Ran around on infinites... but let’s nerf spirit

I'm the slightest farm and Mac Millan loops are still there. Those Windows should be blocked.

Dude you can't always make it to the strongest loop from ANYWHERE on the map.

If there are no gens near that loop anyone that goes there is dead weight.

If they do the gens near the loop, that will leave gens AWAY from the loop uncompleted for you to patrol.

You chase them near the uncompleted gens, if they run to the loop let them go. Either they waste time healing before they come back or they try to finish the gen injured and you catch them. Widdle them down, change targets for survivors out of position. You can win these scenarios. Once you take out a survivor or 2, that infinite loop becomes less powerful because it will take them longer to do other gens.

The only map where your argument is valid is Ward because you can make it to the building from pretty much everywhere and that whole tile is a mess of a loop. But most other "infinite" loops are in specific parts of the map that are not always accessible at every moment.

I agree that maybe Spirit needed some cues, but I still think the nerfs were a bit much.

But there is also a point where you should just leave them alone and harass someone else. Someone goading you into a chase wants it, and if they're trying to get your attention, then they're not rushing gens. You'll be taking 2 people off gens for the price of one.

It's all about playing smarter at higher ranks... and having decent perks. People often say: just run ruin, but its too weak most of the time, since they just rush it anyway (besides, sometimes I don't want to base my build on RNG, but my own skill). There needs to be some other objective or something so that they cant just blow through gens and ruin a game for one of the participants.

Killer mains-this loop is infinite, I go through window, they already around it again waiting with all the distance to play, I run around, they already around waiting with all the distance to play, they all trying to keep it relevant for me by saving those 3 gens around there, so after I do move on, and get someone eventually they just need those 3 and will stay there doing each one, only way this was beatable was nurse, spirit and huntress, 2 nerfed into the ground and 1 requires good timing and aim, I don't want to have to play only huntress, it gets dull and they'll ask her to have some nerf because of the fact she can stop these god loops, as survivor mains always do, Freddy gives me time and teleportation but they know when I do and have to use him for time so I don't get into god loops, but then everyone DC cause they don't like being not overpowered, please fix loops better, cause no matter what I do to stop it I'm either trash for using a perk they don't like or I'm freddy/huntress (real talk, I have many hate messages cause I threw an axe #########?) It's driving me away from killer cause being a survivor is so much easier cause of these loops, and gen speeds

Survivors-can't god loop nerf them to death all hail Satan

I play both and using the S tier killers I still have an unfunny amount of more wins as survivor to killer, some killers use to be fun against, nurse, spirit etc that stopped loops from God, but survivor mains murdered them, now trying to kill another that gives the time so they don't even have to worry about these loops cause they'll reach the other side in time, before God loop is all you'll get, why can't survivor mains shut up, and git gud, spirit "no counter" sound, grass, backtracking, going into her funny enough all counters that made loops that aren't infinite, infinite through different means if you pay enough attention, but survivor mains can't do that cause they can't bully her, now she is as deadly as a caterpillar, nurse "OP POWER" backtrack forever, red rank still was never touched cause I backtracked at the right times (console, on PC it is harder cause of mouse, but double backtrack, she would turn thinking that's where you'll be and you just turned again, then don't double, now she has to 50/50 guess and you can time your own movement) now she is as deadly as a butterfly do not need killers anymore, the game will die, buff them, leave Oni untouched if he gets good performance, he will be asked by survivors for nerfs, already has been asked and he ain't out yet, this is survivors crying cause they can't bully the killer, that's not what should happen, killers should be able to bully survivors, I'd enjoy survivor gameplay more and killers will be just that, killers, as it should be

I couldn't agree more. I've been following the game since the Nightmare on Elm Street release, and only started playing during the Stranger Things release. I am a Rank 1 Killer, and Rank 1 Survivor, but I consider myself as a Killer main.

When I first started playing the game was really fun. I started playing Killer, and started with the Stranger Things bundle, and the Nightmare on Elm Street DLC (Always been my favorite horror movie). Sure I lost a lot, but I still had fun, because the people I was facing was learning too. I felt like I was catching people off guard, and competing in mind games.

Then I reached higher ranks, and started optimizing my builds, learned other killers. Even started to try Survivor. I put a lot of time, effort, and work to play to rank 1 as killer. Feeling pretty good of myself getting there, but the problem I was seeing in higher ranks, is the game is boring.

You're not catching people off guard anymore, survivors run to the nearest infinite loops, or other loops. You can't mind game them because you require them to use pallets as fast as possible, because if you don't drop the pallets fast enough you lose by their existence. A good example is that if you start working on a generator with 1-2 other survivors at the start of the match, and don't get off it till the killer arrives. You finish a gen before the killer can even make it to that side of the map. If you chase 1 other person, that's 3 other people on gens and a good survivor can finish a gen in 2 minutes or less. A game can end in 4 minutes with perks and survivor items/add ons, on the repair speeds alone.

It feels almost like if you play like a person, and try to play mind games with survivors. You lose because gens go up too fast. If you stop chasing 1 person, that person immediately goes onto a gen. You chase someone else who immediately peels into the nearest loop. If you try to mind game they just force you to loop. If you follow them, you get a pallet and they use an exhaustion perk to get to the next loop (which rank 1's would agree with me Balanced Landing, and Dead Hard are not actually the best exhaustion perks, Lithe is. It's more consistent across all levels, and more readily available than Dead Hard). The game in high ranks feels like if you play as a person, you lose, but if you play as a robot. You may win - if the survivors mess up a lot, and they unskilled ones who only got there on these exploits alone are the only ones who do.

Anyways, so here I am a Rank 1 Killer, and the game isn't fun anymore because it's more of a looping simulator now than it is an asymmetrical game. Here is my experience as a survivor.

I am a rank 1 survivor, and again i'm not a survivor main. I got rank 1 survivor from my first time trying in only two days. That's right. It took me 2 days as survivor to get rank 1 in the first month of me playing this game. How I did that. Well after all of my experience as a killer, I simply remembered the loops I saw high level survivors run to. I remember the most common perks I've seen as killer that made the game so easy for them. Copied that, and even though I was royal trash at the role. I was able to walk Rank 1 Killers who put the same time and effort into the game as I did through the same loops, and received no punishment for it the same as the survivors I faced. I knew from my experience as a killer main, how to counter Nurse, Spirit, Freddy, and other killers that many survivors on Reddit, forums, and in game cry are "broken" with ease, simply because I forced them into looping instead of mind games. (Nurse you can loop if you move the loop towards her when she prepares jumps, and away from her when she is recharging. Spirit you use sound notifications to confuse her, and hide your scratch marks. Freddy you stay awake, which is easier by having people who were recently hooked wake you up instead of running across the map to a clock, or failing a gen skill check. Etc. Etc. Etc).

Anyways it was too easy, far far far too easy to become a rank 1 survivor compared to a killer that took actual time, and research into knowing what's strong and what's not.

If I were a dev for this game, and asked what I would do to better balance it. I would say reduce the pallets in the level to make them more of a limited resource that players had to put in the effort to conserve. Make them think (If I drop this pallet, or loop him around this pallet will it punish us in the long run), or reduce the speed that survivors can repair gens, or make the survivors repair more gens, or reduce the survivors down to 3 instead of 4. However I think the later options are terrible, when there are killers that could take advantage of an even lower gen speed (Freddy), more gens (Freddy), and reducing survivors makes it hard to play with a group of friends. However reducing the pallets, could be a big game changer that makes survivor require a lot more skill to play. Another issue would be balance the game expecting the killer to get 3-4 kills a game, or change the ranking system that a killer considered to have won if he get's 2 kills in that game, because right now. If you are not getting 4 man sacrifices in rank 1-2, you black pip when balancing is expecting killers to only make 2 kills.

In conclusion the game right now is a looping simulator and no longer an asymmetrical game, and I would like to see it become an asymmetrical game again. Balanced Landing isn't the problem, sure it made some infinite loops, but infinite loops wasn't the problem. The problem is that Survivors can so easily loop killers in the time other survivors complete 5 gens without engaging in any kind of mind game (which it only takes 4 minutes to complete 5 gens).

Oh yes, just let them go. Then they go back every time. It's a map issue not a Killer issue.