So I just read the Spirit nerf and uh..... what's the big deal?

I think you're vastly underestimating how big all 3 base kit nerfs she received are.

Calling it now. People will still complain about Spirit and say she needs more nerfs.

It's almost like killer and survivor balance was in a completely different place a year ago, with survivors being vastly overtuned.

Knowing whether she is phasing or not will nerf her into oblivion in chases in addition to the collision removal. The collision removal was the only REAL thing she needed aside from addon changes. With no collision, you can now manipulate your scratch marks as to where she will not know where you are. You can run in a straight line, and run backwards, and it's a guessing game for the Spirit now where you are. Previously you couldn't do this because she would bump into you. It adds a survivor sided guessing game vs the Spirit that was much needed. Knowing whether she's phasing or not removes her ability to mind game you. Besides, there actually are ways to know if she's phasing or not, even if they're subtle.

Add Iron Will into the mix with the bump changes and it'll be extremely hard for a Spirit to find you if you mind game her.

Standing still is mindgames, now that survs can do it. lul

Not really, she still moves at 176% speed at base, add sounds and scratch marks into the mix and you're still not likely to get away. Lets not forget you have to walk unless you want to run into her (for a free hit) so you don't leave scratch marks, so you're only at 56% speed. So in total she has 120% speed on you (that's almost default Billy speed advantage with chainsaw while she can go in any direction freely), while she can hear your footsteps, breathing, and if you're injured you're screwed. No we don't "throw iron will into the mix" because

A) perks aren't counterplay against killers. We shouldn't have to run perks good against 1 or 2 of 17 killers because they're unbalanced.

B) Stridor says hi

C) You still hear footsteps even in the worse case scenario

D) Scratch marks and moving grass lead her near you, into sound range. At the worst back onto the survivor.

Knowing she's phasing alone won't do too much, we also need something else. She either needs omnisound so she can't tell direction, loss of scratch marks, an indication of where she's at for the survivors, or something else. The community has given plenty of alternatives. She won't be garbage, she will be fairer. Spirit problems, in the simplest terms, is she gives the survivors no info while she gets a boatload and a speed boost, on a low cooldown, with no downsides besides losing the body of the survivor in a game where sound and scratch marks matters more.

Her clues are too subtle. Tiny shards glowing on her body is not good enough when skins, lighting, LOS, and the survivor looking where they're going for 2 seconds can get in the way. Footsteps are not good enough if they're so light you need to be on a rainy map and without chase music to hear them. She needs changes.

"on a low cooldown"

Don't respond if you didn't read the post please.

She hears your footsteps, turns in that general direction, unphases, sees you,and uses the speed boost after she can see you to hit you. You can tell where a survivor is well enough. I've chased survivors from the other side of walls and floors because of footsteps.

If you walk she hears you and catches up anyway to hit you since you're slowed by 44% and she gets a 66% speed boost. If you run she sees scratch marks and hears you, catches up to hit you since she's moving at 176% (without add-ons). She has enough time to find you otherwise collision would not have been an issue at all. It's a lose lose for the survivors. She does not give survivors enough ways to mind game, the player behind her can if they are bad or can't afford headphones, but the Spirit herself does not.

You're assuming the Spirit is deaf in these scenarios where you double back, she's not. If I hear survivors turn around, so do I. The survivors also move grass while Spirit doesn't, so she can follow that if its around. Decent spirit, or killers in general, can hear where survivors are well enough to hit them around corners, let alone running or walking around them.

I also don't see how if she can hear you, you are a "decent distance away". If she can hear you she's close, that's part of the problem.

Unnecessary nerf on the Spirit.

Adding animation for window vault:

This was a high skill strategy for Spirit users. You force a mind game with the survivor and make them guess if you're vaulting or not. If they guessed wrongly, they are punished for it. By adding animation for the Survivors, the high skill ceiling for Spirit is removed.

No longer silent prayer beads:

Another nerf to the high skill ceiling of the Spirit. By making the sound global, now everyone will know when to start hiding. The silent prayer beads is a skill-expressive add-on. Only good Spirit users know when to use it to yionk surivors off generators and use it to hunt on the map. This just completely removes another skill-based aspect of Spirit.

Overall the changes just dumb down the Spirit from a high-skill, high-reward killer to a random nobody. A good Spirit player could get 4k in around 70% of matches. With this gutting of the killer, there is no more distinction between a good and bad Spirit player

"So like, what is this HUGE overkill nerf people are crying about?"

I haven't seen a HUGE amount of crying over the nerf. Prayer Beads was expected by pretty much everyone and I haven't seen any complaints about it. Personally, I don't think a lot of the nerfs were warranted but at the same time she'll still be playable. So meh.

You lost me at the "high skill" part.

#DeleteSpirit

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Well, we've not seen it yet, but it does seem to be what they're hinting at.

You might feel anxious, others, including myself, just feel like "well guess its time to flip the coin". It is unfair, you don't get sound, grass, scratchmarks, or get a massive speed boost on the survivor side. It is, by definition, unfair. The problem is it's too unfair. She doesn't strike fear, she strikes frustration with her gamble like play style you need to take as a survivor, that's weighed heavily against you. Standing still is not a guaranteed hit, don't know who said that. But everything she does put together will net you a hit most of the time much faster than other killers.

She is not balanced by her movement speed. 5% speed loss is not enough to make up for her multitude of strengths. You're acting like her power doesn't exist, which is a disingenuous argument. Those chases are not going to last nearly as long as a chase with Clown or Wraith. They are over much, much faster, otherwise she wouldn't be "over-preforming". She's strong everywhere. In the open, at loops, at pallets, at windows, at the shack, on hook, everywhere. So yeah she's strong where other killers are weak, but she's too strong in her current state and these nerfs are not doing much to address the actual issues, so she will probably be nerfed again as she will still probably be over-preforming. It's something, but it's not enough.

New rule, whoever says the term "overperforming" unironically has their opinion ignored, because we don't actually know anything about stats. We have BHVR's word on it, but we don't have an open API for us to check stats with.