Which killer/survivor perk do you think is in need of a buff?

I think rework would be more of an appropriate term as many perks are just straight up terrible and a buff wouldn't fix em here's some random examples I came up with.

Monsterious Shrine: Only usable with Iron Grips and Adgitation which both aren't that great to begin with otherwise terrible perk at the moment, perhaps a new effect could be added or increase the debuffs to survivors on the basement hooks.

Beast of Prey: The fact this only actives after getting Bloodlust negates the possible mindgames as that point unless your looping the survivor at a los loop they will still be able to look behind and see you coming at them, I'm not sure how they could improve it currently maybe make it activiable after getting Bloodlust? Otherwise I think it just needs a rework as it also doesn't fit Huntress's playstyle.

Overcharge/Pog Goes The Weasel: I lump these both in as they do the same thing Ruin does but worse which is stalling the game out, let's not forget you have to waste time kicking a gen, is even worse with PGTW as you only have at most 30 seconds to find a gen which means not chasing anyone during that period of time. The worst part for both of these is they are completely negated by a survivor just tapping a gen to cancle out the effect, perhaps they could make it so you have to actually hold the repair action to cancle out OC or PGTW for like 5 seconds.

Edit: Ok ignore what I said about PGTW as I was a [BAD WORD] and forgot it was buffed thanks to the lovely people here who reminded me.

Not to say PGTW is terrible I'll admit is good and better on some killers then others (I personally prefer Ruin but I understand why some think is good), my issue along with OC which is why I lump them in together is that any survivor can easily negate the effect by just gen tapping, is why I suggested that it should only stop after you start working on a gen for 5 seconds rather then just poking it.

I think everyone could agree that monstrous shrine is in the running for most unused perk going. They could increase the existing values, or even make the rescue time longer

Gen tapping doesn't negate the 25% though, and that instant regression is why Pop is so strong. Miles better than Overcharge.

Alright my mistake, haven't played in couple months but it is nice to know PGTW was made actually useful

all hex totem perks. I'm getting tired of wanting too use a hex totem only too have a survivor spawn on it and destroy it within 10 seconds of the match. This is completely unfair and has no reason too still be in the game.

I'm gonna have to agree with OP. It also doesn't matter how many nerfs and buffs are issued, there will ALWAYS be a meta. Even if said meta perk is just a wee biit better. For sake of argument let's say Spirit and Nurse are nerfed more, they will still be #1 and #2 (unless butchered) but just harder to use effectively so you'd still see them at high tiers of play. But if you were to buff other killers and non meta perks, you'd see much more diversity and different builds which is what red ranks need tbh. A breath of fresh air.

No matter how much nerfing you do, all perks and killers won't be equal. If you do buffing, killers could be much more inline and you'd see much more variety at high tiers of play. I'm pretty sure some people just play Nurse and Spirit just to win, but if you buff other killers then people could play with other killers based more so on their playstyle and design (same with perks) therefore everyone is happy. You probably wouldn't even see Nurse or Spirit often if Wraith or Doctor could potentially handle a death squad.

Predator, just not enough of an effect to be worth running.

Vigil, same as the above.

Thanatophobia I can’t believe people run this, one of the weakest killer perks in the game. Buff values very slightly.

Overwhelming Presence, rework entirely. Just useless.

Fire up, rework or buff so it’s worth using ever.

Autodidact, rework.

Buckle Up, rework, totally useless atm.

Many perks need to be buffed, and many of them can in very simple ways. Survivor perks should be around botany power level or higher. That is to say: useful, but not game-warpingly powerful. If it is game-warpingly powerful, it needs to be a counter to certain "less admirable" strategies such as camping and tunelling. Here's a list of survivor perk buffs I would make that I compiled with a friend. (This doesn't include all bad survivor perks, as some of them we were quite conflicted on.)

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SURVIVORS PERKS:

No One Left Behind: Gain 50/75/100% bonus bloodpoints for actions I'm the Altruism category. Gain a token for each completed heal, safe unhook, or protection hit (up to 4 tokens). Each token increases the speed of altruistic actions by 4%. [While increasing altruistic action speed end-game is a cool idea, we felt that having it increase in power the longer the game goes makes it more flexible and useful. And who doesn't love bloodpoints? This also promotes survivors to not sit on gens, as they would be getting points from healing, so this is good for killers as well]

This Is Not Happening: Great Skill Checks are 10/20/30% bigger when injured, exposed, or in the killer's terror-radius. [Having to be injured is cool, but it's too niche. Including the exposed effect and in terror radius as alternative conditions also fits the feel the perk is going for (Which is working on gens while panicked, and in a dangerous situation)]

No Mither: Grunts are reduced by 50/75/100% while injured. You do not spawn pools of blood while injured. Grants the ability to fully recover from the dying state. Upon becomimg injured, you gain the broken status effect. The status effect is hidden from the killer. You gain 50/75/100% bonus points in the survival category. [I think this is honestly a no brainer. Starting in the injured state and showing the broken effect is too much of a give away, to make it viable, and if this is supposed to be a hardmode perk, it absolutely needs to have extra bloodpoint gain of some kind as a reward.]

Deja Vu: All generator auras are shown for 40/50/60 seconds at the start of the trial and after a gen is completed. Generators that are being worked on while Deja Vu is active become highlighted in white. [This makes it like a reverse Better Together, and promotes objective completion, while not directly increasing the speed of repairs.]

Up the Ante: For every injured, downed, hooked, or dead survivor, gain 2/3/4% increased healing, sabotaging, and gate opening speed for all remaining survivors. [This is the counterplay to Thanatophobia that we feel is needed in the game, while not making Thanatophobia useless.]

Open-Handed: Increases range of aura reading for all survivors by 10/20/30 meters. Auras last 5 seconds longer.

Saboteur: Sabotage hooks at 25/50/75% speed without a toolbox. Hooks stay sabotaged for 30 more seconds. 20% increased effeciency at sabotaging with a toolbox.

Buckle-Up: Recovery progress of dying survivors can be determined by the intensity of their auras up to 128 meters. When put in the dying state, all other survivors can see your recovery progress by the intensity of your aura. After healing someone from the dying state or being healed from the dying state, all survivors who participated in the action see the killer's aura for 4 seconds.

Flip-Flop: While in the dying state, 100% of your recovery progress is converted to wiggle progress. This perk deactivates upon stunning the killer by wiggling-off. [Currently, it's an anti-slug perk; however, it's too weak. Making it a much stronger, but 1-time use perk makes it feel more powerful and fun, while still being niche.]

Hope: When a gen is completed, gain a 2/3/4% haste effect for 10 seconds. When exit gates are powered gain a permanent 4/5/6% haste effect. [Don't like NoED but are too lazy to do totems (or playing solo)? Well have we got a perk for you! With this haste effect, you shouldn't be getting hit at all!]

Wake Up: Every 30 seconds the perk will activate, cleansing you of Hemorrhage, Blindness, Mangled, Hindered, Cursed (Cursed = Hex perks. This doesn't affect ruin, as that is reapplied upon every skill check.), and wakes you up. You are immune for 1 second to these affects after being cleansed.[We decided that it would be better to just scrap its old effect as the gate opening speed would either do nothing, or feel bad to play against. We preferred to give it the flavor of waking up from microsleeps like in the movies (those microsleeps being translated into certain status effects).

Vigil: You and all allies within 8 meters recover from the exhaustion and exposed status effects 100% faster. Effect persists for 15 seconds upon exiting the range.

Calm Spirit: You overcome the urge to scream. You do not scare crows. Your breathing and footsteps are 50/75/100% quieter.

Technician: Reduce gen repair noise by 10 meters. Upon failing a skill check, a second skill check appears. If you succeed in hitting the second skill check, the generator does not blow up. [This makes the perk less rng, and more about allowing survivors to get good at skill checks, rather than sometimes not being punished for missing one]

Autodidact: Now works with medkits. Starts at a -15% progress penalty instead of -25%. You have a 15% increased chance of triggering a skillcheck while healing others.[(The description is too long for such small changes, and as such, I didn't write it out.) It shouldn't take 3 skill checks to then finally get a benefit out of this perk. Healing is already time not spent on gens. The downside is too harsh to make the stacking worth it. This also gives a use to all the "increased skill check odds" add-ons for medkits.]

Pharmacy: You search chests 50/75/100% quieter and faster. Every chest searched yields an emergency med-kit. [I don't see why this perk only works once. If this is supposed to be an alternative to perks like self-care and botany knowledge, it needs to be more consistent. Making every chest be a green medkit allows you to always have a medkit at the ready, and because you need to search chests instead of doing gens, it is completely fair.]

Solidarity: Works with medkits. [This is probably the only change the perk needs. You could increase the conversion rate, but that might push it over the edge by shaving off too much time from healing.]

Poised: After a gen is completed, you leave no scratch marks for 6/8/10 seconds. If you completed the generator, you also gain a 2% haste effect (this stacks with the hope haste effect) for 6/8/10 seconds.

Resilience: When injured, exposed, or in terror radius, increase action speed by 3/6/9%. [This honestly might make the perk too strong at red ranks, but the percentage might be too small, and promotes aggressive play rather than hiding.]

Comraderie: While on hook, push the active ability button to pause the hook timer for 20/25/30 seconds. The perk can only be used once.

Kindred: (Make current kindred base.) Upon reuniting with a survivor, see their aura up to 128 meters away for 15/30/45 seconds. The timer does not deplete until you are 16 meters away, and is refreshed upon reuniting once again. [Current Kindred should be added if they ever nerf survivors again, as solo survivors should be buffed to have the same info as SWFs if they wish to balance the game around SWFs. This new idea gives a fun mini-game of refreshing it by regrouping with fellow survivors and promotes cooperative play.

Lightweight: Your scratch marks disappear 1/2/3 seconds faster and you slow vault 20% faster. [This cements the perk something for stealthier survivors while adding another use.]

Breakdown: Upon unhooking yourself or another survivor, or being unhooked, the hook is immediately sabotaged.

Stakeout: Being in terror radius or looking at the killer gives you a token, up to 6/8/10. Upon hitting a good skill check, a token is consumed, and the good skill check becomes a great. [Stakeout is fun to use, but it doesn't have a high enough maximum, and is countered by stealth killers or being on a large map. Adding the "looking at the killer" option allows you to continue to use the perk, but requires more aggressive and dynamic positioning.]

Aftercare: Remove the downside from being hooked. [This would make it a viable alternative to Empathy and Bond, as it's more powerful, but you have to work for it.]

Better Together: Increase generator aura from 32 to 64 meters. [Currently lackluster, but increasing the range to be larger than a terror radius will actually give survivors information.]

Distortion: Increase stacks from 3 to 5. [It's an interesting niche, it just needs to work more often for it to be good.]

Fixated: Remove the uninjured condition. [It's Urban Evasion all over again].

Second Wind: Changed to require completing a heal action rather than getting the equivalent of a heal. Now works with Deliverance. [Deliverance and Second Wind would be a fun combo but not broken at all, as it would require unhooking and completing a heal.]

Inner Strength + Small Game: Adds a totem counter next to your perks. [This either needs to be base, or be on every perk that interacts with totems now and in the future.]

If you kick a gen with overcharge, it should regress faster. The skill check only bullies weaker or less experienced players, it's no issue for people when you're in the rank 6 and better range. Maybe have the passive regression jump to 1% per second?

I think ghostface's power recovery rate should be buffed. Without addons it takes soooooo much time.

I would like to see We're Going to Live Forever buffed so that healing others would also give a stack. I can't tell you how many times (red rank here) I've been farmed off hook and downed right after since they didn't have borrowed time because someone had WGLF and wanted some stacks or went for an unhook too early.

Never forget that buffs are a double-edged sword. Buffs lead to powercreep. I've seen firsthand what happens when powercreep gets out of hand, and it isn't pretty. I don't want that to happen to DBD.

There are a lot of non-meta perks that could easily break the game if they were buffed just a little too much; I'd rather we just nerf the outliers whenever possible.

In order of which perks should be prioritized to get buffs.

1. Monstrous Shrine: needs a rework, should effect all hooks.
2. No Mither: no injured state music plays when the perks is equipped, Killer can’t see the broken status effect.
3. This is Not Happening: Should additionally increase great skill check bonus from 2 to 3%.
4. Camaraderie: increase the distance a survivor has to be from you for it to activate.
5. Beast of Prey: Removes blood stain completely.
6. Baby Sitter: numbers changed to 6/9/12 seconds.
7. Wake Up: numbers changed to 15/20/25%, you can see all survivor auras when standing inside the exit gate.
8. Lightweight: in addition to what it already does make it reduce grunts and noises made when jumping off a cliff or 2nd story house by 20/25/30%.
9. Resilience: numbers changed to 6/9/12%.
10. Buckle Up: increase the distance from 48 to 56 meters.

I would like to see Autodidact guarantee the first two skill checks at 50% and 75% of the first full heal you perform.

For killers make monstrous shrine spawn a second set of basement hooks outside the basement.

A ton of perks need buffs.

And honestly, I'm not worried about power creep.

The actual reason why power creep is an issue is due to how it usually happens. Devs add a new thing which is stronger than the old thing, now the old thing is useless by comparison. Repeat when they add a new thing again.

Buffing an existing perk up to the level of other existing perks is not power creep (although it can result FROM power creep). And the perks being used as our top level are perks that have existed for most of the games lifespan.

That depends on what you are using as a reference.

For example regarding Killers I'd say Hag is a good reference Killer with a an acceptable range surrounding her that we can call balanced with Spirit at the high end of that range and Freddy at the low end.

Regarding perks I'd put Unbreakable as the Survivor reference perk with the range being Adrenaline at the high end and Botany at the low end, and for Killers Nurses Calling is a good reference with BBQ at the high end and Dark Devotion at the low end.

Of course comparing perk strengths is pretty hard when they have incomparable effects so take those ranges with a grain of salt. But the point is that there are many MANY perks that are just bad and declaring power creep is just unhelpful for making good perks that people wont just ignore.