Let's Make One Thing Clear...

If only Botany effected all healing speed. Not just Self Care. Wait....

Hated SC before the nerfs. I have been enjoying Nancy's inner strength a lot. Game is all about time management and self care almost always results in bad time management. Sometimes it's good to heal eachother. Sometimes it's better to risk prioritizing the gens. Again, all about time management.

That and those willing to be a team player. Rarely find team players in solo anymore. Really sad tbh.

You argued using Self Care and Botany for healing was a waste of perk slots. I'm arguing the combo makes Self Care heals manageable as well as healing your team faster.

No, I didn't Mr.Liar ? Re-read my post and stop putting words in my mouth ?

Yeah I misread it. My bad.

Be more cognizant next time ?

Arden is still a good perk. If you're being chased or slugged that could get you out of the game. I used to run iron will but I gave it up for borrowed because of all the proxy camping people do and if I'm found I know how to run the killer so I don't play immersed anymore but I still love my adren. The only counter is I guess noed and the plague if you're broken but you still get the speed boost.

Hey I could still argue about the Iron Will Adrenaline combo. Lol.

"Boosted" is a term a DBD Youtuber uses for people that try hard (i guess?)- He also uses it wrong since being boosted is not necessarily a bad thing, so whatever

If you're self caring more than 2 times in a match something is wrong. Self Care takes 32 seconds, they were wrong about it being 24. Also Inner Strength + a totem would take 20 seconds. Finding the totem might take another 12 seconds, MAYBE, but you usually spawn right next to one, or can find one within the first 3 seconds. Now it's already prepped, you've taken out 1/5 totems for NOED(actually contributing to the match), and if you're unhooked, that person who was gonna heal you can go do gens instead while you get in a locker. When you're self caring, you're doing nothing for your team. You're just giving yourself an extra health state while someone else is being chased and two people potentially are on gens. You running to that corner to self care while the killer was chasing someone else instead of letting the unhooker with We'll Make It heal you just wasted time for absolutely no reason. This is the reason Self Care is bad. It promotes selfish gameplay. Oh and I've never seen someone get spotted because they had a med kit...lol.

Who runs Iron Maiden besides Huntress? And 10 seconds isn't a problem, you're usually too far from the killer for Iron Maiden to actually come into effect outside of just showing the killer where you were 10 seconds ago. If I run Inner Strength, I'm also running Head On, and I always run DS, so that's 3 perks great for locker plays already. If the killer spots me, I have Inner Strength activated, and I'm far enough away but in an unsafe area, I can run into a locker, they can sit there waiting to bait me into a Head On, and if that 8 seconds pops, I'm fully healed and if I manage the Head On, I've just created a fresh new full health chase vs the killer. If I don't get the Head On, I lasted longer than I would have if I didn't have Inner Strength.

@Atrushan88 @Snow_Lep

So, its a little obvious to mw that you two don't play Altruisticly in the sense of going for hooksaves and protecting teammates.

"If you get hit more than two times a match, you are doing something wrong." Was truly the dead give away. If my teammates get hooked, I am generally the one to save them (Usually run borrowed time, self care, Babysitter, and an interchangeable perk which is usually more gen oriented or Dead hard.

Say my teammate goes down, and gets hooked. I go in for the save, and get hit. I loop the killer, and occasionally heal a little, until either he goes after someone else, I am fully healed, or he gets me.

Now lets say, he goes after someone else instead of finishing the loop with me, and I fully heal. Sure, it does take longer, but now, I am ready to go. Say, six seconds before I finish healing, he snags someone off gen, and hooks them. I now heal up to fully, and can go save them.

If I had been running Inner strength, I would have had to go and find another totem before I could heal up again, meaning that getting hit while going for a save.

And yes, I know, if the killer is within distance to hit me when I go for the unhook, its unsafe, and could be considered farming. But there are lots of times killers camp (everyone knows that). There are killers who watch from afar. There are just the killers who are patrolling in the area. Sometimes I body block, or take a distraction event.

The reason you guys don't see it as viable, is because it's a waste of time and cannot be prepped like other perks (like inned strength).

But if you are playing altruisticly, or as a distraction to the killer (like me), self care is higher ranking due to the fact that it can be applied over time, can be applied mid chase, doesn't require me to do totems, and has no minimum number of uses.

While generally, Inner strength is more time viable than self care, the fact it has a limited number of uses, as well as has to be prepped reduces it's viability for more altruistic players.

So just don't completely disqualify self care's uses, please.

(Also, didn't they nerf DS? I thought you had to be hooked, and then you had 60 seconds where if you get grabbed it can be activated. Or does that not affect locker grabs?)

Really? Because it seems to me you're comparing SC and IW to a medkit but please correct me if I'm wrong.

I do go for hook saves, when my teammates allow it, but I don't when they're over there directly by the hook waiting to farm them, which happens quite often. I never said "If you get hit more than 2 times a game, you're doing it wrong". I said if you're SELF CARING more than 2 times a game, you're doing it wrong. There should be no reason you should self care all game, other teammates exist, it's faster. Self Care is a time waste, meaning you should not be doing it that often. You can heal with more things than self care. Med kits, allies, etc. Self Care, if used, should only be used in situations where none of those are available to you, and that should not happen 5 times in a match.

If you're saving someone from a hook, then wait until the killer leaves. If the killer does not leave, you're putting your team in more danger by trying to unhook in front of the camper, because then they'll down you, and then down the other person, now they get 2 hooks, and can still camp one, likely the one they hooked the first time to ensure they die quicker.

Yes, you have to be hooked first for DS, but a totem takes 12 seconds, and then a locker takes 8. That's 20 out of 60 seconds. You can also have inner strength already prepped by the time you got unhooked, saving the person's time who unhooked you and protecting yourself in the locker in the event the killer comes after you with 3 different perks. If the killer grabs you out of the locker before Inner Strength deactivates, you have DS, if Inner Strength deactivates, you have Head On.

If you're trying to be a distraction, you generally won't have time to self care in front of a killer's face, not a good one anyways. You waste the killer's time as much as possible, then you're hooked. Self Caring in a chase gets you hit sooner more often than not.

A survivor has 60 seconds of hook time before they go into stage 2, and if you're injured, you shouldn't go for the save, someone healthy should. Everyone should be working on gens for as long as possible before unhooking that person. Self Care shouldn't be needed to go for an unhook, UNLESS you're going for an end game play, everyone leaves and it's just you.