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How Would You Buff Weaker Killers?
If you got the chance to change some of the weaker Killers, how would you do it?
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I'd make Wraith able to walk through walls when cloaked.
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By nerfing stronger killers so weaker killers feel less #########.
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I've thought about that, it'd fit into his ghostly theme.
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It's been tossed around. It's something I'd like to see poor Philip have.
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Add any addon that seems required to play the killer to their base kit.
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I certainly wouldn't mind it.
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For Clown:
-Remove clown's self slow down when throwing bottles.
Makes his slow add-ons basekit so the gas can actually slow players at loops.
-Give him vision trough his own smoke.
-Remove the reload mechanic or speed up the speed at which he reloads.
For Legion:
-Revert the vault speed changes.
-Increase frenzy movespeed
-Remove the gauge requirement for Legion to use his power.
- Give collision to Frenzy during the stun so you can bodyblock survivors. ( It last 4 seconds, it's enough to give them a headstart and makes you able to punish them if they position themselves badly).
-Remove the power gauge loss after hitting someone with an M1 attack ( this mechanic honestly never made sense)
-Makes the pin add-ons effect applies on the first frenzy hit.
For Leatherface, the only change that comes to mind is to remove the slowdown while revving his chainsaw.
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Clown : add Flask of Bleach in his base kit, decrease his reload time, 5 bottles base kit and maybe make his gas to force slow vaults on pallets too ( but that might be a little too powerful, so not sure ). Or flat out rework him.
Legion : increase Frenzy speed and vault speed, rework Deep Wounds to be actually a threat for survivors and rework his add-ons. Or flat out rework him.
Trapper : he starts the match with all his traps as base kit and survivors can't Dead Hard over his traps anymore.
Cannibal : buff his base chainsaw speed and charge time and rework his add-ons. Or flat out rework him.
Wraith : add green Windstorm in his base kit and make him less visible and/or make his sounds quieter while he is cloaked.
Doctor : add Mouldy Electrode in his base kit and his Madness 2 should have more effects added without the need of add-ons. Or flat out rework him.
Pig : increase her crouch speed, remove her Ambush roar or at least put it at the end of her Ambush and rework her add-ons.
Myers : increase his base stalk speed and buff some his add-ons.
Ghost Face : decrease his base cooldown from 30 to 25 seconds and buff some of his add-ons.
Huntress : FIX THE [BAD WORD] MAPS.
Demogorgon : increase his base teleport speed a little and buff some of his add-ons.
Freddy : just buff his Blocks and Dresses add-ons, they are garbage.
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Hell no.
I don't need a Nurse 2.0 that can wall hack.
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i agree for sure with ghostface and wraith !!! :)
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Make the maps smaller, lessen the amount of pallets. Slow the gens a bit.
Make ivory mori base kit with the restrictions of: all survivord have been hooked at least once and two or less gens left.
Maybe doing all of that might be a bit overkill, but I'd like to see some of those changes implemented.
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So then what would you do?
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Not necessarily a weaker killer, but I'd make flashlights only temporarily disable Hag traps. It's super punishing if 1 or 2 survivors find flashlights, and a coordinated team on comms typically has someone with OoO dedicated to undoing her setup. She doesn't need that level of counterplay from an item survivors can find by chance.
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There are no real weak killers in the game anymore. Everyone is at least A+ tier. Even wraith. Although the S+ tier killers are coming down from the top, nurse has been nerfed and spirit will most likely be next.
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Wraith, addon to decrease if not remove shimmering while cloaked while not surpressing tr. Grab survivors off gens while cloaked. He can do everything else why not that?
Piggy - traps activate when unhooked. Less roar when charging
LF - Built in insidious and hooking a survivor anywhere teleports to basement. (Joking) Reduce charging slowdown and tantrum length. Chainsaw through pallets not ending chainsaw.
Doc - remove switching modes and more variety of illusions
Clown - replace reload with a recharge timer. Make secondary power to drink a bottle for short bursts of speed (someone elses idea i just liked it)
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Pig
- lessen the ambush roar/make it quieter/remove it
- make Rule Set No. 2 basekit
- completing a generator activates RBT, completing another should reduce the timer by 20%
- the first jigsaw box searched should automatically be the wrong box, so they have to waste time searching for the next box instead of taking the trap off in 2 seconds
- RBT should activate instantly if put on after the exit gates are powered
Clown
- increase bottle reload speed
- allow him to see through the bottle smoke
Plague
- recieve points for breaking people
Trapper
- start with all his traps
- buff wax brick
I am a pig main and all the things i've listed would make her way better to play. her ability is supposed to slow the game down, but as it is right now it really doesn't.
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Trapper needs to carry all of his traps on him from the start instead of having to go round picking them up.
Doctor needs a slight range extension on his power and remove the switching modes. If you press the attack button the second after the mode is switched he'll still do the attack from the previous state
Cannibal might need to be completely rebuilt to be buffed
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I'm not going to count add on reworks because that can be a whole discussion for each killer itself.
But I'll just go over a few baseline changes.
Legion-
* drop the fatigue time to 3 seconds
* revert the prevention of seeing blood in frenzy
* missed swings no longer deplete your bar but instead either just cancel out the power like you did it manually or if that's too strong cancel you out and reduce your current percentage by half.
Piggy-
* Allow Amanda to grab whilst crouched however not like ghostface this should work like the doctor's shock attack grab. Meaning you have to be directly behind a survivor and then charge up your ambush to grab. This gives the survivors decent reaction time but it's harder to notice than up pig simply uncrouching and trying to go for grab that way.
* Increase crouch movement speed currently you move slower than nurse which is really not a good
* Make base crouch time 1 second so when we use combat straps we can t-bag more effectively
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* Give him the ability to hold two traps by default
* Allow Trapper to set traps that are already placed on the floor without having to pick them up this just shaves some time off off your setup.
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Oh! I have a thing for this
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What if we make every killer Bubba/Legion tier then make every map as unsafe as Hawkins and Pre School? 🤔
Basically just nerf everything on both roles :)
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Trapper
- starts with ALL of his traps because there is no reason he shouldn't. Traps you can escape from at the expense of needing to spend a bunch of time getting them. There is a reason hes weak and there it is. Big maps? Dead.
- You don't stare at the ground when committing to the trap placement. Consider that a microbuff
Wraith
- Actually make his cloak a power by increasing his movement and action speed while cloaked by a sizable amount. Its funny how all being cloaked really does is make survivors feel safer on the gens for LONGER so they get more done and then in most cases they still get a huge warning you're around.
Leather
- Make his add ons not trash?
- Make it possible to hit competent survivors with the saw without the best add ons.
Clown
- No slowdown when throwing tonic. That in itself is so stupid....DURR my power is to slow you down!!! Ill slow myself down too!!
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Clown
- Remove slowdown on bottle throws.
- Direct hits douse survivors with the Afterpiece Tonic, causing them to leave a trail of gas for 1-2 seconds after leaving the cloud. Basically extending the slow duration.
- The longer a survivor stays in the gas, the longer duration the slow will be.
- Afterpiece Tonic by default inflicts 5 seconds of Exhaustion on survivors who're affected.
Trapper
- Trapper can now reset traps without having to pick them up first.
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Trapper:
No longer stands in his own traps
Survivor can't levitate over them with Dead Hard
Three traps by default, sacks add more
All traps spawn in an armed state
Can reset traps without picking them up
Triggered traps no longer move slightly out of place
Significantly longer disarm time (something akin to destroying Demogorgon's portals)
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100% this. Get rid of add-on reliance on certain killers. Add-ons should y’know add-on to a power, not be required to have an effective power.
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This is a terrible idea. You want everyone to be D tier so they can be bullied all day every day? no thanks.
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Oooo can I nab your idea and put it in my Legion thread and credit you?
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Trapper- Tar Bottle as base alongside- mid tier set speed and high tier sabotage and disarm- start with all traps Xx
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Of course. I deliberately put it out to the public for a reason.
Though I would again like to point out that the legion fix specifically is solely geared towards fixing his balance issues and thus is not the best overall fix.
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got ya!
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You're asking one of the most outspoken survivor main on this forum... Their answer would probably something like "killers don't need buffs they need nerfs" or something.
That said, I think the biggest issue might be the maps and the gen rushing.
The weakest killer all have a common issue; lack of map pressure and/or mobility.
Two ways to address that across the board would be to either rework maps to allow killers to travel through them efficently, or add mandatory second objectives that will slow down gen progression so the killers don't require such map pressure to be good.
It is a delicate thing though, because it would not take much to make killers way too strong and destroy the balance of the game, such as it is.
Killers should feel like they always have a chance to get their kills, and survivors should feel like they always have a chance to escape. It is not easy to balance but adding depth and skill cap to this stale meta would be a step forward in my opinion.
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Regardless of who they play, I still value their opinion and I wish to hear it.
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I would buff wraith by giving him faster base speed while cloaked, at least 3-5% maybe even more. Even this buff could allow him to have better map control and use his ability more in chase to close the distances. He would still have PLENTY of counterplay.
For trapper i would buff his traps overall. They should give survivors permanent debuff somehow. If survivor gets caught in trap he would suffer from decreased action speed, and slight movement speed nerf. This would allow trapper to benefit more from traps offensively, instead of just camping purposes defending the basement hook.
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Legion : do we not exist or something?
Doc : hey at least you all can actually hurt people with your power and apply pressure
Leatherface : at least you have your power at all times, mines taken away from me at vaults unless I time it perfectly
Wraith : you get powers?
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