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If you get camped and Hard Tunneled I feel like you shouldn't Derank for it
I have gone against players who use things such as Ghostface to Facecamp while being immune to the effects of BT
Spamming crouch in front of me because they got one successful chase and the second a teammate tries to save me, with or without BT, they have just removed their terror radius so I don't get the Endurance status
I then get tunneled. I DS and try to get away but get tunneled even more, the killer running past my teammates trying to bodyblock.
I die. I lose a rank for the killer only going for me pretty much the entire game.
Even though I had completed a gen before the chase, and the chase lasted a few minutes,I just got tunneled and deranked.
This isn't just a problem for me and contributes to the toxic attitude of survivors who will run full meta SWF and teabag after every slightly decent play.
This, in turn, causes more tunneling, camping and all around toxic play from killers, repeating the process.
I don't think it would be as bad if killers were punished a little more, and survivors didn't derank from being entirely focused, as it would make less of an incentive for the killers and if survivors do not lose out as much, there will be less malice.
I say this as somebody who equally plays survivor and killer, having experienced and watched both sides of the toxicity many times over.
I'd like to see some other opinions on this.
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Rank is meaningless so I personally don't care. I find myself always in red ranks, I like Depipping
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I've seen survivors who get tunneled all game and get sacrificed but get a pip anyway. The ranking system already punishes killers for doing well and rewards survivors who do poorly.
The game shouldn't reward survivors for losing any more than it already does.
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To be honest, how would you define Tunneling and Camping then? Sure, if the Killer hooks you, Ruin still up, 5 Gens to go and camps you, this is pretty clear.
But what if 2 Gens are left and he needs someone dead? Or when everyone is around the Hook? What exactly does tunneling mean? I mean, when I see the guy who just got unhooked, I follow him, when I dont see any other person. If the Unhooker decides to hide, while he is full health and leaves the injured person as a target, this is not my fault.
So you cannot really define Tunneling or Camping to justify not getting deranked for that. Also, I feel that those games are the minority, at least on Red Ranks. Sure, there are some guys out there who tunnel and camp (a specific German Fog Whisperer is really good at it, quite amusing how he complains about BT and DS all the time, because those are perfect Perks vs him), but those are the minority, from my experience.
Where I 100% agree - Stealth abilities should not counter BT. BT should work against camping Killers, and it should not matter if this Ghostface is in Night Shroud or not, he is near the Hook, so BT should work.
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I think the game already rewards bad survivor play and punishes good killer play too much and we definitely don't need more. I also very rarely see this much tunneling/camping that you speak of. Are you on console or at low ranks? The few times I see this are because someone was BMing the killer and asked for it.
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If I die early in the game, then I would prefer to depip. If I continue to pip or safety pip, then I think I'll have to go against harder and harder killers. I'm terrible at chases, so I'd prefer they not make it easier to pip, if I'm clearly not doing well in a match.
If I keep pipping after being crushed in a game, then I think it would make it to where I am crushed in more and more games. Not my favorite.
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I'm starting to have that same mentality as some, I've reached red ranks and people are all for themselves xD I go into games now not to survive so to say but to help the team survive :D #iwontletmyteamdie!
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I agree... I'm all about my team, even when sometimes they aren't. :)
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I'm on PC and this happens up to like rank 6 killers commonly
I've been punished for my teammates unhooking me in front of the killer without BT and the killer going for me instead of them, even getting tunneled more when I hit DS
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If you genrush & run second chance perks in a SWF, the Killer should not derank.
I mean, if you want pity because the Killer 'played toxic', the Killer should have the same thing against toxic Survivors.
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I understand what you mean, I play killer too, so when I see two trails of scratch marks away from a hook I JUST left, I'll usually follow one and if it's the guy I just unhooked I'll down them (If it's early on and they've been hooked twice etc I'll just slug them)
But when I see somebody unhook in front of me, generally I'll go for a 1-1 trade and leave the recent unhook alone afterwards
And for me It's a difficulty getting to red ranks as my skill level is around rank 6 - 9 and every time I go on a winning streak or get one good chase I just get camped and/or tunneled, usually the killer ignoring 1 or 2 other survivors directly in their face to go for me.
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I don't find that ######### fair either, I very rarely play SWF, and when I do I usually run DH and DS and whatever is for my dailies/tomes or play style of the day
when people bring like 3 broken toolboxes and a flashlight all in a SWF it's massively unbalanced and removes a lot of the skill involved in the game. Then again, so does getting downed 3 times in a row by campers, especially early on
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Dude... I WISH I deranked for it!
It happens to me every other match and I don't want to rank up and get put in red rank hell anymore. Keep me out of it.
If getting tunneled/camped meant that I would never rank up, I'd be totally okay with it.
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Wait..who u talking 'bout?
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I don't agree. That's too much hand holding.
When you play survivor, you should be able to survive long enough to get a pip.
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I wholeheartedly agree. Especially with nearly every killer I go against camping and tunneling.
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