Hide Survivor Names + Profiles In Lobby
First things first, let's start with the obvious.... Moris are overpowered. It's known, and it's whatever because killers don't use them every game.
Secondly, I will admit I was once a user of MLGA and would happily block killers who would talk ######### to me in end-game chat because they disagree with something, simply in fear of being targeted by that killer in the future (encountering the same person in high ranks is VERY common). Mind you, I'm not a T-bagger or flashlight spammer.
All this to say: Now that we're on dedicated servers, killers should NOT be able to see the players they are up against.
It's ridiculous to me that Killers can have Mori lists and target those who they disagree with in post-game chat. It's on the same level of stream sniping. The other day I was specifically targeted by a Nurse with a stream link in their name and I wanted to see if they had a mori daily or had something against me. Turns out I'm on this nobody-streamer's "Nurse only + mori list". I'm not sure why I'd be on such a list; did I disagree with them in post-game chat (I don't give into flaming)? Did I use an insta-heal in their game while trying to use up all items before prestiging? Did I use decisive-strike? (Yes, just today I ran into someone who brought an ebony mori because they had someone on their Mori list for using decisive strike and said I'm on theirs too now?)
Whether or not you disagree with moris/specific setups being overpowered, do you still think it's fair that killers can target players and have them on lists? I personally think it's on the same level of toxicity as stream-sniping, and should be looked into.
Users in this community always seem to say that killers should be able to see what they're up against, and I can understand that viewpoint. I don't believe they should know WHO they're up against. I propose we allow killers to see item loadouts and add a way to prevent quick-switching to make up for names/profiles being invisible in lobby.
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I'm on board with hiding all names + user profiles in the lobby, personally.
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Names? Hide survivor's information completely, as you mentioned.
Update few months ago, you need to wait until whole match ends to see killer perks.
And survivals? Killer see all characters in lobby, their equipment (flashlights, toolboxes, medkit), names and prestiges.
And in game their health status / names and obsession.
At this point, fair game?
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100% agree with this, there is no reason for the killer to know this information.
Also agree with this, why should the killer know what survivors are bringing into a match.
Needs to be fair on both sides, either all information needs to be hidden or survivors should get to see some information about the killer.
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So you are arguing that a KILLER shouldn’t be able to decide who to KILL? #########
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So yall can bring all the tools and stuff you want, all be blendettes and I won't know about it? Yeah, no. it's 1 vs. 4. There will NEVER be an equal ground cause the 1 should have the same power as the 4 together!
Before you say it, no I don't want 4k ez every game. That would be boring as HELL! I want good back and forth matches.
Also hiding health states and obsession? Do you WANT Killer to be powerless? Go play Killer and see if you do good without that info. I'll wait.
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Killer is supposed to have the information advantage in the lobby. its part of the balance btw.
Funny that survivors want those borderline gamebreaking CWF-infos for all, but demand killer to lose all available info.
But fine, hide all that info, but in exchange, all killers would get buffed to go against 4 toolboxes, 4 flashlights, 4 keys, 4 firecrackers etc all at once. Doesnt matter if survivors cant bring that many tho.
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I agree, seeing survivor's names serves no gameplay purpose. The only times it's helpful is when there's an swf team with similar/thematic names, but those are rare since it induces killers to dodge.
If that implies a clear griefing intent, yes.
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I mean, OP isn't suggesting that we cover up all the Survivor info. Just names.
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Who cares about griefing intent? As survivor either you play casual, accept its easy to die in this game and let the killer kills you OR you tryhard on and think this is competitive and try to outrun him. It really doesn’t matter what the killer “wants” to do since his purpose is killing people.
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Griefing is literally among the bannable offenses. Just saying...
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And how are you sure that a killer moried you because he’s harassing you? Couldn’t he just be playing his role?
Griefing being a bannable offense is another whole topic. Harassment is making you unable to play/irritating you on purpose without having in-game benefits, like faking the mori animation on you for 50 times when you are the last survivor, taking you hostage.
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I know because I went to their stream to see why they mori'd me and they literally switched to nurse + equipped a mori for me because I'm on their "nurse + mori only" list.
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So what? If he was some random killer and didn’t know you at all, couldn’t the exact same thing happen? Couldn’t a random nurse mori you anyway?
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I don't think you're understanding the point of this thread. If a killer wants to use a Mori for a daily or reasons that don't involve targeting specific players, then that's fine. But what I'm saying is killers should not be able to have mori lists and purposefully ruin the game for others players.
And while we're at it, encountered the killer in my initial screenshot lastnight who said he was adding me to his mori list for having decisive equipped. Got mori'd!
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I fully get the point of the thread. And I am saying that a Mori is not harassment, it’s a game mechanic.
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From the first post of mine:
Whether or not you disagree with moris/specific setups being overpowered, do you still think it's fair that killers can target players and have them on lists? I personally think it's on the same level of toxicity as stream-sniping, and should be looked into.
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I don't think you get the point of the thread if your counterpoint is basically that Moris are a part of the game.
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Some people seem to be getting the wrong idea and blowing this concept of out proportion. What I'm saying is to simply HIDE THE SURVIVORS' NAMES + PROFILES IN LOBBY AND ONLY THE LOBBY. NOTHING ELSE.
I am NOT saying we should hide the character in lobby
I am NOT saying we should hide the items equipped on the character in lobby
and I am NOT suggesting anything be done to names/profiles once IN-GAME.
Example:
And for those who believe killers should know what they're up against (I agree to a certain extent, but NOT the exact players):
Then this can be done so your fantasy is compensated for.
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Yes I think it’s fair you use a base mechanic of the game against a player.
I don’t think it’s fair you harass a player by taking his game hostage, which is already a bannable offense.
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Dude the sense of the post is “is a random person allowed to write my nickname on his personal list and then use that list to decide if using a powerful game mechanic against me or not?” YES he is allowed to do that. He can do whatever he wants until he doesn’t break the rules of the game.
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The entire point of the thread is that this ability should be stripped away. Saying that it shouldn't be stripped away because the game allows you to do it currently makes no sense.
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I agree with the hiding survivor names thing. As someone who has been targeted for literally just escaping and am still being targeted by a few people I believe this should be a feature personally.
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That will help fix the lobby dodging by the killer also, I find it more annoying than mori.
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So what are we trying to accomplish? The game should remove the ability from people to write down things? Or maybe the ability to read? Or maybe you just want the Mori out of the game, which is a totally different topic.
You do realize that there are plenty of ways to see those nicknames outside of the game? People with lists are not gonna stop because you remove names.
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Btw I’m gonna end it here because this looks just a bunch of survs whining because they got mori’d and are now sad.
Learn to lose.
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We are trying to accomplish removing names from the pre-game lobby. Simple.
I'm a dedicated Killer main in support of OP's suggestion.
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At the very least hide what equipment is being used so someone doesn't suddenly decide to change their own set up in accordance to that.
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I really don't care soo much about wins or loses, but the lobby dodging make the game awful, taking ages to get into a match.
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I know the devs probably can't be bothered to consider this as a change anytime soon with all of the bugs n all going on, but it's something that's hindering my gameplay experience as a non-toxic player.
Why this guy in the screenshot is mad:
- He lost as a freddy with Ruin + Pop and called Me & 3 others SWF but we were all solo so he definitely felt embarrassed about his false accusations.
- He was mad about my yellow toolbox + socket swivels because it's "genrush".
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Seeing items, characters and stuff like that should stay.
Seeing names (at least before the match) and especially having them lead to profiles is sorta pointless. People can just private their profiles entirely or partially anyway, and people can change their names.
And I'm pretty sure if someone systematically target you over several games and it can be proven that can count as harassment, but I can't remember the exact rules for that.
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A lot of people with mori lists mark you by name + steam id/profile id 😣
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Even more reason to make people's profiles unavailable then.
But it probably won't happen as people would lose it if they can't scan for SWF no matter how pointless it is now as more people have private profiles or hidden friends lists.
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Mories overpowered... how about combinations like dead hard, decisive and borrowed which you can use over and over again without paying for it?
Stop beeing tbagging ######### and people may stop killing you on sight.
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As I've stated I don't T-bag nor flashlight spam. I'm guessing you're a killer main taking this too personal when in reality this is about TOXIC killer mains, not ALL.
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