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For *BLEEP* sake, crouch around Hag traps ppl

Michiko
Michiko Member Posts: 623
in General Discussions
If you're saving someone from a hook, knowing the killer is Hag and she more than likely has traps around the hooked survivor, do not RUN to save someone and set the traps off. You're promoting tunnel & signing their sacrifice certificate, k thanks. Only on PS4 -_-

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  • RepliCant
    RepliCant Member Posts: 1,436

    dude seriously i feel you

  • Michiko
    Michiko Member Posts: 623
    Brady said:

    dude seriously i feel you

    Its so bad man.
  • Esheon
    Esheon Member Posts: 568
    Michiko said:
    If you're saving someone from a hook, knowing the killer is Hag and she more than likely has traps around the hooked survivor, do not RUN to save someone and set the traps off. You're promoting tunnel & signing their sacrifice certificate, k thanks. Only on PS4 -_-
    No, it's not only on PS4. PC players do it too.

    It can be beneficial to intentionally set off the trap if you know the Hag is occupied (carrying someone else, for example), but most people just run up, unhook, and get downed by Make Your Choice.
  • Boss
    Boss Member Posts: 13,616

    Why include a mod tag?

  • Michiko
    Michiko Member Posts: 623
    Boss said:

    Why include a mod tag?

    I didn't put any tags. Don't know what you're talking about.
  • Michiko
    Michiko Member Posts: 623
    Esheon said:
    Michiko said:
    If you're saving someone from a hook, knowing the killer is Hag and she more than likely has traps around the hooked survivor, do not RUN to save someone and set the traps off. You're promoting tunnel & signing their sacrifice certificate, k thanks. Only on PS4 -_-
    No, it's not only on PS4. PC players do it too.

    It can be beneficial to intentionally set off the trap if you know the Hag is occupied (carrying someone else, for example), but most people just run up, unhook, and get downed by Make Your Choice.
    I get the ultimatum, but that wasn't the situation in this case.
  • Michiko
    Michiko Member Posts: 623
    Peanits said:

    "Crouch... that's shift on PC, right?" - My teammates when playing against hag.


    Terrible.
  • Tsulan
    Tsulan Member Posts: 15,095
    Peanits said:

    "Crouch... that's shift on PC, right?" - My teammates when playing against hag.

    I'm waiting for the obligatory "hag op, pls nerf!" After a match.
  • Master
    Master Member Posts: 10,200

    @Michiko said:
    If you're saving someone from a hook, knowing the killer is Hag and she more than likely has traps around the hooked survivor, do not RUN to save someone and set the traps off. You're promoting tunnel & signing their sacrifice certificate, k thanks. Only on PS4 -_-

    You dont need to crouch if you can activate light speed by holding down shift

  • GhostEuant
    GhostEuant Member Posts: 243
    Boss said:

    Why include a mod tag?

    When a mod posts in a thread (Peanits in this case) it automatically tags it. 


    For the thread topic, my problem is when the person I unhook starts running when they’re the ones who watched her set it. 
  • Michiko
    Michiko Member Posts: 623
    Master said:

    @Michiko said:
    If you're saving someone from a hook, knowing the killer is Hag and she more than likely has traps around the hooked survivor, do not RUN to save someone and set the traps off. You're promoting tunnel & signing their sacrifice certificate, k thanks. Only on PS4 -_-

    You dont need to crouch if you can activate light speed by holding down shift

    I don't play on PC.
  • Michiko
    Michiko Member Posts: 623
    GhostEuant said:
    Boss said:

    Why include a mod tag?

    When a mod posts in a thread (Peanits in this case) it automatically tags it. 


    For the thread topic, my problem is when the person I unhook starts running when they’re the ones who watched her set it. 

    That too! 
  • Pirscher
    Pirscher Member Posts: 611

    No comment ^^

  • Beaburd
    Beaburd Member Posts: 998

    I know the feeling, it's infuriating. That said, I can understand why some people try it (and fail miserably).

    I knew a guy who did it under the assumption he was clearing the traps from the hook for a future rescue. Instead though, the Hag just took this as an opportunity to re-trap the area and essentially camp the hook without consequence. Pretty smart of her honestly, since she only gained from it. When confronted, the guy just said there was no point in crouching and left.

    Then I got to thinking about it - is crouching actually a necessary counter to her traps, or is it a trap in itself? If she has Mint Rag, Make Your Choice, or even both, you're screwed even if you do crouch to and away from the hook because chances are you've given her enough time to run back to the hook and down the unhooked, unhooker, or even both for free. This goes double for when you heal on spot, and triple when you're in the basement. After all, the vertical distance you have to travel makes it so there's literally no chance to get out while crouching even with Urban Evasion before she runs back by foot and downs everyone (or at least the Make Your Choice target).

    I'll still crouch for unhooks and gtfo personally, but after that I've always assumed anyone who triggers hag traps by hooks is following that guys logic and try to shrug it off. Not the best choice, but at least I can sympathize with their impatience somewhat.

  • Michiko
    Michiko Member Posts: 623
    Beaburd said:

    I know the feeling, it's infuriating. That said, I can understand why some people try it (and fail miserably).

    I knew a guy who did it under the assumption he was clearing the traps from the hook for a future rescue. Instead though, the Hag just took this as an opportunity to re-trap the area and essentially camp the hook without consequence. Pretty smart of her honestly, since she only gained from it. When confronted, the guy just said there was no point in crouching and left.

    Then I got to thinking about it - is crouching actually a necessary counter to her traps, or is it a trap in itself? If she has Mint Rag, Make Your Choice, or even both, you're screwed even if you do crouch to and away from the hook because chances are you've given her enough time to run back to the hook and down the unhooked, unhooker, or even both for free. This goes double for when you heal on spot, and triple when you're in the basement. After all, the vertical distance you have to travel makes it so there's literally no chance to get out while crouching even with Urban Evasion before she runs back by foot and downs everyone (or at least the Make Your Choice target).

    I'll still crouch for unhooks and gtfo personally, but after that I've always assumed anyone who triggers hag traps by hooks is following that guys logic and try to shrug it off. Not the best choice, but at least I can sympathize with their impatience somewhat.

    Even if that was the case, theres using a flashlight to destroy it as well. But most people don't loadout with flashlights because they don't think to, can't use em' or just don't like them. That guys logic make sense in a way but then again you're giving her a head start (especially if shes not camping) to get closer to the survivor that is still trying to recover from being hooked. I just wish people on DBD  would take time to learn and/or just be more team oriented and considerate.
  • thesuicidefox
    thesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,223
    edited August 2018

    This is great advice... until it's not.

    If you know the Hag is clear across the map, or better yet carrying someone, you should be running around and hitting all the traps because she wouldn't be able to teleport. That's one of the most effective tactics to beat her, because without traps she is trash tier.

    Not enough people realize this and insist on crouch walking everywhere all the time. Sure if she's able to teleport it's smart, but when she can't you should be running around to waste her traps.

  • ShrimpTwiggs
    ShrimpTwiggs Member Posts: 1,181

    Seriously, when I'm on the hook my fellow survivors do jumping jacks on the hag's traps.

  • Eninya
    Eninya Member Posts: 1,256

    @Michiko said:
    Only on PS4 -_-

    This is PC, too. It's worse when you save someone with crouches, and you're prepared to heal or follow them to eat a hit if Hag comes back, but they just get off the hook and run, f*cking both of you with Make Your Choice + them being injured.

  • Peanits
    Peanits Dev Posts: 7,555
    edited August 2018

    @Boss said:
    Why include a mod tag?

    Mod/dev/community manager/etc. tags are applied automatically when a mod/dev/community manager/etc. posts in a thread. It's a way for people to see which threads mods/devs/community managers/etcs. posted in. Clicking them takes you to their post.

    Normally it's a tool to help people find answers to questions, but in this case, it just takes you to my dumb, not funny joke. So I wouldn't pay any attention to those unless you're looking for a response to the post.

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  • powerbats
    powerbats Member Posts: 7,068

    @thesuicidefox said:
    This is great advice... until it's not.

    If you know the Hag is clear across the map, or better yet carrying someone, you should be running around and hitting all the traps because she wouldn't be able to teleport. That's one of the most effective tactics to beat her, because without traps she is trash tier.

    Not enough people realize this and insist on crouch walking everywhere all the time. Sure if she's able to teleport it's smart, but when she can't you should be running around to waste her traps.

    I do this all the time, especially when I'm not the make your choice person and laugh when she drops the hooked persona dn tries to instadown me and fails. The other nice things is she then if she doesn't tp to me is she has to reset all those traps.

    One thing that's annoying on pc is the persons sees the trap and still runs right over it when you crouched to save them. If you really want to be unhooked safely then hold your couch key when you get unhooked and sneak off. You won't trigger the trap if you both do this.

    The only issue i've got with Hag traps since long before her rework is the trigger radius is stupidly huge.It's 5 character models I believe and unlike Trappe she can set it right in front of the hook. In fact the Trappers traps have to be stepped on and to disarm it it's 1 character model away.

    If the Trappers traps worked like the Hags you'd be within 5 character models and trigger it without actually ever stepping on it. But right now it's 1 character model or so for the traps and Hag's should be the same. Now since the Hag Phantasms have collision as well they should change her traps to be same as Trappers.

  • Boss
    Boss Member Posts: 13,616

    @Peanits said:

    @Boss said:
    Why include a mod tag?

    Mod/dev/community manager/etc. tags are applied automatically when a mod/dev/community manager/etc. posts in a thread. It's a way for people to see which threads mods/devs/community managers/etcs. posted in. Clicking them takes you to their post.

    Normally it's a tool to help people find answers to questions, but in this case, it just takes you to my dumb, not funny joke. So I wouldn't pay any attention to those unless you're looking for a response to the post.

    Thanks for clearing that up. My apologies, OP.

  • Esheon
    Esheon Member Posts: 568
    thesuicidefox said:

    This is great advice... until it's not.

    If you know the Hag is clear across the map, or better yet carrying someone, you should be running around and hitting all the traps because she wouldn't be able to teleport. That's one of the most effective tactics to beat her, because without traps she is trash tier.

    Not enough people realize this and insist on crouch walking everywhere all the time. Sure if she's able to teleport it's smart, but when she can't you should be running around to waste her traps.

    And that is why Urban Evasion is not a counter to the Hag. It can save your ass on an unhook, but if you crouch everywhere you're just making sure her trap web never goes away.

    If you see a Hag pick someone up, immediately run to the nearest trap and set it off. Make her waste the time to reset it somewhere else. Sure you can't see the traps easily, but after seeing a few go off you can guess what kind of Hag you're facing.

    I hate it when SWF teams run around and set off every trap I have as soon as I pick someone up. So frustrating, and so much wasted time. Good strategy on their part though.

    I'd hesitate to call her trash tier without traps though. As fast as trapping is now, you can reset your web mid-chase to some extent.
  • thesuicidefox
    thesuicidefox Member Posts: 8,223

    @powerbats said:

    @thesuicidefox said:
    This is great advice... until it's not.

    If you know the Hag is clear across the map, or better yet carrying someone, you should be running around and hitting all the traps because she wouldn't be able to teleport. That's one of the most effective tactics to beat her, because without traps she is trash tier.

    Not enough people realize this and insist on crouch walking everywhere all the time. Sure if she's able to teleport it's smart, but when she can't you should be running around to waste her traps.

    I do this all the time, especially when I'm not the make your choice person and laugh when she drops the hooked persona dn tries to instadown me and fails. The other nice things is she then if she doesn't tp to me is she has to reset all those traps.

    One thing that's annoying on pc is the persons sees the trap and still runs right over it when you crouched to save them. If you really want to be unhooked safely then hold your couch key when you get unhooked and sneak off. You won't trigger the trap if you both do this.

    The only issue i've got with Hag traps since long before her rework is the trigger radius is stupidly huge.It's 5 character models I believe and unlike Trappe she can set it right in front of the hook. In fact the Trappers traps have to be stepped on and to disarm it it's 1 character model away.

    If the Trappers traps worked like the Hags you'd be within 5 character models and trigger it without actually ever stepping on it. But right now it's 1 character model or so for the traps and Hag's should be the same. Now since the Hag Phantasms have collision as well they should change her traps to be same as Trappers.

    Yea I would be okay if the reduced the range where traps trigger. It can be really annoying sometimes to know a trap is somewhere but trip it anyway because the range is so far. Hag is one of the killers I actually use and I'd be okay with this considering how fast I can lay them down. It encourages more careful trap placement.

  • Esheon
    Esheon Member Posts: 568
    thesuicidefox said:

    @powerbats said:

    @thesuicidefox said:
    This is great advice... until it's not.

    If you know the Hag is clear across the map, or better yet carrying someone, you should be running around and hitting all the traps because she wouldn't be able to teleport. That's one of the most effective tactics to beat her, because without traps she is trash tier.

    Not enough people realize this and insist on crouch walking everywhere all the time. Sure if she's able to teleport it's smart, but when she can't you should be running around to waste her traps.

    I do this all the time, especially when I'm not the make your choice person and laugh when she drops the hooked persona dn tries to instadown me and fails. The other nice things is she then if she doesn't tp to me is she has to reset all those traps.

    One thing that's annoying on pc is the persons sees the trap and still runs right over it when you crouched to save them. If you really want to be unhooked safely then hold your couch key when you get unhooked and sneak off. You won't trigger the trap if you both do this.

    The only issue i've got with Hag traps since long before her rework is the trigger radius is stupidly huge.It's 5 character models I believe and unlike Trappe she can set it right in front of the hook. In fact the Trappers traps have to be stepped on and to disarm it it's 1 character model away.

    If the Trappers traps worked like the Hags you'd be within 5 character models and trigger it without actually ever stepping on it. But right now it's 1 character model or so for the traps and Hag's should be the same. Now since the Hag Phantasms have collision as well they should change her traps to be same as Trappers.

    Yea I would be okay if the reduced the range where traps trigger. It can be really annoying sometimes to know a trap is somewhere but trip it anyway because the range is so far. Hag is one of the killers I actually use and I'd be okay with this considering how fast I can lay them down. It encourages more careful trap placement.

    Unless you're using the trigger range addons, it's really not that far. I don't know where this "5 character models" thing came from, but it's not accurate for the base range. The base range is maybe a 4-meter radius. Any smaller and you wouldn't even be able to use the camera flick mechanic effectively.
  • chemical_reject
    chemical_reject Member Posts: 940
    If the hag is doing that "lingering nearby but kinda away" thing and someone is else near us I'll run thru the traps and haul ass the other direction hoping she follows me so the other person can do the unhook 
  • Peanits
    Peanits Dev Posts: 7,555

    @chemical_reject said:
    If the hag is doing that "lingering nearby but kinda away" thing and someone is else near us I'll run thru the traps and haul ass the other direction hoping she follows me so the other person can do the unhook 

    I find that more often than not (with my luck), she'll just stick around to replace all those traps, possibly adding a few more into the mix, making the window for someone to save them even smaller.

  • chemical_reject
    chemical_reject Member Posts: 940
    Peanits said:

    @chemical_reject said:
    If the hag is doing that "lingering nearby but kinda away" thing and someone is else near us I'll run thru the traps and haul ass the other direction hoping she follows me so the other person can do the unhook 

    I find that more often than not (with my luck), she'll just stick around to replace all those traps, possibly adding a few more into the mix, making the window for someone to save them even smaller.

    Yea I don't see many hags. And if I remember right she chased me for a bit but turned back toward the hook before there was time to unhook
  • Michiko
    Michiko Member Posts: 623
    chemical_reject said:
    If the hag is doing that "lingering nearby but kinda away" thing and someone is else near us I'll run thru the traps and haul ass the other direction hoping she follows me so the other person can do the unhook 

    A very rare dbd player breed. I salute you.