First Hook Suicide Is The Same As Disconnecting

Dude what do you want from us? It’s A GAME MECHANIC. Go and convince the devs to remove the option to unhook yourself.

Have you considered it's the little shits on their team that made them hook suicide?

It's within the mechanics of the game and something people can do thanks to how hook stages work. It's not instant like a DC and doesn't deny nearly as much as an actual DC does.

Is it annoying? Yes, for both sides. But it's not something I would want any sort of automated system to attempt to detect beyond "if you do it in the first X minute(s) of the match, it counts as a DC/ragequit".

Beyond that point it can be a genuine altruistic sacrifice that doesn't break the way the game is supposed to work. Like if someone's suiciding on hook to give someone hatch, the killer gets some actual warning in advance about it. Unless they completely rework hook stages and all perks that interact with the hook in any way there's no realistic way they even could get rid of it if you ask me.

I made a similar post earlier but was a little more belligerent towards the survivor community and it was removed. Glad you were able to get the same sentiment out without insulting anyone.

Theres a difference between someone playing the game the way they like, and someone choosing to not play at all. This is the equivalent of a basketball player sucking at basketball, vs a basketball player taking the ball and going home.

The biggest reasons why I see people DC as survivor is if they are going against Nurse (Many feel its impossible to escape her, even if you evade her really good nurses at red rank will literally stick on you like glue), Spirit, Iridescent Head Huntress, Billy (insta down, incredible speed / map pressure), camping and tunneling.

I play killer mostly but when I do see killers DC its usually due to an SWF bringing Haddonfield offering, or ruin getting taken out instantly.

Oh also as killer I have seen teammates sandbag each other such as trying to pass off the killer on someone else when the other player has no idea, the sandbagged player will DC sometimes.

I agree that DC'ing has become more prevalent but honestly the root cause is the issues above. You can say tunneling and camping are legitimate strategies, but in reality no one wants to play against that, in any game ever.

There's a difference between exploiting something that is clearly not working as intended and using something that's in the game and working as intended. Comparing the informed abuse of bugs/exploits to dying on the hook on purpose isn't fair at all.

Dying on purpose on the hook is simply not struggling. When you don't struggle in phase 2, you die. And when you try to kobe in phase 1, you probably get yourself closer to death most of the time. It's how the game works and how it's currently supposed to work.

Don't get me wrong, it's annoying when people just give up immediately. But as actual disconnections are still a problem it's without a doubt the lesser of two evils as at least hook suicides are within the mechanics of the game (consumes a hook, gives stacks + points, doesn't instantly open the hatch and so on).

No, it really isn't If the game has the mechanic built into it. Than it should be removed. If players want to risk their 0.0001% chance of pulling on the hook to get off the hook. Let em. Why not have the development team increase the odds to 40, 60 or even 100% chance (WITHOUT PERKS) to do it?

Discuss...

I first hook suicide vs Mori :)

I saw someone else get mori'd? I'm out. Bye.

Everyone is entitled to play the game their own way. Key words: play the game. DCing/Suiciding on first hook is NOT playing the game - it's removing yourself from play. It's hilarious a lot of these posts are echoing "Play how I want" as a defense for not playing at all. Your objective is to survive - period. If you don't want to survive, don't queue up...don't play. It's really that simple.

Now, how can the devs fix this or recognize intent? You're right, they can't recognize intent. They can, however, change game mechanics to reduce the survivors' ability to exit the game on their terms. The only reason you should be exiting the game is A) You were hooked 2-3 times by the killer, B) The EGC killed you, C) You escaped.

The SOLUTION: Remove the struggle mechanic. You can Attempt in Stage 1 as normal, it will get you to Stage 2 faster. However in Stage 2 you must bleed out on the hook, you can no longer let go.

How does this fix it? Well, it's easier to detect intent and record a player not moving or running around the map griefing by throwing pallets down. It is NOT easy to detect intent from struggle phase. So just get rid of that mechanic altogether.

Actually it's not the same as disconnecting you're playing by the rules of the game *you got hooked and you died* just because you whine saying nonsense like *it's the same as DCing* doesn't make it true keep your head canon to yourself who are you to tell people how to play THEIR GAME THEY PAID FOR WITH THEIR MONEY?

I agree. It's in some ways more irritating as the survivor gets BP and doesn't risk a ban. A real eye-ball roller. It can be seen as a safe d/c though and the game does give the player the option of hook escape attempts.