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Marth88 Agrees the Bloodlust changes are too much.

BBQnDemogorgon
BBQnDemogorgon Member Posts: 3,615
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Check out @Marth88Gaming’s Tweet:

This change is going to be awful for killers. Not enough people are talking about the inevitable return of infinites the reason Bloodlust was introduced in the first place.

Now we have one of the top killer mains in agreement that this is a bad change until maps are fixed.

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  • Envees
    Envees Member Posts: 370

    @Tsulan said:
    That´s what i´ve been telling the whole day.
    If a killer can´t catch a survivor with BL2 right now, he won´t be able to catch a survivor with the new BL3. Survivors will just loop him almost indefinitely. This is a huge nerf for killers, which shouldn´t need BL in the first place, to catch a slower survivor. But because survivors abuse the difference in the collision (or hit) box, they can loop the killer.

    Only solution i see, would be to make the box the same size. No more fat shaming.

    Devs have lost their mind, if they think nerfing BL right now would be a good thing.

    Survivors will get exactly what they want. A ez match, where they can experience the thrill of a chase, but no real danger. Good enough to make a funny YT video and BM the killer.

    Let them implement their stupid ideas. Watch how all but the uninformed killers leave the game to play something else. I came back as killer to try this game after the recent changes only to be slapped in the face yet again.

    Your other post comparing the different speeds of the cars yet the faster one not being able to catch the slower one pretty much sums up the looping game. Remove BL or nerf it then you might as well make infinites a thing again cos as of now it takes 2-4 loops to get them to drop one single pallet at which point you lose BL and break the pallet or risk losing them altogether or at the very least lose sight of them but still lose BL.

    Survs who refuse to do anything other than run in circles are being accommodated here. I suck as surv but i am doing the best i ever have in this patch. I dont loop but try to mindgame killers in jungle gyms. Its working really well for me. The best i have ever done.

  • ASpazNamedSteve
    ASpazNamedSteve Member Posts: 1,784

    I'm glad, but it is frustrating they consistently ignore terrible map and structure balance.

    @SovererignKing said:
    Hope JenDenise is happy. She got all the Survivor changes and Bloodlust changes she wanted. And then some with hook buffs to boot. Pretty Good Job so far.

    And what about the map balance changes that she DIDN'T get...?

  • Tsulan
    Tsulan Member Posts: 15,093

    @Envees said:

    @Tsulan said:
    That´s what i´ve been telling the whole day.
    If a killer can´t catch a survivor with BL2 right now, he won´t be able to catch a survivor with the new BL3. Survivors will just loop him almost indefinitely. This is a huge nerf for killers, which shouldn´t need BL in the first place, to catch a slower survivor. But because survivors abuse the difference in the collision (or hit) box, they can loop the killer.

    Only solution i see, would be to make the box the same size. No more fat shaming.

    Devs have lost their mind, if they think nerfing BL right now would be a good thing.

    Survivors will get exactly what they want. A ez match, where they can experience the thrill of a chase, but no real danger. Good enough to make a funny YT video and BM the killer.

    Let them implement their stupid ideas. Watch how all but the uninformed killers leave the game to play something else. I came back as killer to try this game after the recent changes only to be slapped in the face yet again.

    Your other post comparing the different speeds of the cars yet the faster one not being able to catch the slower one pretty much sums up the looping game. Remove BL or nerf it then you might as well make infinites a thing again cos as of now it takes 2-4 loops to get them to drop one single pallet at which point you lose BL and break the pallet or risk losing them altogether or at the very least lose sight of them but still lose BL.

    Survs who refuse to do anything other than run in circles are being accommodated here. I suck as surv but i am doing the best i ever have in this patch. I dont loop but try to mindgame killers in jungle gyms. Its working really well for me. The best i have ever done.

    The changes will have the following effects on the game:

    • near infinite looping
    • increase in nurse players on every rank
    • increased survivor lobby ques
    • survivors will only be happy for a short time

    It won´t kill the game. But most of the old killer mains have already left the game. It´s simply to unbalanced.
    Every month there´s a sale and new killers fill up the ranks and get told to git gud. Which they believe for some time until they realize how unbalanced it is and leave. Then the circle repeats.

  • Tsulan
    Tsulan Member Posts: 15,093

    @Boss said:

    @Ihatelife said:
    Use bamboozle

    Oh, then can we make "healing someone else" into a Perk as well?
    Y'know, since we're talking about changing basic game mechanics into Perks to prevent the match from being infuriating.

    I´d love a "gen repair" perk.

  • Boss
    Boss Member Posts: 13,618

    @Tsulan said:

    @Boss said:

    @Ihatelife said:
    Use bamboozle

    Oh, then can we make "healing someone else" into a Perk as well?
    Y'know, since we're talking about changing basic game mechanics into Perks to prevent the match from being infuriating.

    I´d love a "gen repair" perk.

    I made a grammar mistake, but you got it nonetheless.
    Imma correct it...

  • Envees
    Envees Member Posts: 370

    @Tsulan said:

    @Envees said:

    @Tsulan said:
    That´s what i´ve been telling the whole day.
    If a killer can´t catch a survivor with BL2 right now, he won´t be able to catch a survivor with the new BL3. Survivors will just loop him almost indefinitely. This is a huge nerf for killers, which shouldn´t need BL in the first place, to catch a slower survivor. But because survivors abuse the difference in the collision (or hit) box, they can loop the killer.

    Only solution i see, would be to make the box the same size. No more fat shaming.

    Devs have lost their mind, if they think nerfing BL right now would be a good thing.

    Survivors will get exactly what they want. A ez match, where they can experience the thrill of a chase, but no real danger. Good enough to make a funny YT video and BM the killer.

    Let them implement their stupid ideas. Watch how all but the uninformed killers leave the game to play something else. I came back as killer to try this game after the recent changes only to be slapped in the face yet again.

    Your other post comparing the different speeds of the cars yet the faster one not being able to catch the slower one pretty much sums up the looping game. Remove BL or nerf it then you might as well make infinites a thing again cos as of now it takes 2-4 loops to get them to drop one single pallet at which point you lose BL and break the pallet or risk losing them altogether or at the very least lose sight of them but still lose BL.

    Survs who refuse to do anything other than run in circles are being accommodated here. I suck as surv but i am doing the best i ever have in this patch. I dont loop but try to mindgame killers in jungle gyms. Its working really well for me. The best i have ever done.

    The changes will have the following effects on the game:

    • near infinite looping
    • increase in nurse players on every rank
    • increased survivor lobby ques
    • survivors will only be happy for a short time

    It won´t kill the game. But most of the old killer mains have already left the game. It´s simply to unbalanced.
    Every month there´s a sale and new killers fill up the ranks and get told to git gud. Which they believe for some time until they realize how unbalanced it is and leave. Then the circle repeats.

    Your last paragraph also sums up my view on the matter. They are told to gid gud. So they get better and then realize the BS ( not brutal strength ) that really goes on. Then they leave. Then there is another sale to replace the ones lost.

    5.000.000 copies sold. 20k players online. What does that tell you? Terrible retention rate. And according to survs is all cos we need to git gud.

    I wonder why i still try this game every once in a while. I play it and then, like an idiot, keep getting pissed off at the same things that made me leave the last time.

    But oh, wait..in the latest dev stream they said.......yeah. Its nothing but BS, empty promises, lies, ommissions and left out stealth buffs/nerfs for one side or the other.

  • SovererignKing
    SovererignKing Member Posts: 1,273
    ASpazNamedSteve said:

    I'm glad, but it is frustrating they consistently ignore terrible map and structure balance.

    @SovererignKing said:
    Hope JenDenise is happy. She got all the Survivor changes and Bloodlust changes she wanted. And then some with hook buffs to boot. Pretty Good Job so far.

    And what about the map balance changes that she DIDN'T get...?

    Those will come Soon(TM). But first! Bloodlust nerf!
  • fcc2014
    fcc2014 Member Posts: 4,388

    @SovererignKing said:
    Hope JenDenise is happy. She got all the Survivor changes and Bloodlust changes she wanted. And then some with hook buffs to boot. Pretty Good Job so far.

    I guess unless you are a streamer what you say doesn't matter.

  • SovererignKing
    SovererignKing Member Posts: 1,273
    only1biggs said:

    @SovererignKing said:
    Hope JenDenise is happy. She got all the Survivor changes and Bloodlust changes she wanted. And then some with hook buffs to boot. Pretty Good Job so far.

    You really are a moron :'D

    Says the guy who has nothing of value to say. Pot, meet kettle. 
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  • Tsulan
    Tsulan Member Posts: 15,093

    @MuteNewt said:
    Just because a small time Youtuber says its a bad change does not make his point valid. The feature has not been implemented yet and hes talking as if his word is fact. If he had of paid attention he would of seen that the devs stated rarely a killer would get Bloodlust 3 and maybe wanna have just the first two Bloodlust tiers but with slightly faster aquiring times. They are trying to fine balance it for both sides.

    They stated: ''Its unfun for the survivor, because its very hard to play around a killer that is moving that fast. And also a bad move for the killer cause they had to waste so much time to get it. It wasnt the most strategic move for the killers. It kinda felt bad for survivors tp play against it. It wasnt all that great all around so hopefully the new numbers will get the results we are looking for and be a bit less frustrating to play against.''

    Stop getting into such a panic people. Love you all!! :D

    But you did see the grafic, where they showed that the new BL3 is effectivly BL2 with a longer time.

    Ohhh i almost forgot. It´s unfun for survivors. Well that settles everything!
    Freddy was also unfun for survivors...

  • SadonicShadow
    SadonicShadow Member Posts: 1,146

    I dont understand the devs balance decisions half the time. Bloodlust was developed to try and bandaid piss poor map design. Whats the point of nerfing the bandaid fix while also not addressing the whole reason why it exists in the first place. I would be fine with a bloodlust nerf or even removal all together if it came directly with a map balance rework so that the existence of bloodlust is made redundant.

  • Tsulan
    Tsulan Member Posts: 15,093

    @MuteNewt said:
    @Tsulan maybe wait for the PTB instead of going into a blind panic.

    Devs showed us a lot of times that they do a pretty good job.

  • brokedownpalace
    brokedownpalace Member Posts: 8,823
    switch said:

    @Ihatelife said:
    Use bamboozle

    Sure give us 16 perk slots so we can counter something build in the game.
    RUIN-must
    bamboozle-must
    BBQ-must
    pretty much no more room for interesting builds, forcing someone to use something is not a good direction for any game.

    Can't see the argument that BBQ is a "must." I personally disagree with any perk being a must but I can see why people think Ruin is.
  • Animalheadskull
    Animalheadskull Member Posts: 478
    edited August 2018
    Streamers are stuck cause I've noticed a few of them...most of them are very displeased with the game and try to down it and talk about what else they want to play and see if people will follow them. But people love this game and they don't get as many viewers when they play something else. But I just feel like if it feels like a chore or something you don't want to do, don't do it. And people think deathgarden is going to be their saviour, but imo it is very boring to watch compared to dbd. Maybe playing very fun but watching😪. I unfollowed a few of my favourite streamers just cause of bitching. I noticed the ones that try other games might be lucky to have 100 viewers, and when they play dbd have 300+, but ######### the whole time. That's not fun to watch as well.
  • NMCKE
    NMCKE Member Posts: 8,242
    edited August 2018
    TrumpJunior said:
    Why fixing maps when it’s way easier to adjust some numbers of BL? Dev‘s logic.
    Didn't they say that they was going to make looping a mindgame? Isn't that why they added minimum LoS blockers?
  • NMCKE
    NMCKE Member Posts: 8,242
    MuteNewt said:

    Just because a small time Youtuber says its a bad change does not make his point valid. The feature has not been implemented yet and hes talking as if his word is fact. If he had of paid attention he would of seen that the devs stated rarely a killer would get Bloodlust 3 and maybe wanna have just the first two Bloodlust tiers but with slightly faster aquiring times. They are trying to fine balance it for both sides.

    They stated: ''Its unfun for the survivor, because its very hard to play around a killer that is moving that fast. And also a bad move for the killer cause they had to waste so much time to get it. It wasnt the most strategic move for the killers. It kinda felt bad for survivors tp play against it. It wasnt all that great all around so hopefully the new numbers will get the results we are looking for and be a bit less frustrating to play against.''

    Stop getting into such a panic people. Love you all!! :D

    I'm okay with the BL change IF the tier times was at 12/24/36 but nope... it's a straight nerf as it remains at 15/30/45 with lower movement speed.
    It's whatever, I'm just going to keep practicing nurse and when I become a great nurse... I don't wanna hear anything from any survivor.
  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @Ihatelife said:
    Use bamboozle

    Its not a solution to fix flawed map design with a perk

  • Eninya
    Eninya Member Posts: 1,256

    @Bbbrian2013 said:

    @Ihatelife said:
    Use bamboozle

    What about double window structures like barn? Or the house on Red Forest?

    Bamboozle only works on one window at a time.

    The worst part about Bamboozle is that... it doesn't last very long. It's, what, 16 seconds at rank 3? That's nothing if map RNG f*cks the killer. I've run killers for 3 gens with mindgames, but I should never effortlessly run a killer for 3 generators because their "inevitable doom" mechanic gets taken away.

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  • Ihatelife
    Ihatelife Member Posts: 5,069

    The old map's with ''Infinite'' will be fixed this year, just be patience

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  • snozer
    snozer Member Posts: 776

    @Ihatelife said:
    The old map's with ''Infinite'' will be fixed this year, just be patience

    Nice joke.

  • powerbats
    powerbats Member Posts: 7,068

    @ChesterTheMolester said:
    Am i the only one who actually dislikes Marth? 
    He seems to have an unhealthy ego and little self reflection.

    It's the same fanboys every time especially after the tourney where he and depip screwed up in several games. If he says it it must be true type of thing and Jen discussed stuff they had already looked into. If all these killers want to leave over something that's not even in game then leave.

    Also they should take their own advice when some survivor mains whined over the proposed nerfs before last patch. Wait and see what really is there before complaining so much.

  • ChesterTheMolester
    ChesterTheMolester Member Posts: 2,771
    powerbats said:

    @ChesterTheMolester said:
    Am i the only one who actually dislikes Marth? 
    He seems to have an unhealthy ego and little self reflection.

    It's the same fanboys every time especially after the tourney where he and depip screwed up in several games. If he says it it must be true type of thing and Jen discussed stuff they had already looked into. If all these killers want to leave over something that's not even in game then leave.

    Also they should take their own advice when some survivor mains whined over the proposed nerfs before last patch. Wait and see what really is there before complaining so much.

    Yeah i will wait it out to see if they rework building loops and pallets as promised, cause if thats the case BL needs to die along with it.

    Wont help that streamers will probably fuel the fire here
  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @Ihatelife said:
    The old map's with ''Infinite'' will be fixed this year, just be patience

    You cant take the bandaid away that was supposed to fix map design before maps are being reworked. Are we suppoed to uninstall the game in the meantime?
    Oh and knowing BHVR, the map design will not be fixed this year, if it will be fixed AT ALL, and I am totally serious about that

  • ChesterTheMolester
    ChesterTheMolester Member Posts: 2,771
    I'm not sure why the thread exists, its kinda well known that BL is a necessary evil. So Marths tweet is an authority argument here.
  • ASpazNamedSteve
    ASpazNamedSteve Member Posts: 1,784

    @ChesterTheMolester said:
    So Marths tweet is an authority argument here.

    Lmao no it isn't.

  • NMCKE
    NMCKE Member Posts: 8,242
    Ihatelife said:

    The old map's with ''Infinite'' will be fixed this year, just be patience

    With more LoS blockers to make looping a mindgame :wink: Additionally when maps are fixed, I'll be okay if BL was either 12 (+0.2)/24 (+0.4)/36 (+0.6) or 15 (+0.2)/30 (+0.4)/45 (+0.6)!
  • only1biggs
    only1biggs Member Posts: 1,178

    @SovererignKing said:
    only1biggs said:

    @SovererignKing said:

    only1biggs said:

    @SovererignKing said:

Hope JenDenise is happy. She got all the Survivor changes and Bloodlust changes she wanted. And then some with hook buffs to boot. Pretty Good Job so far.



You really are a moron :'D

    Says the guy who has nothing of value to say. Pot, meet kettle. 

    LOL

    Oh I'm sorry, your valuable post about Jen REALLY threw me. Much value.

    Thanks for proving my point, moron :'D

    Anyone can go check her tweet and see that the developers are following her advice. So they know who is giving them the “ideas”. 

    I’m sorry, did I trigger a rabid JenDenise fan? Don’t worry, run to her stream and tell her all about the big bad “nameless forum poster” that triggered you. I’m sure she coddle you some more. 

    I don't really use twitter, but I am aware of the advice she gave. It was good advice to help both roles in the game. Moreover, bloodlust changes were going to happen before her lists of advice were ever "published".

    Triggered? Rabid fan? I'm an adult, these terms mean nothing to me.

    When you read something here and you hunch over your keyboard, sweating and angry at life, have a little think before you hit that "post comment" button. It's red for a reason little guy.

    Kisses!