Hurts to think about this game's potential.

The fact is the game is more popular now than it was 6 months ago, than it was last year, than it was 2 years ago... More ppl are currently logged on RIGHT NOW than back then. Thats not something any of its competitors can claim. The "DBD Killers"...are all dead.

Real talk discussion time. Can you think of anything DBD could do besides mechanical issues (Fix framerate ect) that its failed competitors havent already done? We dont wanna emulate something that didnt work. The devs already know the need to work on framerate for consoles, so suggesting it over and over again is just beating a dead horse at this point. They currently have their hands full with dedicated servers which is... struggling atm to say it nicely.

Well.

I want to ######### play the game so I'll keep suggesting it

I don't think playing with 2 frame per second is nice

The point is

Stop adding cosmetics

Stop bullshitting around

Fix the game

Thanks

I think they play it safe too often. This is because of the demand they set themselves to achieve. It's frequent updates which require excessive work on specific areas. They just don't have the manpower, time and resources to deal with more on their plate at one given time. They're not doing terribly however their shortcomings are kinda clear, I hope they work on them.

Fortnite already accomplished this, but I think not only the discounts are driving people to the game, but also some movie killers such as: Michael Myers, Freddy, Pig, Demogorgon, and Ghostafce.

Though OP does make major point, the game is unbalanced, and all the Devs are doing is ignoring feedback, and are just releasing cosmetics.

The thing is the game is slowly growing, mainly because DBD has poor player retention. If the Devs decided to fix the game, and balance it, it would increase the player retention.

You basically explained my point about player retention, and how DBD barely achieve a small player retention.

You had me until I saw "The faces of Behaviour are all friendly and nice." and I say this due to the fact as to what I've heard about things they've said in the past. Such as:

"Get good or find a new game." or a friend told me he asked in a livestream at one point in his dbd time why can't we see the killer's profile when they can see survivor's and he was told to shut up, he didn't know what he was talking about. There's also much more I'm sure than these two examples.

Not to mention after updates, nerfs, whatever, I see so many people crying that BHVR didn't listen to the community ... How is that nice towards the community if BHVR doesn't truly listen all the time?

I also get bugs may not always be the easiest to fix but the fact that some have been around for months and months or even more than a year, it does not seem like they're doing much to actually fix the game. BHVR, if you actually care about your game and community, please do something. I like the game, don't get me wrong but BHVR needs to actually show me they care about their community and stop acting like this.

Personally, I don't think BHVR goes 100% for this game simply because it has no competition. As you said, there is no competition that's worth their weight besides maybe Identity V, but since that's a Phone exclusive, I don't see it as competition. They know we'll always come back because it's so unique, so they don't give it 100% because they know people will always stay.

it's why I hope Last Year's steam release makes it very successful, so BHVR has competition and they can hopefully start listening too the community more. I want both games too be the best they can be, but BHVR IMO has gotten lazy and are happy with the bare minimum instead of going all out.

I know when a company isn't trying, it's happening in dbd. DBD has had bugs since launch that still haven't been fixed, there hasn't been a single update where the game didn't get filled with 800 bugs. They rarely ever listen too the community on anything balance wise (looking at you, rework Nurse.), and they even stopped the weekly dev streams where they actually communicated with the community. They are doing the bare minimum IMO.

And for another company, look at Bethesda's Fallout 76. It's pretty much Fallout 4 with 800 more bugs, micro transactions, looboxes, and a dumb yearly membership for content that should be base.

It is doing better then the rest, but that doesn't mean BHVR is doing the best they could. Where did the weekly dev streams go? Why are bugs from the games launch still in the game? Why is there very little community feedback when it comes too buffs/nerfs?

Do you have any idea how difficult it is to fix bugs, especially in a 3-year-old game that's had dozens of patches, big and small? A single typo in a single line of code, buried under years of band-aid fixes and patches designed to fix other unrelated issues, can cause a game to instantly crash, or completely break a core system of the game. Even the most polished modern videogames are not devoid of bugs.

Fallout 76 is not even functional half the time. It freezes and crashes constantly. Core systems of the game, like enemy AI, character animations or physics often stop working entirely. Not to mention that Fallout 76 is a full-price game that has its own pay-to-win cash shop. Also, Fallout 76 is a crappy game with terrible design and tedious, mediocre, cynically copy-pasted gameplay.

They may have stopped doing dev streams every week (Probably because it took a lot of time away from actually doing their job and working on the game), but they post regularly on their forums and reply to threads on a regular basis, which is more than most developers can say. Just look on the Overwatch forums, for example; the developers haven't replied to any of the popular balance-related topics on their forums in almost three months.

Not to mention that you're overlooking the countless instances where they actually listened to the community and acted upon their feedback: The community wanted Nurse changed, so they reworked the Nurse, twice. The community wanted Spirit changed, so they reworked Spirit, twice. The community wanted Legion changed, so they changed the Legion. I could go on and on; compared to its original launch, Dead By Daylight's gameplay is almost unrecognizable, as virtually every element of the game has been tweaked heavily since then, and nearly all of those changes were made based on community feedback.

And, in fact, just a couple of days ago, the developers made an announcement that they would be changing the level 3 tome challenges, in response to the community's feedback that the challenges were too difficult. During Thanksgiving week, no less.

Do you wanna know what the actual bare minimum is? Just maintaining the game's servers and never actually releasing any new content. It can be done with a tiny skeleton crew of developers, and it requires almost no effort or expertise whatsoever. There are countless games which do just that. The developers are anything but lazy; in fact, I suspect that they're being overworked to keep up with the demand for changes and new content.

Playing devils advocate here... Doing better than Bethesda on bugfixes isnt exactly setting the bar too high, lol. Bethesda's headline might as well be "Having bugs makes the game quirky, right?".

Sure, Im not saying bugs dont run rampant on many successful games. Using Bethesda as an example though is a joke since that company is KNOWN to release back to back buggy messes. If you said "Even Blizzard has many long lasting bugs in their games" would be abit different, but mentioning Bethesda... lol.

Thought the lawsuit was for the subscription service they released for fallout 76 that didnt provide all the things they said it would, and then they refused to give refunds to the people who asked after seeing what they ACTUALLY got. Either way, im too lazy to look it up atm so meh. Bethesda is known for 2 things. Bugs and successfully selling the same game to ppl 10 times, lol. All that said though...Skyrim VR is fun....

They don't have too talk about the behind the scenes every week, but it would be nice too have a 30-45 min QnA stream a week so we know the communities voice is being heard. ATM it feels like people are just shouting into empty air on the forums with constant "we'll look into it" or "we are listening." being shouted back, but nothing is looked into and they rarely listen.

I Think the most famous bug is the one where killers get stuck inside pallets when there dropped on them. It's constantly "getting patched out." but always comes back, most recent time was with Ghostface. Another one is the horrible Animation glitches, like when you get Adrenalin at the precise moment you get grabbed, so you just become a vacuume and slide across the floor on you're belly (personally had this happen too me.)

it's not really a glitch, but where is the optimization for DBD after 3 years? I guarantee a lot of problems could be fixed of the game was optimized better. As far as I know there isn't any plans for better Optimization, so why is that?

They're not going to get the license to the Nun it's not well enough known

There is a list of bugfixes under every patch.

What you failed to notice is all of these bugs were introduced 1 or 2 patches ago. They make a patch, add shitton of bugs, then fix it month later and everyone sees the huge list of bugfixes.

Working far better?

With something basically every game can easily do?

Indie developers used to have better hosted servers?

Games from 10 years ago could do dedicated servers and for some reason they can't make them work?

Because of the "engine"?

I think you all are just pretty much being irrational

The thread creator gave feedback. Negative feedback is still feedback. And if you think telling the devs you can't enjoy the game anymore because it has some issues pointing them out isn't feedback then you are a hypocrite who thinks only good things should be said.

Sweeten the Pill doesn't help Developers

It makes them lazy

And thinking they can always just say something, do the oppposite, and have people who defend them and just get away with it makes me sad.

Making a game is difficult.

But keep failing your audience expectation is your own fault and it doesn't have anything to do with the game itself being "old" or running on a particular engine.

Thank you.

Sounds like a pretty flimsy line of logic to me. Discounts will only get people to buy the game if they're already interested enough to spend money on it.

Netcode and lag compensation are extremely complex for any game with first-person shooter mechanics; even AAA developers have the same issues as DBD when it comes to netcode. Peeker's advantage, rubber-banding, and more. What's happening on your screen often ends up being quite different from what's happening on your opponent's screen, and there's only so much you can do to address that when limitations like ping exist.

Many free-to-play games, even if they have a small community, still do better than DBD? Name some for me? Because most free-to-play games with a small community just don't work on new content anymore.

Giving feedback is all well and good, but if you overlook everything the developers have accomplished, and all of the effort they've put into improving the game, then your feedback comes off as irrational whining over something that the developers have no control over. You're asking the developers to give you something that they do not have.

No developer can meet all of their audience's expectations, all the time, because the audience always wants more, and the audience as a whole can rarely agree on anything. Saying that they're a bad developer because they don't act upon every bit of feedback is patently false. If you act upon literally every bit of feedback, you're not going to please anyone.

When one person says "Nerf killers", and the other says "Buff killers", there's nothing you can do that will make everyone happy. And if you focus all of your efforts on fixing the game's bugs, then people will start complaining that new content and balance changes aren't coming out quickly enough.

Nobody's perfect, and if anything, there seems to be an issue with BHVR's leadership not setting realistic deadlines for things to get done. But my point is, if you're going to give feedback, be constructive and be realistic with your expectations. I guarantee that the developers will be more willing to listen to you that way.