Why is Borrowed Time intentionally badly designed?
Borrowed is not an overpowered perk. All it does is prevent camping killers, so why can't the perk be distance based instead of TR based. The perk won't work against a cloaked Wraith, NS Ghostface, Insidious whatever, Freddy, Dark Devotion users, Dead Rabbit T2 myers and more. And on the other hand, killers with a big terror radius get punished by existing. Just make the perk activate the killer is in a 32 meter proximity to the hook, and make it so mending is also distance based and not TR
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Agreed. BT is one of the only things you can use to save someone from a camping killer and you should be able to use it consistently against killers.
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I don't see the problem with the odd killers power having the ability to bypass a certain perk any more than OoO not affecting certain stealth killers.
While it is good against campers or tunneling, people often use it and abuse it to simply save a teammate when they otherwise would never have done so if they didn't have BT. Often as the killer is simply walking away or in another chase with someone else.
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Owo completely destroyed those killer's powers. Borrowed is an anti camping perk, and when people "abuse" it like you said, you are the one being benefited. Just hit the person you unhooked (you avoid ds and prevent the person to heal or work on a gen for the next 16 seconds) and go after the farmer
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Borrowed time is fine how it is. Survivors already use it as a get out of jail free card regardless of what the killer is doing. You might as well buff decisive strike and dead hard 😂
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owo
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Except that nowadays the anti-camping is the last reason you would use borrowed time.
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no one tell him about borrowed time before it was changed!
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Only a minority uses BT for anti camp. They use it to unhook in my face and then I have to slap a guy with BT and chase a healthy survivor. That is not a benefit for a Wraith, that's how the Wraith gets punished bc a great perk gets an unnecessary buff.
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I actually main stealth killers (Wraith, pig, Ghostface, etc.) And I agree with this, I wouldn't be too perturbed by that change at all
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True enough words
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Wait this isn't bait..you actually are saying BT needs a buff? You're serious?
BT is literally one of the top 3 best perks in the game and if anything it needs nerfs. It rewards bad plays and is unhealthy for the game. It is so highly abused.
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Of course it's bs. Don't get yourself a side. It's totally broken.
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Iuno, it's too easy to abuse in end game scenarios. I think it needs a cooldown, or it needs to apply exhaustion. Especially if they base it on distance alone.
It would be fair as is if all the pallets in the game were as safe as the badham rework pallets, but they aren't and won't be for a while.
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BT is a meta perk already. Why don't we buff DS, DH and AD in the same update?
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It is a badly designed perk. Because it allows for Survivors to make bad plays without getting punished for it. At least its not as bad as it was when it originally came out and gave the effect to both survivors involved in the unhooked action. Dark days those.
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I wholeheartedly agree. It makes no sense that the Non-camping killers get screwed over because they may be running something that makes terror radius bigger (map-wide)and the person getting unhooked gets endurance while the killer isn’t even nearby.
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In other words remove all form of counterplay from the perk including its "downside " meanwhile all killer perks must have a massive hole in its power and certainly cant be allowed to synergize..clearly a lot of thought being put on I see
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Instead of 32 meters, it should be 16 meters´then.
BT does NOT need another buff as its already the second best perk. ☺️
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People saying BT is one of the best perks, ok boomer, like only the last comment gave ant sort of useful information, and its not like he only gave one side he also mentioned how it hurts killers with larger radius' but yeah i think unless they can make it so certain stealth killers can somehow activate BT specifically by doing some bull**** like camping idk, i mean the easiest fix is when a killer is within like 8 meters (something small) BT will actuvate regardless of anything, but i can see how BT is considered "meta" despite being a meme
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Oh is THAT what that is? That's why so many people are unhooking the second I turn around? I never understood why people wouldn't at least wait til I was on the other side of the map before they made the save. It's all starting to make sense now.
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It’s a free farm perk. Saying that it is used for anti camping is just #########. We all know why are it’s soo overused and it has nothing to do with the incredibly rare campers...Can’t wait for it to get “normalized” too. They made this pert broken when they added the deep wound to it, and clearly overpowered when they broke the mechanic while trying to balance legion.
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I'm sorry what?
The way people abuse BT is not as an anti-camping perk, but isn't a free unhook where they don't get punish for it.
BT is already a meta perk, and its also promotes bad plays as most survivors use BT to just get a free unhook, where they know a killer can't do crap against it even though they aren't camping.
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I have been saying the same thing for a while now. BT is one of the few tools survivors have to prevent camping.
It should be distance based.
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I would be fine with a 24 meter range. I would also be fine with a 90 second cooldown on Borrowed Time. Both would be reasonable changes.
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Something else I want to say to the people complaining about Borrowed Time.
Think of it from a solo survivor's perspective. We are constantly being camped and tunneled by killers. It sucks when you try to rescue a survivor safely, but all of a sudden Mr. Ghost Face pops around the corner and downs the guy who just got rescued.
Point is killers are very big on trying to snowball off rescues. Survivors need something to mitigate this.
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Because Legion. They ######### the Deep Wound status hardcore when they nerfed Legion. It was already bad enough as it was with it being chase based. TR based is EVEN HARDER to down people with. Actually, scratch that, it's next to impossible to down people with.
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it is NOT fine. oblivious/undetectable should not be a free pass to camp just because bt wont proc. nice bait killer head
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I would argue for Borrowed Time to be distance based for two reasons. The first is consistency. The effect should be a consistent one. The second is a killer with a larger Terror Radius is put at a disadvantage compared to those with a smaller one. I propose a 24 meter minimum distance to keep it from triggering. With the trade off of Borrowed time no longer triggers during egc.
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Likely because I know at least one person on the DBD subreddit who would call borrowed time "OP" if it was distance based. Then again, that same guy calls everything survivor related OP and demands all survivor perks (such as DS, which is ok as is) to be nerfed to uselessness. Not naming names, they know who they are.
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Not everyone uses it to be annoying (I don’t use bullying because that word is so loosely thrown around here) Just like not everyone that camps does it to be annoying.
There is nothing wrong if they just changed it so the effect procs at the same distance as when you would normally hear the heartbeat.
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It should go back to the way it was. lasts for 15sec on either player who is hit and is used up if killer gets a hit. It stoped toxic campers who ruin the game for new players.
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“Only a minority use BT for anti camp.”
”they use it to unhook in my face”
then sir, you are camping....
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Because it's problematic in the sense it can't be to small of a range or killers can easily negate it or to large or survivors can be stupid with it
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True, and I wish people wouldn't assume "I have BT, so therefore any death is your fault." If I take a hit as I'm unhooked, I can't always get to some safety/lose the killer before I take another, especially late game with no pallets.
Also, OoO still shows you even if it won't show a stealth killer, right? That's a dangerous situation indeed! I love the concept as a solo player but am far too afraid to use it since I'm bad at chases. Although Freddy gives me enough practice in that exact situation, I suppose...
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Best solution is killer has to get moried by the unhooked survivor if the killer was within 16 meters when unhook happens and hits the unhooked survivor instead of the unhooker...
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Killers camp hard. Just watching the cries of, well I have to hit the OnE oFf hOoK. No you don't. You hit the healthy one unhooking and when they unhook you hit them again, boom they're down. Now either the fresh off the hook has to save the one who saved them or they run to heal and a 3rd player is forced to deal with the hook. That's 3 players dealing with the hook in a short time. However these noob camping killers would rather secure the single kill on the hook and hate BT/DS et al., that's not our problem. The guy farming is the one you want not the one being used for the farm. You just want to also farm the one the farmer picked out making this game suck. If you're not 32 meters in the hook, aka nuts deep on the one you hooked and putting pressure on the map, it's not a problem and if they run past you off the hook they still got BT for a few seconds. 😂 😂 😂
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Killers upset at those who suicide on first hook but killers also don't want BT to work. Ie they want the person coming for the hook only if they can't save the hook. If they save they want the one hooked.
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A lot about this game is badly designed. I am fairly sure that devs don't give much thought into what they put in. Maps like Lampkin lane, perks like object of obsession and nemesis, prayer beads or insta heals (yeah they got nerfed bohoo, they shouldn't have existed in the first place) and moris vs keys.
You can clearly see that they wanted to ensure that for each game you got to expect something else and focus on other things but didn't realize how this turned the game into an unbalanced and unfun gambling match. In balanced games things don't lean towards one side this heavily.
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Killers that complain about it tunnel or camp
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I think everyone is missunderstanding the point of the thread. Some killers are 30 meters away, so when a survivor unhooks, then the unhooked receive the BT effect. Is that fair for you? No, you didn't camp. You should not be punished for not camping, besides as the OP says, BT should work as an anti-camp perk, not punishing a killer who doesn't. Perhaps if you're being chased 5 secs then BT endurance effect is not applied, in that way we will stop those who save in front of you if you're in the middle of a chase.
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I haven't read through all of the comments, but as a general rule, as an Xbox player, I can say that BT doesn't need any changes, at least on console. We run into heavy camping and tunnelling killers, and BT is the one perk to help combat that. As someone who plays both sides, I don't camp because it's boring (unless endgame requires it), but many killers on xbox feel the need to. As a survivor, it feels necessary to run it because of the camping. It's frustrating that it's such a necessary perk.
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Uh no? I walk away from the hook for 2 seconds, and they immediately unhook with BT lmao. Imagine thinking that doesn't happen.
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You forgot Leatherface.
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My request is that BT be distanced based but in exchange MYC is now TR based, instead. More survivors use BT than killers use MYC, anyway.
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Exactly. Anti camping is only one of many things it does. It makes hooking survs in endgame completely meaningless for one thing. This perk is crazy good and doesnt beed ANY buffs. Nerfs more likely.
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You mitigate campers by doing gens. Thats literally it. If you want to discourage campers from camping then do gens and get 3 ppl out. Or 2 ppl can go for save then the save is as good as guaranteed if the rescuers have half a brain.
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Its literally one of the most meta perks in the game. Its a free hit how does it get stronger than that? Its up there with DS, DH, etc. Not a single killer game goes by where i dont see this perk being ran by at LEAST one surv for good reason. It allows survs to bully killers, serves as a perfect endgame perk, and functions as anti tunnel.
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I play survivor as much as i play killer, dude. Maybe we should discuss buffing weak survivor perks instead of, you know... a top tier survivor perk? That's like saying hex:Ruin or bbq and chili needs a buff :)
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So apparently hooking someone, and then a survivor unhooks the hook in front of your face means camping now.
Okay good to know, apparently just being around 1 second means your are camping.
Y'all heard it here folks, just about to leave the hook means your camping. Man I should have read the survivor rule book
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Because it requires intelligent play. Most killers will not camp anyway, and even if they use insidious/ stealth, it takes them a while to get out of it and actually catch the person (exception of GF, but he cant camp with his stealth anyway).
Its TR based because every killer must have their TR out to attack survivors.
If anything, its main counter is STBFL, since at 8 stacks, BT doesn't matter.
It's also tied to a status effect given by a killer, which I think was a massive mistake. Because in Buffing BT, they Nerfed Legion again.
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