I can beat it, it’s just boring to play against

You act like these things make hook suiciding OK. They don't.

DL?

Ah

Whats forever Freddy? I have seen the term being used a lot recently but i still dont get it

I wonder how many players habitually DC after poor play but regret it and wish they toughed it out. I’ve had so many games turn around that it’d be a shame if I had just quit before seeing how it goes.

I find that playing in losing situations are incredible practice for future games as well. Maybe sitting on a hook is good down time for the people who have been discouraged from DC’ing to work through their emotions.

I wouldn't do 30 minutes the first time since DC's via actual crashes happen sometimes, so I'd instead have the first tier be 5 minutes, then 15 minutes and then from there it doubles each time.

Remember the idea is to discourage DC's so it's not done excessively, not to ban people who have computer problems sometimes or who have irl things pop up occasionally.

If it fairly quickly gets to the point where it takes longer to DC and reque than it does to just play the game out until the end then that should already filter out most of the people who don't have legit reasons to DC

Blatant appeal to tradition fallacy. Just because something is in the game doesn't make it ok.

Your quote has absolutely nothing to do with the claim that suicide on the hook is ok. Using the Escape mechanics to escape being important does not making using that same mechanic to ######### ok for the same reason using your collision with other Survivors to body block the other Survivors to death is not.

And even if they were explicit it still wouldn't let you make the claim. Devs are human and they can be wrong when talking about things beyond hard data, so even if they explicitly said it was ok that wouldn't MAKE it ok. At best it being ok for independent reasons would cause them to declare it as such, but the devs word alone isn't itself a reason for it to be ok, let alone the sole reason of it's currently possible thus it's fine or as you put it "its part of the game whether you like or not therefore, it actually IS okay."

Again, this is a logical fallacy. Something existing is not a reason why it SHOULD exist. And someone saying it should exist is ALSO not a reason why it should exist.

You need to actually list out the pros and cons of it existing and then make a case for why the pros outweigh the cons. That way it at least meets the minimum requirements for an argument.

I am though, just like I'm okay with hook suicides. They are apart of the game, devs have made it clear. Killers have free will on camping, go watch one of the OG trailers. It literally says you can use camping as a strat!

My arguement is devs have stated "It's apart of the game" and that "it's here to stay"

If devs say it's apart of the game = here to stay = it's okay to do it if it's apart of the game

go complain more somewhere else. Not liking something that's apart of the games fine, saying it isn't okay is just your subjective opinion.

Yeah it's a good thing their opinion matters more in this situation. You know, probably cause they built the game and all.

Lmao

Because the devs saying, in their own game they built, for you to play and enjoy, that attempting to escape on the hook, followed by the struggle phase, also followed by the fact you dont HAVE to struggle on the hook if you dont want to, is okay

but for you to go ahead and call it subjective makes any of your arguments meaningless now. If the devs state something about the game, it's probably an objective view. They built the game and are stating facts about the nature and what's acceptable and not.

If hook suiciding isn't okay, what? You want the struggle phased to be removed and you wanna force me to stay in the game? okay. Like atleast give a good alternative to this "not okay" activity!

Pure punishment achieves little if the underlying reason why people DC persists. You see this in other games, they implement penalties and then you see mass player defections. Blizzard has a good white paper on win-back rates and how it is more important to quickly remedy actual or perceived problems because winning players back is often impossible. The players that aren't happy and DC, will now suffer a ban or simply stop playing altogether.

“Boring” is subjective. Freddy is the most boring killer to face for me personally. It’s the same thing you do with Clown. Throw down the pallet early and run to the next loop. At least I’m entertained by Clown laughing after he gets a hit. Freddy legit makes me want to fall asleep. I’ve never been a huge fan of Nightmare on Elm Street so I have no connection to Freddy. Probably the most boring and unfun killer for me to face. A subjective opinion.

I don’t even like playing as Freddy. I hate the look of the dream world.

Saying all that, I won’t DC against him. I might give up and stop struggling against Forever Freddy.

Players just find different killers fun or boring to go against. I love facing Myers, Plague, Huntress, and Nurse. I think Spirit, Ghostface, Billy, and Freddy are boring as hell. Doesn’t make players whiny, just varying opinions on certain killers.

Suiciding on hook should absolutely not be punishable, what??? That would literally be punishing for using a game mechanic for one of the things it can be used for.

Given a month until it's reset I'd still have at least 3 relatively light punishment (30 minutes or less) tiers simply because some people have a good non-crash and non-ingame reason to DC from irl matters, such as if they are a parent.

If it's a weak reset then it can afford to ramp up faster of course and the less time it takes to reset the faster it can ramp with at least 1 light initial punishment regardless of the reset timeframe.