Totally Unbalanced: wasted money on this game

It does add to it because I completely explained what your issue with the game was, you just didn't like my answer.

It was called a rant because it was overly longer than needed, full of emotion and jumping to conclusions quickly without proper reasoning IE a rant.

I repeated things in your post because you had contradictions.

Your youtube post was flawed in reasoning and that's why it was pointed out.

You were not told to "git gud" whatsoever. That's a very rude thing to say. What I said was that you need more practice, which is a true statement as you have even said yourself that you are a new player.

You are very quick to get offended. I'm just offering you advice from the things you've complained about from someone who has played this game a lot and can better correct some first impressions you've got.

It's one thing to say you are a new player and the game feels very one sided as a new player. Then to ask for advice on how to improve or what older players here think about the games balance.

What the polar opposite of that is...

"this game is too unbalanced and is a waste of money. I want a refund."

Which makes people not take you seriously and get the type of response that I gave you.

Your discussion is a rant.

Youtuber's make money off of entertaining content, so the original comment is correct. They are not to be looked at as a good source of info. Play how best works for YOU.

Unfortunately, the matchmaker is weird right now. Not entirely sure why, but it is what it is. The only solution to your problem is to get better at the game. I know, it isn't helpful, but ultimately, that's what it boils down to and it SUCKS. Trust me, I know it does.

You make valid points and it's too bad most of the people who come to these forums will both defend the game like they wrote the code, and then turn around and ######### about the exact same things you said.

Although I will agree with some of them, you knew to come here to complain, but not to research before hand. Most online reviews will say exactly what you have said.

TBH it's a pretty terrible game I can't stop playing. The mechanics are one dimensional, is super imbalanced (to which the devs will say is by design) and the amount often times you don't feel like you won or lost based on skill but instead by randomness completely out of your control (which is the part that annoys me the most).

Its been out for a while, so hopefully you didn't break the bank on it. If you're not having fun just move on and avoid asymmetrical games since I'm not sure can be balanced.

You make some very valid points.

Matchmaking is messed up. It's probably the number 1 thing that bothers me about the game right now, because it affects new players like you and stops them from wanting to play the game, which I think is really sad. Unfortunately all we can do is hope the developers fix it soon.

They have said that they are currently testing a new system for tracking and punishing DCs, which will hopefully be ready to be implemented once dedicated servers go live.

As for the wait times, in my opinion that's an unfortunate side effect of making the game "balanced". The developers want to make killer and survivor just as fun and rewarding to play as each other. Which is fine, and understandable. The problem is that this is an asymmetrical game, and the consequence of placing both roles on even footing, or attempting to, is that the distribution of people wanting to play each role will be about 50/50. For matchmaking purposes, though, the ideal distribution is about 80/20. So as long as killers are just as attractive to play as survivors, killer queues will be much longer than survivor ones.

Match making is messed up mostly because their player base is too small for what the game needs. If you think queue times are bad like this, they'd be a lot worse if they tried to do it any better.

I'm pretty sure if the player base was bigger the current scheme would work fine and they could start to reduce the gap between ranks in a match, but they are trying to balance queue times as well, it eventually makes exception and you start to see disperate ranks in matches.

Unfortunately, the game is fairly old now and the only way they are going to get more players is with licensed content and I think that only provides a few bursts and then it tapers off again.

The matchmaking is so bad that I cant blame new players for leaving the game after couple rounds.

Unfortunately right now...matchmaking sucks for newbies. All I can really say is stick with it.

If I'm being honest, in your situation, they're little things you can do because you won't understand looping and gen rushing. The match making as you said is trash and some killers would purposely make themselves low ranks in order to get "easy wins". Some suriviors would also ask friend to help put them on low ranks so that they can "bully killers" and go to up to rank.

So to put simple, ask for helps from people on the forum or lobbies you play in. They are little to no chance of you actually having fun because most killers would try ignoring how it is like for low ranks and would want every killer to be strong and easy to use such as the spirit. Obviously if you are an Xbox player I can help you because I'm a rank 3 currently. You honestly won't learn much or anything from watching videos because it's like expecting yourself to gain work experience just by watching clips of how work feels like. You need the actual experience from looping good killers and countering good suriviors to understand what fun truly feels like in this game.

Just 10 hours, huh? I'm not gonna lie, you found out that something is wrong with this game faster than most of us. Good for you, now you won't have to waste your money on skins and dlc's.

@lilbitofliah

First of all, believe me I understand you completely. The frustration, the emotion, what you expect from forums.. I've been there, I think we all been there. We may just have forgotten what was it like at the very beginning. Hate to bear bad news but that frustration, injustice feeling never really goes away. It only transforms with the new perspectives you gain from experience.

You only have 10 hours, so people gonna bring this up because it matters. This game depends so much on experience. You research a lot so that's why you have more understanding the game in 10 hours. I was around 40 hours in before having these pains.

People on this forum have, generally speaking, more experience than you do. So even some of them may come to you as hostile or unhelpful, what they mean underline it is correct most of the time. You are just too frustrated to acknowledge this right now, Or sometimes they tend to say things in a harsh way. Cause they seen them all.

I am 2500 hours in to this game at the moment, and I still get pissed after consecutively bad games. And let me tell you I get them a lot. One bad game after another, switching roles doesn't make any difference. And I feel like I just suck at this game. Or get mad about moris, keys, or in general mechanics. I know there are many things to fix, or change in the game, but even the current version have a balance of its own to help you learn and enjoy.

There aren't many way to get better at this game, except to keep playing it. You are gonna face a lot of challenges. Both mentally and physically. Yes physically, I am talking about so much sweat here that can drown your keyboard. But that is one of the things I love about the game. It's unpredictable. That's keep you interested.

Yes matchmaking is kind of bad right now, but even it wasn't you probably see many SWAT survivors with 1000+ hours hanging around rank 20 just so they can enjoy bullying inexperienced killers. That's why you can see here people saying rank doesn't matter.

Also about youtube videos. Yes they can be very helpful. I learned great deal from them both as survivor and killer. But because they show only glorious moments, they can make you feel like incompetent. However you go see a stream of that youtube video owner. And see for yourself most of the time, they live in the same pit as you and I.

If you enjoy the game the only thing keep playing, get fresh air time to time, change into dry clothes, come back and learn something from those bullies. I learned a lot about playing survivor by playing killer. How they loop me, what they do when I pressure here. And vice-versa. I applied those techniques they did to me, and see how the killer counters it. It goes on and on like this. And you build your experience.

That was a very long version of "git gud" with subtexts. I hope this would give you some new points to look for in the game. Hope you stick around, to enjoy the good parts.

When you are very new forget about looping, mindgaming and all that stuff you see on Youtube videos, it requires an enormous amount of knowledge of maps, tiles, jungle gyms, pallet spawn points, timings etc, seeing some videos about it wont teach you anything and just frustrate you.

My advice for new Survivors is to play stealth, play with Nea and use Urban Evasion, that perk alone will help you remain undetected, also get Spine Chill/Premonition, one of those 2 will help you avoid the killer (Spine works always but doesnt tell you the direction of the Killer, Premonition has CD but tells you the killer position so you can choose an escape path) and use Deja Vu, while this perk is BAD for average players for newcomers is very good, it gives you insight of 3 generators right at the start so you dont waste time searching for them (with practice youll learn to search for them efficiently so Deja Vu becomes pretty much useless but for newcomers is a great help). Another great perk for starters is Meg's Sprint Burst, while not the best exhaustion perk is rather easy to use and reliable if you learn to not waste it.

Survivors main objective is to waste Killer's time so your teammates can fix gens, one killer using 60 seconds trying to hook someone are 3 guys fixing gens for 60 seconds. To acomplish this you have 2 methods, first one is with a looooong chase with loops (Youtube's favourite) and the second method by having him search every nook and cranny looking for a survivor they cant find anywhere and doesnt seem to exist yet they know is around somewhere because someone keeps fixing that gen he just kicked for the third time, I cant count how many times Ive managed to waste Killer's time by searching for me only to end up empty handed.

And now the hard truth, as newcomer you are cannon fodder and youll end up dead pretty much always, especially if the killer finds you, winning a chase against a killer as newcomer is pretty much imposible, your main goal should be trying to play as safely as possible without being a hindrance (generators must be done so you will have to expose yourself and help your team fixing them) and trying to stay alive the most time so you can earn experience and get a grasp of the game, especially by observation of veteran survivors.

P.D. patience, this game is really fun and the learning curve is extremely harsh, but once you get to a degree of skill and learn to play the way you like is very rewarding and enjoyable.

While there are many here who are indeed sympathetic to the new player experience its sadly become far more toxic over the years.

"Or maybe each DC survivor adds a significant speed bonus to healing, cleansing, and repairing."

"And then I got hooked and the killer camped me so my teammate couldn't rescue me and I ended up dying. This makes the killer definitely too OP no matter what."

"What fun is the game if you're role in the group is to sacrifice yourself so only one person can escape at the end?"

This shows your already onesided point of view on the game as a newbie survivor player. You are asking for balance and you are just taking into account your point of view as a survivor since you seem not get killer lobbies.

1) Why should the survivors get a buff for disconnecting teammates? It also takes away the fun for the killer, stealing both from him, emblem points and blood points. Why should the survivors get a buff for this and the killer is left with his ######### game?

2) Why do you think the game is unfun, just because you don't escape. And anyway, why should a game be like that all survivors always escape? You think it's unfun if only one survivor leaves the game, but it should be fun for the killer to have everybody survive?

3) You think camping is OP? That also shows that you need to gather more experience. Camping is the worst thing to do as a killer and the easiest thing to counter as survivors. It just works on unexperienced or totally unprepared and over-altruistic teams.

I also think the match making needs a rework. We are short before rank reset, I am not sure how many rank 20 are even out there, if you start playing now.

But I am also calling this post a rant, to the most part I agree with @Blueberry .

At your point: "You are not providing help."

Your post is also not asking for help. You just wanted your money back, or a patch for super boosted survivor play, so it is fun for you as a newbie and unfun for any low rank killer you encounter.

Where did you get that information from?

I would like to see a new discussion on how to provide better games and the possibility for better learning the game for newbies. I also would like an option that newbies can flag themselves as newbies, if they want to.

As a killer, it actually feels bad to beat a player and then find out he was just rank 20 paired with a lot of purple ranks.

Maybe like that: You can activate the flag if you want to, but it will not be available any longer, as soon as you reach rank 10 for the first time or after having played for 100 hours?

hey @lilbitofliah here is some clarity or advice that I wish I knew when I started:

1. Matchmaking is going to put you with people and a killer that are within 6 ranks of you. If it starts taking too long (depends on your platform and region) then it will start to expand those parameters to cut down on waiting times.
2. Decide what kind of survivor you want to be; stealthy or a runner, maybe a bit of both? Honestly of the 100+ perks there are only like 30 that are widely used since they are so good. Find out what works for you. As soon as you have some perks the game changes a lot. Check the Shrine of Secrets each week and load up or just level up survivors (meg, dwight, claudette, david, bill, they all have a perk or two you want).
3. Learn to be patient; you don't always need to run, use LOS blockers to your advantage. Unhook teammates if you are close and do generators as fast as you can. Cleanse totems if you see them.
4. Learn the maps, aside from some minor RNG changes the generators and totems often pop in the same spots.
5. As you play more against different killers you will learn their strengths and weaknesses.

While killers seem so dominate I call tell you from experience (500 hours) that once you get past rank 8 or so the survivors take on the power role and the 4v1 really comes out. A good survivor can avoid and/or loop a killer for minutes. Minutes.

There is nothing that can be done about the DC situation today, it does suck. Until BHVR makes some change to deter this kind of gameplay it will always continue to happen.

90% of the posts on this forum are complaints about unbalance; perks, adds ons, killer's powers, map since, items, etc, etc, etc. In a 4v1 game there will always be unbalance. Unbalance lies in the mind of the player and we all have our biases and everyone's bias is different.

For this reason no matter what the company does this game will always have balance issues. It can be very frustrating when you get bullied by survivors as a killer or you get facecamped or tunneled as a survivor. This is the game.

Yeah it would be nice, but it is so open to abuse. Like how are they gonna separate early dc's from rage dc's on death hook? Especially swf would be open to exploit that.

If you get a refund on everything you ever dislike then you will never spent any money and games including a balanced dbd will never exist.

You should understand whether a game is for you before you buy it.