This is what I get from these forums.

@1Handirl said:
The killers want to 4 kill every game and the survivors want to escape every game. Since buffing killers to the point where 4 killing every game or buffing survivors where all 4 escape every game is not ideal. Just meet in the middle ground. A balanced game would mean on average there would be 2 sacrifices per game. A balanced game would also mean getting BP should be just as ez on survivors as it is on killers.

Every complaint from ppl rank 20-9 are useless to listen to. Game has to be balanced around end game since these are the ppl who play the most and have more game knowledge.
ex. Rank 15 killers complaining about getting bullied by rank 1 survivors.
ex. Rank 15 survivor saying X killer is OP bcuz a rank 1 killer killed his whole team easily.
Complaints like these usually end with ppl saying Git Gud.

Currently at Rank 1 Solo Survivor Most games are 3 sacrifices + 1 escaped thru hatch, then 4 kills, and those are followed by 2 or 2+ escapes every now and then (like 1 out of 5 games).

At the moment the "balanced game" can be achieved by chasing the first guy for 3-4 gens, camp him to death and then get a last one with NOED. (if lucky)

Personally, I wouldnt call this balance.

And yeah, matchmaking needs to be fixed. A swf MUST play against a killer which has the same rank as the highest ranked survivor in the SWF

Jonathanskilz said:

@powerbats said:

@SovererignKing said:
Survivors are still fresh off the nerf train from Pallet Vaccum and such. They haven’t adapted yet. Meanwhile, the Killers of old have had to hone their skills to the point of insanity when that bullshit was still in the game and they had to deal with it. 

Yet this ######### still exist in the game. Literally all the Survivors have to do is NOT screw around. When they focus rush their object, it’s more or less a GUARANTEED loss for the Killer. 

The game is still wildly unbalanced in favor of the Survivors if they simply DO NOT screw around. Survivors can still make the choice. They can choose to just flat out win, or they can choose to dick around and have a possibility of losing.

Ok survivors have to not screw around hu well that's funny because rank 1-2 ahs been 3-4 k almost every game. I've gotten hatch I beleive 1 or 2x and 1x time through exit gates. In every other game I've been sac'd off along with 3 others 95% of the time. There's been 4 games recently where 2 ppl got out.

I've had Billy's Nurses, a Leatherface who rage quit earlier after he lost me as Meg and the Claudette who was dead on hook. This despite the fact he'd sac'd 2 already and I was going to be stage 2 on hook. I've had Warith's do really well along with Trappers and Hags as well as Freddy's.

Oh and we did focus rush teh gens as best we could despite Ruin, etc and yet we still got wrecked. So no the survivors don't have a choice of dicking around and losing or flat out winning. Perhaps there's a skill difference by region/platform but pc rank 1-2 has been killer lopsided.

first vid looked like a baby killer dident leave chase and chase someome else tbh

He was not a “Baby Killer” he chased two different people. Issue was they had two Jungle Gyms’s and the Barn all in one little spot. The terrible map design screwed him. There shouldn’t be such overpowering places that allow for a Survivor to 1v1 a Killer for more than 30 seconds. Not to mention we still had the Killer Shack and more Jungle Gyms. He got screwed by map RNG and lightning fast Gens. Hell, the David went AFK for 30 seconds and it still took us barely over 4 minutes. 

powerbats said:

@SovererignKing said:

He was not a “Baby Killer” he chased two different people. Issue was they had two Jungle Gyms’s and the Barn all in one little spot. The terrible map design screwed him. There shouldn’t be such overpowering places that allow for a Survivor to 1v1 a Killer for more than 30 seconds. Not to mention we still had the Killer Shack and more Jungle Gyms. He got screwed by map RNG and lightning fast Gens. Hell, the David went AFK for 30 seconds and it still took us barely over 4 minutes. 

So more excuses to justify bad gameplay on the killers part go figure. He comes out of 2nd story window and see's a Claudette going for gen. He doesn't throw a single vial of tonic near her to slow her down nor does he thrown any until she's across the street. When he finally does throw a bottle it's well behind her and he continues the bad play after that.

The terrible map design didn't screw him his own bad play did since I've played against Clowns on that map plenty before. They don't ever make such bad plays.like that and if they see a survivor like he did. They'll hit them with tonic right away.

More stupidity for someone who doesn’t play Clown obviously. Clown bottle toss isn’t Huntress hatchet toss. He lob’s the bottle, he doesn’t throw it. It’s a slow and large arc. The Claudette was running away already, as soon as they saw me climb out the window. If I threw a bottle it would have uselessly landed behind her. Secondly, again, you don’t throw bottles AT Survivors to slow them down unless they are in the wide open and you are close to them. You throw them ahead of them to cut off routes.

“Bad play”, sure, it’s “bad play” to have no chase last more than 30 seconds. Let me guess, you’re some god tier Killer that every chase you do last less than 15 seconds and you never get Bloodlust level 1? 

Map design was the game where I was Survivor, not the clown. 

powerbats said:

@SovererignKing said:

He was not a “Baby Killer” he chased two different people. Issue was they had two Jungle Gyms’s and the Barn all in one little spot. The terrible map design screwed him. There shouldn’t be such overpowering places that allow for a Survivor to 1v1 a Killer for more than 30 seconds. Not to mention we still had the Killer Shack and more Jungle Gyms. He got screwed by map RNG and lightning fast Gens. Hell, the David went AFK for 30 seconds and it still took us barely over 4 minutes. 

So more excuses to justify bad gameplay on the killers part go figure. He comes out of 2nd story window and see's a Claudette going for gen. He doesn't throw a single vial of tonic near her to slow her down nor does he thrown any until she's across the street. When he finally does throw a bottle it's well behind her and he continues the bad play after that.

The terrible map design didn't screw him his own bad play did since I've played against Clowns on that map plenty before. They don't ever make such bad plays.like that and if they see a survivor like he did. They'll hit them with tonic right away.

powerbats said:

@SovererignKing said:

More stupidity for someone who doesn’t play Clown obviously. Clown bottle toss isn’t Huntress hatchet toss. He lob’s the bottle, he doesn’t throw it. It’s a slow and large arc. The Claudette was running away already, as soon as they saw me climb out the window. If I threw a bottle it would have uselessly landed behind her. Secondly, again, you don’t throw bottles AT Survivors to slow them down unless they are in the wide open and you are close to them. You throw them ahead of them to cut off routes.

“Bad play”, sure, it’s “bad play” to have no chase last more than 30 seconds. Let me guess, you’re some god tier Killer that every chase you do last less than 15 seconds and you never get Bloodlust level 1? 

Map design was the game where I was Survivor, not the clown. 

You mean more excuses for bad play and toss/throw/lob it all equals the same thing basically and once again you're trying the troll semantics bs. You could've easily put the bottle in front of her you know like most clowns do. It's almost as if you don't know how to anticipate where to throw the bottles instead of like where you did. Also HE DOES THROW THEM or did you not notice the over hand throw. If he were lobbing them he'd still be considered to be throwing them.

Lobbing - To hit, throw, or propel in a high arc

So you just admitted you throw the bottle ahead of them to cut off the escape route yet you threw 1 way behind her. You screwed up during that game nothing else but you. was at fault there. I also never said 30 seconds but nice try with the logical fallacy response proving yet again you'e got nothing.

Also notice how I never refenced the other video I only referenced the video where you did badly as killer. But yet again you try to throw something irrelevant in to make your argument look better. Again it didn't work, you were a bad clown there and trying to insult me doesn't change the fact that you were the issue there nothing else.

“Way behind her” You mean at the fence vault where the bottle landed right where I wanted it, at the vault? Bottle travel time is slow. Again, it’s a lob, not a throw. It’s not Huntress. I can’t change how fast the bottle travels. It landed right where I wanted it. On the wall to make the gas spread instantly? At the Pallet near the car I was expecting him to throw down, so he would be slowed while I broke it? Or at the last Pallet where I hit the side of the shead and went the route to the right. That way he would have to run through the gap in the fence on either side, which lead to nowhere and no Pallets. Either that or he could run the circle around the trees and... right into the gas. (Which is what he did). 

Semantics? Didn’t know it was “semantics” to note the difference between a hard throw, and lobbing something. Huntress throws, Clown Lobs. The difference is how hard you do it. Which affects travel speed. Which is a very key factor in judging distance and where to aim. 

I didnt screw up, you just have no idea what you’re talking about. You have no idea how to play Clown. You want to think you play Clown just like you would play Huntress. Doesn’t work that way. 

Logical fallacy? It’s literally relevant to the topic at hand of how fast the gens are. Even though I didn’t screw up any chase and wasted almost no time, didn’t have a chase last for more than 30 seconds (which by the way, it’s ideal for chases to last at minimum 30, Maximum of 45 seconds as per M.Cote. and the other developers.) even with other chases in that video lasting less than 10 seconds, it was still way to fast for me to do anything about it. You should probably look up the definition of logical fallacy. 

You literally referenced the “poor map design didn’t screw the Killer”. The poor map design was the Survivor video, not the clown video. 

Im not trying to insult you, you’re doing it all on your own. I don’t even have to insult you. You have no idea how Clown plays. Do you even pay attention to what you write?