chance.
I've also played vs these red ranked survivors who got in groups with me when I was a mid rank killer. Sure, it wasn't fun, but I still got several hooks and at least one or two of them dead. The red ranked survivors were asses, but it didn't break me and I usually still did fine, and even got them on the hook a few times due to their cockiness. The only way a survivor who is low rank survivor will do well vs a killer who is red rank will be for them to literally be on gens while the red rank survivor runs them around. This teaches them absolutely nothing. The killer however can easily choose to ignore the red ranked survivor and go for the weaker ones, as I did when I had red ranked survivors in my games. Oh and, not every one of them was even in a SWF when I messaged them. There were times where I got a red rank who was entirely solo. Assuming it's a SWF isn't always correct. DBD's matchmaking is terrible.
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1. I play KYF with my friends pretty regularily, i love the mode, no problems with it. Imagine playing dbd for fun lol.
2. I think i wrote that the experience for low ranks is not good.
3. Wanna quote u "Sure, it wasn't fun". Back in the days as i was a innocent rank 12 killer i got stomped every second match by some red ranks queueing with their friend. And yes it wasn't fun. So i lile the change.
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By "Sure, it wasn't fun", I meant when I was actively chasing the red ranker. The others were fine. The red ranker was obnoxious. I could easily go after the weaker prey and they weren't nearly as powerful. And this wasn't even at rank 12, more like rank 15-16.
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Red ranks did pallet saves, flashlight saves, infinite plays and gens through ruin. One red rank is worth four yellow ranks. That's why the change was needed. You go after weaker prey, knowing you'll never be able to kill the good survivor, because the matchmaking decided it's fair. Not cool. And not dodgeable with private profiles.
The new mm change can be easily dodged. Don't swf with low ranks.
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They can't flashlight save if you're facing a wall, structure,etc. They can't pallet save if you don't pick them up near a pallet, or chase anyone off who is near you. I learned this THROUGH those types of matches. You go after weaker prey because you can't kill the good survivor, sure, this also actually gives the newer survivors actual chase experience without being up against something they cannot handle, and gives you experience as a killer that is desperately needed, assuming you're not playing like a dick to begin with.
The new MM change makes potentially multiple low rank survivors against a red rank killer. So are you saying the killer's fun is more important than the low rank survivors? Because if there are two then you're saying that one person is more important than the other two. It cheapens the win for the killer, and puts newer survivors up against something they cannot compete with. How is it even fun to hit survivors who just basically give you the hook?
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The new MM change makes potentially multiple low rank survivors against a red rank killer.
The is entirely the choice of their red ranked SWF member, the match was ruined by that choice, not the killer.
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The things you mentioned above. I didn't knew the counters to all of those things as i hit rank 12 for the first time. And normally you learn those things as you get higher into purple and red ranks. Learning this the hard way, because you are forced to face red rank survivors in green ranks is not a solution in my opinion.
That's it. As a green rank killer you can't decide if you want to go against a swf with some red ranks. But as a swf member you can decide if you want to play with higher/lower ranks, knowing how you'll get matched. You are not forced.
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I mean if you learn it early you get better on your own. Besides it only takes it happening one or two times to realize the counterplay. It's not like it's something that only an extremely refined intellectual could understand. If you get hit with a flashlight, face a wall so you can't be, it's kind of common sense. If you get hit with a pallet, there had to be another survivor there, again common sense.
Saying that the red ranked SWF member was the one who chose to face a red ranked killer is silly. It wasn't the red ranker's choice, it was the choice of all the people complaining that rank 20s should be facing red rankers if they have even one red ranker in the lobby, because somehow those rank 20s who don't know where is what or how to loop become godlike when a red ranker is in the lobby. While I did originally think this should be the case, I now disagree, because I've seen how terrible it makes matchmaking, and how easy those games are. It ruins the integrity. If you're a killer, you can choose to ignore the red ranker until last, and if you manage to kill the newbies before the gens are done, the red ranker is all that's left, it's now a 60/40 chance of you winning because you're faster, meaning the hatch is more than likely going to be found by you, or already has been, as you travel the map far more than survivors do. Bonus points if you're Wraith, because then this is all but guaranteed due to you moving at light speed. Newbie killers just had a grudge against the red ranker for being in their lobby that they focused solely on them. I still managed to win games against red rankers, because I still had a shot at 3 other people. Newbie survivors only have a shot if the red ranker is running the killer around, and the killer has the choice of picking which survivors to chase and which not to. 9 times out of 10 the red ranker won't do gens either, because they want to save their friends. This makes them try to follow you around. You shouldn't be handed an easy win just because it's SWF. I don't even see how this would be considered fun. You're basically just doing gens at that point as a killer.
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Wanna quote you again: "You shouldn't be handed an easy win just because it's an Swf."
Your argumentation is: "You should be handed an easy win IF you are in a Swf."
The only difference between this two possibilities is, that in case one, what's currently the case, the swf players decide for themselves if they wanna go in a very difficult, possibly unfair match. In case two the swf players decide to go in a very easy, possibly unfair match.
The decision is not the killers one, it's the swf players one, if they wanna queue up like this. It's very frustrating for a killer when he is unable to catch a survivor ever. The killer is not some AI.
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Seriously? This rank difference is nuts.
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How will it be "very easy" if you have a bunch of bad survivors with ONE good rank survivor. Just let the good survivor waste their time trying to bully you while you run down the others. It's still not super hard as long as you realize that survivor is just too good. In the best case scenario there'd be no skill difference, but at some point there will be. That said, a rank 20 survivor, who already has it bad in matches solo, should not be forced to also have matches that they die super easily in SWF because their friend might be too high rank for them. They're not signing up for an easy match, they're signing up for a chance.
A low rank killer BEFORE, always had easy matches EXCEPT for those games. Low rank survivors are potatoes. There is no difficulty as a low rank killer. Low rank survivor on the other hand is hell because of the attitude of the low rank killers. You're basically saying all rank 20 survivors should ALWAYS pretty much have terrible games and low rank killers should ALWAYS have easy games. It should be split or averaged.
If the killer cannot catch a low rank survivor ever, then that is his bad, not the fact they're in a SWF.
I've had a lot of survivor games where I was the last one alive and only got out because of hatch(or died) due to my team being a group of rank 20s when I wasn't in a SWF. It's still possible to get kills.
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You are still saying they are forced. So you didn't understood my point at all.
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