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Annoyed of 4 man DStrike?
Here i have some help:
Use a stopwatch/countdown.
That's it.. Not more.
I use it now for a few days and it makes life easier. Have to waste a bit of a seconds to press the button on my phone but it is worth it.
I actually don't care if survivors are going to rage against me cause of that. It's as far as i have seen not agaisnt the rules so..
Noone of these guys was able to use there DS and they played actually hard based on this perk (insta unhooks, jump in locker etc.)
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I wish I cared enough to use a stopwatch while playing Pig.
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Or you know, you can play without tunneling / camping with a nurse that has 3 blinks and noed.
lol just saying.
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but you know playing without it requires skill
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Impossible.
I've actually had a game where I was 'tunneling' because I walked away and LET a Survivor unhook his teammate, followed the only set of scratchmarks, and fund the unhooked guy. He was self-healing and did not even stop when I found him.
I looked at him for about three seconds, he kept self-healing, so I downed and hooked him again. End of match, he proceeded to screech that I was tunneling, a scrub, and 'Using trapper b/c you cant win in chases'.
And, the one I always share:
I hooked a Survivor, turned and saw his friend trying to sneak up to unhook, chased him, got the idea to turn around; saw a second player running for the unhook, so chased #2, turned around and saw #1 going in again, chased him away, turned & saw #2 going in again..
End of match? All 3 players (Hooked, Unhooker #1, Unhooker #2) yelling about how trash I was for camping.
It's 100% impossible to make Survivors happy unless Killers act like BP farms and never down anyone.
Just saying.
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you dont know how i played. i jsut countered their playstyle. they tried to force me to let them use theire DS and i jsut did the stopwatch style.
also only 1 gen got done and they spawned to ruin. i only used bbq and three blink fast cooldown.
also the "3 blink nurse noed lol" can on survivor side be a "insta heal, flashlight, 4 DStrike swf voicechat, lol"
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*Me with a slug build
Chuckles Sometimes I would
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Thanks for giving advice, but I'm too lazy for that. Haha!
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pretty impressive . noed on a very OP killer and you 4k'd :) yay
ds isnt an issue imo if the killer has map pressure
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or just take it early game and you don't have to worry about it later
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noed, ruin, 3 blink nurse
KEKW
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Or, y'know, just eat the stun. Then down them 10 seconds later.
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Most people who get DS’d aren’t even tunneling. It’s against game design that if the killer goes to the unhook and can only find the one who was unhooked, what do they do? In this meta you need to be providing pressure 99.9% of the time or you’ll lose. Killers are forced to slug or take the DS or most of the time you’ll find someone like 40 seconds later and pick them up when there’s only less than 5 seconds left of the DS it’s dumb but fair in a way. But when EVERYONE uses DS it’s real bs if you ever played killer for longer than 10 seconds. Most people use the 4 perks of the metapocalypse and it’s just so terrible DS BT dead hard adrenaline. It’s so BS if you run one or two that’s fine. Running three is pushing it but whatever, but having ALL FOUR yeah okay. No. Survivors will say durrrrr RUIN BBQ SPIRIT FURY ENDURING. The only perk I ever use is BBQ just for the BP or if I’m running like trapper or hag or someone I’ll run ruin, corrupt is more reliable anyways. I and a lot of killers use synergy perks to create monsters like when people will play Freddy and run red paintbrush swing chains thana dying light sloppy and ruin for ultimate slowdown. Stuff like that. People who use the basic killer build aren’t good killers they just stink poo poo and survivors who use 3+ of the 4 perks of the metapocalypse are just as bad well actually worse since a 4 man swf is the power role. Just use more unique builds for both killer and survivor instead of being boring and bad killers.
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Haha. Yeah, three blink tricked out nurse with bbq, ruin, and NOED.
Goes to show DS is pretty weak I guess. Buff that!
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Had a game recently where a Bill tried to get an unhook litterally as soon as the hooking animation was finished. He still had an active DS timer and he knew the guy he was unhooking would have one too. Sometimes...theres really no getting away from "tunneling" when the survivors wont go away.
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Yeah, because he got all his kills with NOED. You can tell by the BP there's no way they got all the gens done and what do you expect the killer to do after instant unhooks, not smack the injured person? That's just incredibly inefficient
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I've actually never played in a 4-man DStrike game.
Of course I'm being disingenuous, because I almost never run Dstrike so it's nigh impossible for me to get a game like that as Survivor.
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DS really isn't an issue on Nurse. If you really want to spite locker ds users, play trapper and trap the locker once they're inside. For an added bonus you can use Bloody Coil which will mean if someone goes to help them, they will get damaged.
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Or you can just use Make Your Choice. It's a built in Decisive Strike timer, and rewards you for chasing the unhooker.
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Actually, yesterday I had a game against 4-man Dstrike team.
Guess what, I only found out about it at the end of the match, since I didn't tunnel nor camp anyone with a noed nurse, so I didn't have to use a "stopwatch" or whatever to avoid a potential Dstrike. And I killed all 4, btw. Food for thought.
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In fact, if it was up to me, I'd shorten Dstrike to 30 seconds, but made it so the timer stops while you're on the ground.
Dstrike is a very important tool against cheap campers and tunnelers.
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You don't even need to wait for D'S when running that. No wonder why you didn't bother to show your name.
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People just need to quit telling other people how to play. Just play for Pete's sake! So many cry babies on both sides in this broken damn game. Guess what you do after the match? Go find another match! I just had 3 in a row against strong SWF groups and barely hooked anyone in two of those games. Guess what I did? I played again and got a 4k. Never cried once.
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2 of his perks don't activate until endgame. They spawned on ruin. Basically, he played with one perk against a full DS squad.
But yeah, sure. He definitely has no skill. Definitely.
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Couldn’t have said it better myself
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As Survivor, always assume Chilli.
As Killer, always assume DS.
If I know a survivor was unhooked recently I leave them there, no DS for them. I run nurse's calling so that also makes the slugged player bait. Win win.
Nice job on the match btw!
I wish jumping in a locker nulled DS :<
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Someone else getting hooked should also nullify it. They're not tunneling at that point. They literally already went after someone else.
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"Hey Google, set timer for 60 seconds."
BEEP
"Stop"
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That's a good survivor scor- oh, wait, you were the killer and got 4k. Oh well.
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Yeah, DS is really not as powerful as it should be. It's sort of like Thanatophobia. On paper Thanatophobia is a weak perk, it's only strong because there's a genrush epidemic.
The main reason it's perceived as so powerful, is because so many killers just keep tunneling. Well of course you're going to eat DStrikes if that's the case.
If you don't tunnel, you won't even know there a Dstrike. And the main reason DStrike is so common and meta, is because so many killers are just tunneling away (whether on purpose hard tunneling or soft tunneling).
Good killers play "normally" as intended -- they hook and kill survivors as they go arund the map. They don't camp, they don't tunnel. And as they do that they learn optimal techniques to find and chase survivors. So they get good at the game and can 4K without resorting to cheap tricks.
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I just take the DS. If they are cocky running around me and wanting the DS badly of course.
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I dont tunnel hook and dont camp and most the time no one complains.if i am going for the person just off hook wether on purpose or not i will down but not hook to make it more fair.the idea that nothing will stop them from complaining is rather absurd.
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Jesus is sometimes I forget how up their own ass members of this community can be.
While I don't have a massive issue with defensive strike even though I do agree it could be a pain in the ass even when you're not tunneling.
It should not matter whatever perks they're running or what killer they play.
This goes for both killers and survivors you guys really need to get this sense of I'm on my high horse out of here.
Let people use whatever perks they want on whatever killer they want.
Survivors used whatever perk they want.
If you like it or not somebody using a specific perk doesn't make them a worse or better player.
People wonder why the Dead by daylight community is so toxic
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Hard tunnelling and soft tunneling did we really have to make two separate definitions of it so people could still consider what's happening to them as tunneling
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Due to your lack of points and description. It looked like you was camping and tunneling, you just was trying to show off. But honestly you mad a fool of yourself.
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I have Alexa, when i down a survivor i say "Alexa 60s timer" if i rank up as a killer i have to thanks Alexa
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Imagine using noed as a nurse in this day and age. I don't even noed as a doctor main
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Wouldnt you have to do that when they get UNHOOKED, and not when they get downed?
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Pro tip for those who play windowed mode: activate to show the seconds in the right taskbar corner via editing in the registry. Very useful
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If a survivor is throwing themselves at the killer, begging to be hit, how is the killer even out anything by simply slugging them and not picking up? You spent no chase time whatsoever and gained pressure. Simple concept that many can’t grasp...instead it’s just crying that that person stunned them cause they didn’t use their brain and picked up. Hell even if you do just pick them up and eat the DS, it’s still minimal time invested to remove the perk. The idea that killers complain a survivor runs in their face because they have DS is laughable honestly. It makes no sense. They are more concerned with the stun than the fact they gained pressure with a downed survivor.
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The killer literally said they tried to bait them with unsafe saves and rushed lockers? So they're just supposed to ignore survivors when they know where they are and what they're running? Decisive is easy to beat as a strategy, just like op said, learn to be a better player
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Take it from the NOED 3 blink nurse saying DS is a "problem" when all you need to do is slug them or go for the unhooker. Lmao
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I'm more annoyed by the amount of ######### killers that insist on running NOED. I always just assume they have the perk if it's a Pig or Nurse now. I get even more annoyed if they run it with an insta-down killer like Leatherface/Hillbilly. No need for NOED if you're good at the game.
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Bruh he's nurse calm down lol you act like you need perks to smash with nurse
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Its pretty common now. Before the DS rework, I usually saw like 1 or maybe 2 Decisive Strikes in my game. 90% of the times non-obsession DS never activated, due to hook spawns being so close. Often even not a single DS. After its rework, I get 4 Decisives like every second game now.
People don't seem to realise that DS indirectly got actually buffed, because its usage skyrocketed now that its advertised as "Anti-Tunnel-Perk".
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Thanks for the advice, but DS doesn't affect me. I've been hit with it maybe 3 times since the rework. I dont camp, tunnel, or switch back to the recently unhooked person. I'll just slug them and go find another person.
On a side note I highly doubt those survivors were not camped or tunneled based on the score of the 3rd and 4th place survivors. I can see why you would need to set a timer.
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Imagine telling someone the counter to something is to "use a stopwatch" or to "count in your head, while you enter into a totally different chase, down them and still have time to chase, down, and get DS'd by someone else"
Dude. Your argument for how to deal with 4 DS is the equivalent of someone saying DS is balanced because "The skillcheck is still kinda hard and can be missed tbh" or "Most survivors who use it suck and you can still catch them"
My god. People use DS as a "Run at the killer" perk instead of an anti-tunneling perk. That's a design and balance flaw, not a "lol git gud just watch your 2 stop watches and slug appropriately"
Not to mention you can't even know for 100% certain if someone even has DS, so you as a killer are being forced into a situation where you have to put in extra effort for something someone may not even have!
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I honestly view DS the same way I view Insta-heals. If the survivor HAS to use it in the first place, they're likely not gonna get far. DS is understandable in low-ranks or when you're playing solo and got those killers who are just REALLY bad at finding the other survivors (or you're running distraction), but it's actually a wasted perk slot when you get into Purple and Red ranks I find. Not to mention, Insta-heals are just a free one health state of you use it on yourself, and an insta-pickup to avoid getting grabbed if you use it on someone else. They're stuff that has a bad stigma because of how they USED to be or how they used to be used. DS used to be literally ANYTIME you got picked up which was disgusting. Insta-heals used to be used in "hook-me-if-you-can" builds (which used to be WAY worse than they are now). I actually (as a killer main) sorta sympathize with Survivors on the rework of Insta-heals since they weren't even that good to begin with...
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I naturally just assume that everyone has DS and rarely have problems with it. I run into DS4 all the time. Sometimes the play is to eat it but you can always just slug which usually wastes more time than a hook anyway. That being said trapper, spirit, and nurse laugh at DS while Freddy, GF, and pig laugh at borrowed time; know your strengths. In my opinion the OP was just wasting time since he could’ve burned all the DSs and immediately downed them again and then he wouldn’t have to worry about it for the rest of the game. By waiting a full minute you were actually just helping them.
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DS is strongest when the gates are powered. It makes sense to eat the stun early regardless of how annoying it is.
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Just run make your choice. If you have MYC maxed out then the timer will run for 60 seconds the same as the Decisive Strike timer. Also make your choice is a good perk as well so win/win.
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