More severe punishment for killers that camp.

Devs said that camping isnt punishable.....

Camping is a strategy, like any other. The killer isn't cheating, taking the game hostage, or purposely allowing the survivors to win, so it's not against the rules.

When the killer camps a survivor, he's just handing you a genrush on a platter. Take it, say thank you.

On the ninth, she gets kicked out her basement.

Camping is its own punishment. You don't get to do anything fun, you lose the game because the survivors will do the gens, and you depip because you played like garbage.

Ight cheif im a survivor main and i find camping absolutely disgusting but thats a little extreme my guy.

A good idea would actually make camping less effective, not just cause the game to waggle its finger at you disapprovingly.

"What's that? Machine gun build? No no no. Fifty points from Gryffindor."

I think the actual solution is tricky to find because you gotta make sure you only really punish the camping that's just done for the sake of camping and not stuff like camping at the end of the game or camping because survivors are hawking around the hook due to excessive altruism.

You can punish via any means and it doesn't even have to impact BPs or Emblems. Many games are faced with these problems and have to remedy to maintain game health. I know the Devs discourage it but perhaps they could do more? Camping isn't fun for The Killer or The Survivor but some feel it is the only means to secure a Sacrifice.

@PigMainClaudette Yeah that could work, there's also Camaraderie. Again I don't think the Perk goes far enough and has unnecessary conditions and limitations. Why does another Survivor have to be within 16m and only work once for 34s on the Struggle Phase of the Sacrificial Sequence?

I'm really tired of reading that camping is a strategy... Someone not really clever with a bit of authority says it, and a mass repeats it hoping that it becomes a reality.

There is at least one case where camping has absolutely nothing legitimate: when the killer is alone close to the survivor hooked. Moreover, this brings no dynamics for the game and absolutely destroys all the pleasure of a player (since he can not do anything, what a fun game...), it is an undesirable situation.

I doubt that amplifying reward punishments (BPs, etc.) is desirable. We must impact the gameplay. There is a solution, needing to be thought out more because involving many questions: the Entity does not progress when the killer is alone in a radius around the hooked survivor. We must start from this idea.

Support that camping is a legitimate strategy (so always), and at the same time complain about the disconnections or suicides of the survivors... You really dare everything.

(What? Killers do not complain about disconnections or suicides of the survivors when they are camping them, so there are justified cases for these undesirable behaviors?!)

And Camaraderie is a bad joke.

Your first sentence is confusing. Survivors abused the Perk by camping the Hook? If so, change the conditions to where it only works when The Killer is within range? I didn't follow the PTB changes since I'm on PS4.

And a remedy to a problem doesn't have to eliminate but rather reduce it. Sometimes things are always permitted or done one way, doesn't preclude the possibility of future changes. If The Killer is determined to kill you, nothing will stop them goes without saying. There are myriad ways to address camping, but I don't have enough invested interest to share my ideas and then have to deal with explaining them. If the Devs solicit a feedback session on the topic, I'll be sure to post.

I play almost exclusively as a survivor. I can't stand killers than camp. It's a sign of a killer with no skill. Having said that.... if you want to see camping go way down the people that need to be punished are the survivors that make camping advantageous for the killer, and it's other survivors that need to punish them.

If you are a killer that doesn't want to work that hard and still get some easy points camping is the way to go. All you have to do is hook one survivor. By hooking just one person you are guaranteed to have at least 1 if not 2 other survivors that will be completely selfish and run up to unhook that person regardless of the fact you are standing there. Why try to find survivors and work to get them when almost half of them are so selfish they will run right to you not caring at all if they ruin matches for everyone else?

We don't need devs to make changes to punish these selfish survivors. The ones that aren't playing selfishly need to take it upon ourselves to ruin the game for the selfish survivors. Do you see a selfish survivor on a hook? Don't unhook them. See a selfish survivor hurt? Don't heal them. Did you see a selfish survivor go into a locker? Point them out to the killer. You get my point. If someone doesn't care if their selfish play ruins the game for everyone why not give them some of their own medicine?

There will be far fewer killers that camp when it stops being guaranteed easy points. The only way that is going to happen is if we make it as miserable for those that want to play selfishly as they make it for the rest of us.

IMHO camping is fine but under most circumstances it's a poor strategy for the killer if survivors are smart enough to punish him. (I.E. if they're camping, do gens instead of sitting around watching and waiting to see if he'll leave.)

I only camp if a survivor managed to actually piss me off to the point I'm willing to throw the game just to camp him but you have to really be intentionally trying to get on my nerves for that to happen. (Teabagging after every pallet stun, using a flashlight macro, saboing event hooks and only event hooks, etc. Looping itself isn't toxic and never will be toxic.)

Only other time I'll camp is if the exit gates are powered. At that point I can either try to secure kills by camping (At least it's at the end of the game.) or move away and they simply get rescued. This especially applies once the endgame collapse has started since at least one exit gate is open.

Anyways if I'm being camped at first hook for no reason with gens left that's definitely upsetting. Once the gates are powered I don't care if I'm being camped because I do the same exact thing when I play killer and the killer has almost nothing to lose and everything to gain by remaining near the hooked survivor when all gens are complete.

yeah... no.

the simple fact that many still disagree on what camping actually is alone should be reason enough to why this should never be a thing.

besides that, camping is a legitimate strategy. the "punishment" you were talking about states that this strategy will get very few emblem points and blood points, however you wont lose anything you had before, as you suggest one should. the grind in this game is huge enough, taking away stuff from the players would be very counteractive towards the devs efforts of reducing the grind aswell and in the end would only encourage players to stop playing the game entirely. as someone who is close of getting 11 maxed out killers, i know how long it takes for one to get everything on a character and all that time, these hundrets of trials should be removable just by me camping someone??

if the killer is camping, ffs do the gens and leave.

there really is no need for harsher punishments for campers!

Then abandon altruism and crank out gens. As I said, you can get at least three gens.

Now that I have a goal to progress through the rift, I just die on hook to campers, collect my xp and move on to the next match. Not really a big deal for me to be quite honest.

Either this is the juiciest bait in existence or you are just that woefully naive.

Either way this thread is going to be pure entertainment to follow

I had one guy tell me he camped to rank 1. Sounds viable enough to me. Honestly I always personally would love to see a temporary invincibility shroud around the hook once unhooked for the one who was unhooked(basically hits do the same as if you were on the hook, no damage). Maybe a 30 second one, so that if the killer is in the vicinity they can stay there and waste his time. If he really wants to camp he has to wait there 30 seconds to do so, giving players more time to do gens, as well as giving people options to work against the camp. And since it's 30 seconds just being in a bubble it doesn't necessarily prevent the scenario that you just hooked someone at the exit gates.

People say 80 seconds per gen but you have to account for ruin and thanataphobia, dying light, etc. A person has 120 seconds on the hook, with 80 seconds per gen people can only do 3 gens before that person dies. You also have to account for going to the hook to find out if the killer is camping, whether teammates try to save, etc. Sure some gens might be about halfway done, but overall you're not gonna finish 5 gens before the killer finds another victim. This leads to a 2 escape 2 die scenario which is what they aim for in balance, and this is in the best possible scenario I can think of, outside of someone managing to get a hook save on a camping killer without going down themselves, and no NOED, which a camper's likely to have, and if you have all solos you're not likely to have done all totems.

People claim camping is a strategy, but I bet all those people never played old PVP games where you spawned in the same place constantly, and people could just stand at your spawn shooting you over and over where you couldn't do anything. That's the exact same situation as camping pretty much, and every PVP game since that started happening made fixes to where that wasn't possible. BHVR just wants to keep camping as a thing for unknown reasons. The only thing it promotes is toxicity.

I think you quoted the wrong post?