For those that rage about survs DC
guess how many killers dodged that lobby (we were there waiting for new killer to stay in our lobby)
rank 5 (small tip)
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Can’t we just agree that neither are fine?
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Lobby dodging isn't as serious as DCs because the game hasn't started yet. When you dc from a game, you're directly wasting everyone's time by starting a game you had no intention to complete or even participate in. Lobby dodging is fair because nobody should have to go against 4 man swfs if they don't want to, and finding another match takes little to no time at all not including loading screens. Next time try using more subtle characters and cosmetics. Thiccums McGee, Claudia and David the Hunk are common choices for cringey toxic swfs.
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Dodging because wearing/owning a certain cosmetic totally means you're suddenly a god at the game, right?
Imagine.
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its true both cases are bad @GrootDude but too many ppl here just lynch survs forgetting killers are just dodging what they dont like
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and final answer is 7
im all about DC penaltys but lets make it equal so killer will be punished for dodging lobby as well
because its strictly unfair (at least now survs dont have to start looking for new lobby because some killer doesnt have balls to play vs 1 Flashlight)
@PistolTimb "nobody should go against 4SWF" but jokes on you it wasnt 4SWF but we still were dodged 7 times, so tell me your argument one more time. so in your opinion killer can do whatever he wants while seeing items (Because of change couple months ago now he cant tell about SWF unless he check profiles which i dont know why it is a thing) but maybe you assume every 4 survs are 4 men SWF
"Thiccums McGee, Claudia and David the Hunk are common choices for cringey toxic swfs." maybe count every single surv as toxic? because every single one can have flashlight to hold?
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Like survivors don't lobby dodge all the time too. You know how many survivors randomly quit my lobbies lately, probably because ranking put them with low ranks and they don't want to play with less skilled teammates = cherry picking like killers do with lobbies. To me dodging lobbies isn't as big deal since it doesn't affect the final game you eventually get.
I wouldn't mind some punishments like timeouts even for lobby dodging thou. But you really can't compare DC/suiciding on hook with lobby dodging. It's a whole another league of bad manners which definitely needs serious punishments if abused.
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@Triumvirat what my screenshot supposed to mean? i shouldnt post other ppl nicknames without their permission if you dont know that well youre lacking some common knowledge
i can tell you every surv had normal nickname, nothing suggered anyone is toxic nor swf
i can understand wanting to dodge T.TV but why ppl are going out of their way to see survivors profiles? (btw soloQ surv cant check killers profile but thats "fair")
@Kebek but dodging because of your future mates being R20 is kinda different than killer dodging survs, why? because its this poor soloQ surv made to play with R20 teammate and random killer xd guess why ppl are dodging Matchmaker mistake its not like surv is dodging because he knows he will play vs 10th spirit in row xd (but i would love to see soloQ surv looking at killer that would be funny)
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Lobby dodging isn't at all comparable to DCs. No one gives a ######### about your clothes. If they did I'd imagine they'd give more of a ######### about all prestiged clothes since that at least says you played long enough to sink around like 6M bp into your character.All purchasable cosmetics says is you have $5. This thread is basically just a weird flex.
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@Triumvirat im not thinking its because of cosmetics youre assuming that
but im asking for reason why 7 killers in row dodged that lobby? because it wasnt 4 men SWF and if youre telling me every killer is checking profiles to check hours, why that is allowed?
SWF basically cheating XD dude its 1st time im using sth THAT DEVS BUILD IN GAME and was called cheater, get a life kid because i cant call it different
i main wraith and pig on red/purple ranks (depends on mood if i want to play with or without slowdown perk) and i never dodge lobby xd even obvious 4men swf or 4 items
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@Galklife And what about rank 15-20 killers dodging survivors with P3 and such ? Or looking at their profiles and seeing 3000h+ ? I think both sides have it the same, you don't know if the killer dodged you because he was a baby or because you somehow found out that you are far above his skill ceilling and game shouldn't have matched you with him.
As I said, I don't really mind, both sides should be punished for it equally no matter the reasons if you want it to be fair. Still comparing dodgeing with DCing is really silly imao. It's separate issues since both sides abuse it.
Survivors can also abuse lobbies sicne killer is supposed to have that 1 min to prepare for what survivors are bringing and survivors can have full tryhard build prepared but have selected basic Dwight and switch to tryhard P3 meta perks Claudette with items at the last second. There are many thing both sides can abuse with lobbies but fixing these is very very low priority compared to the massively huge problem of DCing/quitting for both sides.
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@ForgiveMyEngrish its not flex, im rly asking why killers are dodging this lobby, how scared killer can be with 1 FL in lobby?
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@Kebek it was R4-5 lobby dont compare it to R15, ok?
edit: i can understand dodging 4 blendettes (i dont do that but i can get that) but why dodge that one? if R5 killer is afraid of 1 FL i dont feel like he should play there xd but rank system forced him to be on R5 so
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So you think ranking system doesn't rank high ranked survivors with low rank killers ? You know how many times I had game with full red rank survivors that got matched with grey rank killer ? Far more then it should have.
I'm always sorry for those rank 20 killers since they got unfairly matched with red ranks. It's the same as you said when red ranks get matched in lobby with grey rank and you dodge the lobby since you don't want to play with someone new.
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Well good for you, congratulations on not dodging lobbies, here's a gold star. Lobby dodging is in no way as bad as DCs. If I'm playing a killer besides Ghostface and see 4 neon Nea's load in with flashlights, you can bet your salt I'm dodging that lobby. If I have to choose between wait 5 minutes for a new lobby to fill in, or go through 15 minutes of hell on a map like Blood Lodge, I'm waiting for another lobby. Unless the killer is REALLY skilled or playing Spirit, Billy, or Freddy, a 4 man SWF bully squad with purple flashlights/toolboxes with great addons is borderline unfair unless the killer camps and tunnels. I'd rather wait for a game where we can all have fun than play a match where I'm basically guaranteed to not have fun and get bullied for 15 minutes unless I resort to scummy tactics like camping and tunneling.
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Killer DC is far worse then survivor DC on PS4 because of horrendous survivor queues.
Lobby dodging is damaging to matchmaking as well.
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Most survivors have a viable reason to DC in the first place. Most of the time it's because of tunneling, camping, Mori tunneling, or Mori spamming.
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Lmao, match making takes forever, tf are you talking about? Sound like a killer main with that nonsense
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There's a diffetence between dodging before a game and dcing mid game when things don't go ur way
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At least your killers dodge lobbies when you bring a flashlight. My killers bring an ebony mori when they see a flashlight in the lobby. It's why I have to switch to my Quentin with nothing on before the game starts, then switch to my David with a flashlight at the last second so they don't bring those stupid ebonies because they're scared of the light.
To the people who say that dodging a lobby is nothing like disconnecting. I disagree, both are used for the exact same reasons. If someone DCs, it's because they don't like what they're versing most likely. When a killer dodges a lobby, it's used for the exact same reason. The only difference is the killer knows what he's going to be facing whereas the survivors don't, so in order to "dodge lobbies", they have to load into the match. Also when a killer dodges the lobby that causes tons of issues on PS4, and longer queue times for survivors. The only difference is the method in which the game is dodged. If you couldn't see survivors, you'd probably DC too once you found out what you were up against if you didn't like it.
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On the subject of DC's doesn't everyone think the problem would be like 80% solved if they removed the leave game button?
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Lobbies are quick for me. And I don't have to worry about lobby dodging killers because I'm a solo survivor ;)
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I've seen quite a few lobby dodges and I'm generally a solo survivor as well.
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I see them occasionally as well but not often enough to be an issue. I'm guessing that when people lobby dodge, it's not for some random reason like oh there's a flashlight. I once had someone messaging me asking me to stop queuing for a bit because they didn't want to play with me back to back to back. Wonder if OP is experiencing something similar.
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The only reason to Lobby dodge is for ping issues, any other reason shows how cowardly a player is, if they lobby dodge they're probably a scummy player anyways so maybe that saves you from a toxic experience
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Let's be honest though wait times are more than the actual game.
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You just made me cackle XD
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Both suck but a lobby dodge is far different from a game ruining DC (be it killer or survivor).
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It's the same almost for swf. 5mins at list to find a new game on ps4 100% of dodges. Dcs? They occur at different times in the game mostly, so there's a 30% chance this will impact alot your game most don't do that much.
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Really wanna compare abandoning your friends ingame, ruining it not as much for the killer but for the survivors itself that now will have one less teammate, that left for being a bad player, to being abandoned in a lobby when the match hasn't even started? wow. come on my boy, you're better than that; Both the DC'er and the dodger are probably players who want easy wins, but both cases are far from being even matched.
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So what you're saying is that if survivors DC during the loading screen it's fine, because the game will be cancelled and they'll just have to search for another lobby. Noted. Does that mean we can petition to bring dcs during the loading screen to not be punished?
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You don't want to volunteer being a punching bag but survivors don't know they'll be a punching bag until guess what?, they get a killer making them one and they DC. DC isn't to go ahahhaah i got you, people DC because they're sick of being punching bags, glad you see both sides now
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Just now. Game was less than a minute
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No one or everyone has committed to the game entering the lobby. Survivors can't see the killer so don't get the option to dissolve lobby because they see mori or killer but killer gets to see survivors, who they come with and items and gets the choice to swap killers, add on and offering while also goijg, well o don't stand a chance so I'll dissolve it. That's exactly on point with a DC. DC is happening because a survivor finally gets to see what a killer could see upfront. Either hide the survivors fully or show the killer to survivors or punish lobby dissolve by the killer, who is host so ping is fully on them, the same as you punish survivor DC point blank
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Hook suicide, if you don't want that to happen stop camping the hooks lol. You're upset when someone dies that you put on a hook? Get real
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I'd love to find a game as quickly as you claim is possible when a killer dodges my lobby.
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how do you know you were dodged multiple times with the same people if you weren't a swf?
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I get lobby dodged just for using the bloody hand on ash lol
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When exactly is the middle of the match to you? 2 minutes in? 3,5? Matches average about 8 minutes and by 4 minutes you may have learned who the killer is, if they're spamming a chainsaw to 1 hit down or if they knock items out of your hand. They're pretty much the same. If a killer is ditching lobbies at fear of loss, why can't another DC at fear of loss? You're rewarded and do not derank because someone else has dced.
You're playing a public game worried someone else might see your play style and judge it so you skip lobbies? You're playing against strangers who judge your play style anytime you join a match that isn't kill your friends. If you don't want that don't play ranked matches because it's going to happen either way.
The loading in and seeing ping is survivor ping to your connection. A bad ping and you skip lobbies is only favoring the survivor not yourself. You don't lag out from bad ping the survivor connecting to you does.
You specifically don't want to be a punching bag but you don't mind if the survivor is, what a double standard.
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And survivors not being able to dodge what they like because THEY can't see what stuff the killer uses or what the killer is, so they dc in game when they see a spirit. It get's annoying getting dodged. Just 6 second swap, you'll save a lot of your time.
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This is just proof of the double standard though. You don't want to play against streamers so you get to dodge early. I don't want to play against a face camper, Tunneler, slugger, but I don't get to dodge, I have to now play against them, and deal with a crappy round or DC and get punished, while you get to dodge streamers without punishment.
FYI, I classify them as follows;
Tunneler - chases, hooks,and in unhook, immediately chases again.
Camper - Hooks and either face camps, or goes just outside of that terror range and waits
Slugger - Downs a player and goes to search for another to down, rinse repeat.
Games like these are just plain boring. If you play that way and enjoy it, great, I'd like to dodge you instead of being forced to play that, thank you very much.
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All of witch are part of the game.lol
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5 your lucky I'm waiting at least 15. Then I get dodged because all other surv. have tools or torches. Just happened 5x in row.lol
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maybe youre on console so i will explain, on PC when you Que as surv you join lobby (on dedicated server), and you stay in that lobby until game starts or you leave lobby
and then we were sitting in that lobby and on bottom right we have dbd logo with 4 vertical lines (survs) and 1 horizontal (killer) and when there is player those lines are grey, if they accept are red and in the end if there is all 5 players in lobby countdown begins, but when killer dodge lobby isnt disbanded, survivors there are just waiting for another killer to join (so survs dont have to create new lobby/join long que again if killer dodge) and i noticed countdown 8 times before game started and that means 7 other killers dodged lobby (and there is other case if killers dont know about it and believe its 4 men swf that answers why entitled killer mains thinks they play in 70% of games vs 4men swf)
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Lobby dodging is fine. If they take away the ability for me to dodge a team full of Blendettes, I’ll just Alt+F4. It’s hard enough to deal with SWF, I don’t want to go blind looking for a group of Predators.
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Gen Rushing - Honstly I don't get this. Match starts and survivors are separated (Not always). they each hop on a Gen (The Objective) and start it, you find someone and chase them and 3 gens pop shortly after... that's an unforntunate break, but it's not a team trying to screw you. Plus it's easy to fix. Pressure the gens. If one pops while you're chasing someone and haven't hit them yet, or downed them, consider going back to the gens, force the others off and moving around, especially if the person running you is intentionally pulling you AWAY from the Gens. Plus if you get in a lobby and you see 3 toolboxes, You can dodge ahead of time if you really wanted to.
Tbagging, flashlight clicking - I agree. This is just poor sportsmanship and I hate it as well. But to note, these actions don't prevent you from earning points. they annoy and it shouldn't be done, but you are still earning.
decisive strike - Perk... I may hate NOED, and don't feel you need it on certain killers, I don't want to see it changed or removed, nor do I care if I go against it. DS is easily avoidable, especially if you are already in chase with someone else, or down the hooked person, come back a minute later if you haven't caught the guy who unhooked him. Preferably, go after the idiot who unhooked him in front of you, trying to farm points.
Dead hard - ...Seriously? You hate Dead Hard? on average when it comes to dead hard is an extra 3 seconds of chase, ONCE. Once you see it, if you're chasing the same guy again, just get close, watch them dead hard an attack that isn't coming, then hit them. I've only seen it used ONCE where it actually significantly increased the chase time, all the rest were just jokes. admittedly, I've not hit red ranks with killer, yet, but I've come close, rank 6.
but none of this matters, You stated "o leaving in the middle of the match and wasting everyone's time." well how do you think I, or OTHER DC'ers feel when you tunnel, camp, or slug us? It's a complete waste of time, it sucks, and plain and simply, we HATE it. Unlike several of the things you mentioned though, These 3 styles were YOUR choice to play. You chose a play style that benefits ONLY you. It doesn't thrill, excite, or entertain the others (Game is designed for 5 to entertain each other, not just yourself). So if you wasted MY time with these play styles, why shouldn't we waste yours? you provide us that thrill, that jump scare, that entertainment, and we'll continue to play and entertain you.
But forcing players to play against toxic constantly, it's just not in the cards. People will quit. And when Behavior realized maybe they should find a different method to dealing with the actual problem, then they might return.
If you want examples of this, look at the original Star Wars MMO. The original was fun, people enjoyed it, but asked for a couple of changes, to enhance game play. No one wanted a handout in the game, they just wanted some combat styles tweaked. Instead of listening to the player base, they completely redesigned the combat system to something that just sucked. Some left, others asked it be changed back, or fixed. Again ignored and more people left. The game spent so much time ignoring the player base, they lost a vast majority of it. By the time they started listening,. it was too late. No one cared, the game went under. No one wants to see that happen to DBD, but if you keep forcing changes like this, force players to play rounds that just plain and simply suck, the same thing will happen. So I ask you, If you have to keep playing rounds that plain and simply SUCK constantly, How long before you quit? Ask yourself Honestly.
I've offered suggesting on another thread or 2 on how to combat DC's already, but I don't think any of them will happen.
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Blendette and predator are hardly comparable, Blendette isn’t really that hard to see.
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You're mad at Gen rushing. That's literally the only thing a survivor can do to leave outside of wait for 3 to die and hatch out. You just want the game catered to you and against survivors. You don't like D/S because you camp and tunnel the literal reason survivors DC 😂 😂 😂
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When a killer leaves the lobby force closes and you must create another lobby on Xbox, then wait all over again for folks to show up. Killer is host and lobby dodging kills the full setup survivors have done and they must then make a match, setup offering and what they're bringing then invite or join another lobby, wait for a killer, pop into their lobby then hope they don't lobby dodge to rinse and repeat. The whole process of a killer lobby dodging takes about 1 minute less than an entire match dc. Punish killer dodging that simple
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Ah okay so I found a match to play, wait in lobby, my friends ask if we can go play and I have to say no no no I need to play otherwise I get punished? Somebody rings the door, be punished for either being afk/bot farming or leave and be punished as well?
Can you ######### stop to act as if survivors/killers are diffrent players? Nobody should be punished for leaving a lobby before the game has started. This is the worst idea ever.
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