The devs don´t care about the health of the game, they just want your money
I know I might sound salty but I´m so sick tried of BS that Devs give to us. Underwhelming or Useless Perks on both sides. deliberately coming out with weak or meh killers.Broken Maps that still need fixing. And don´t get me started on the toxicity. They refuse to listen to us on good feedback to help make the game overall a more fun experience. dbd is like a painted coin it looks nice on the outside and you pick but then the gold paint fades away to reveal the rusted sliver. The Devs only cared about the money dbd makes. I really Love Dead By Daylight, I really do, but I´m so sick and tried of band aid fixes. I really hope that devs stop being being money hungry and focus on The game´s health because if they keep up this type of behavior, Dead by Daylight won´t make it to year five.
on a positive note, The design are have really step up their game this year. The devs should really give them a raise.
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Then they would make dlc killers op not gutting them out like legion if they would care about money that much.
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Tbh i dont understand why are you complaining...
They gave survivors some good perks, Oni is their best killer they came out in the past 12 months, completely agree with you on the toxicity and the fact that disconnecting is the #1 issue right now.
Sorry to break it down to you, but every single company on planet earth loves money more than their players, you either accept it or leave the gaming world.
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The maps are probably the biggest sin in this game. How they didn't look at how bad map design was until after the plague chapter, I'll never know. I hope they really step it up in the map reworks and think about how tiles spawn and how big maps can be without being too big.
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Its this kind of attitude that causes so many of the problems in the gaming community. We should hold them accountable and stop just handing money over because "Its just the way it is." Accepting things leads to a lack of progress and change.
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I mean its really up to the players if they want to support the game, personally i just buy the chapters, i could buy cosmetics and stuff but i don't since i think they've been lazy lately personally and i don't feel like rewarding them for that, but there are other players that do it.
At the end of the day is up to you to decide if they deserve the money or don't, but telling others to do what you think, aint helping.
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Let's be realistic here, DBD team is doing what they think is best for the game and its long term health. They are still here years later listening to their fans and trying to keep the game going. You know what it takes to keep going? Money!
Do things need fixing? Of course! If you pay attention the devs are fixing and changing things all time. Sometimes changes are great (Freddy rework/ Spirit Changes/ Kindred buff/Tome 3 changes/ etc), and sometimes things miss fire and need further work... such as the sprint burst bug, MoM when it launched and now its current state, and this basement bug is a huge pain!
The point is they hear us, and they are working to make this game the best it can be... and sometimes that won't align with what you think is best or in a time frame you deem reasonable.
I am no programmer but I think when there are bugs and such its not an easy fix. You have a team looking at everything as swhole, what went wrong where, and how to fix it without causing further game breaking stuff.
Tldr; you need to chill.
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I'm not sure it's fair to say they're only interested in money. Yes, they're a business, so making a profit is of course a priority. They have to be able to pay their employees somehow, and on top of that they naturally want to increase their revenue so that they can do more as a company. But it's very clear to me just from watching them over the years that everyone on the dev team is genuinely passionate about the game and loves what they do. And I believe that the CMs actually care about the community and do listen to the feedback that they receive.
But let's play Devil's Advocate for a minute. Even if we accept the premise that the devs are only interested in making money and nothing else, it still wouldn't make sense for them to be deliberately releasing subpar content or ignoring the game's health. It's in their best long-term interests as a business to make the game as good as they possibly can in order to increase playerbase expansion and player retention, which leads to more sales and more ongoing revenue. They have literally no incentive whatsoever to intentionally release bad content or neglect the health of the game - which, as you rightfully pointed out, is crucial to the game's long-term success and therefore its financial potential.
We know that the developers are neither stupid nor insane, because if they were, the game would never have become as successful as it is. Thus, the only logical conclusion that can be drawn is that, in spite of appearances, and for whatever reasons they may have, noble or otherwise, the developers are trying their best to make improvements to the game by any means available to them.
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Thanks for informing me about my spelling error
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What about MOM? While it wasn't a killer perk it was obvious p2w money grab just to nerf it later but waiting for sales saturation.
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I honestly think that the original post couldn't be further from the truth however the way the game is handled has issues.
Bugs are fixed too slowly and anything substantial which is causing a fix likely gets the band aid fix or ignored.
The design team who create the cosmetics bring in all sorts of resources and possibilities to make the game more immersive but they stuck to pumping out cosmetics.
The Devs go back on what they say too often and when they're silent to address the outrage of players I don't quite understand how they haven't figured out what stance to take when things go wrong so we're faced with silence.
The Devs do great work however I think they need to act upon that which the community wants fixing or adjusting.
It feels like the Devs really care but they just never have anywhere near enough resources to fix/address things which have been problems for a while.
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I mean, how else are they suppose to push out new content. BHVR Interactive and Starbreeze are big companies that need money to push out updates, customisables, New content, and etc. Without the money they gain the game would be no more.
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So every dlc or almost every dlc, a new killer comes along that breathes new life into the game for the people that play him. Tell me what do survivors get? Perks and a skin you can waste another couple of millions of bp in so you have all those useless perks (with a couple of new ones) /items+addons .
Gameplay? Same, nothing new for survs ever.
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People are just now figuring it out?
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Yeah they did it several times with Ds aswell but they fixed all of them now, so tell me. Where is the nice pay to win now? And I mean, you know that the devs try to earn MONEY with this game? They are not making that for free.. if you cant handle that a game costs money then dont play it LUL.
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BHVR and Starbreeze are no longer working on the game together anymore and haven't since January 2018.
It's all just BHVR now
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You kinda contradict yourself you know
Your first complaint is that the devs only release subpar perks and meh killers
And then say they are only after our money
If they only wanted money don't you think they would release stronger killers?
Also i think the worst thing they can do is listen to our "good" feedback
95% of the feedback you see here would make the game die in less then a month if it was implented
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First you release OP things to milk them and then you nerf when you have no choice and most people bought it.
p2w = paying for advantage. Tell me that DS or MOM didn't give you above average advantage not available by other means fanboi...
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How about reading what I write and not typing randomly what you think?
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I disagree with this completely. The developers clearly care a lot for the game. Them making bad choices does not mean there is a lack of care, rather, a lack of understanding. They put a lot of work into communication and being open with the community as well as balancing. While many of the things they do (especially in regards to balancing) I disagree with, I still recognize the amount they care about both the game and the community. Their choices, of course, are subject to critique, however, I believe there is a genuine want to make the game better behind those choices.
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I literally did not know that.
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Here is the thing though, if you are going to ship a patch with two known bugs that basically make the game unplayable for survivors, then you as a company are saying that half of the community can get boned and you perfer money over trying to fix game destroying bugs.
They should have delayed the patch until they at minimum fixed the basement bug, I am 99% sure the community would be totally fine with them saying "Hey, we are delaying the chapter for the health of the game so we can fix a bug that makes survivor literally unplayable."
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Except survivors pay more than killers because they are the majority, so if they are money hungry, they would do what the OP said.
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I 100% agree updates and new content should be delayed until they know for certain its good to go (at least with no game breaking bugs)!
If they said 'hey gotta delay the next chapeter' or 'hey guys we are only going to release two new chapters this years to ensure they are high quality and work on game health' I personally would be pumped :) quality over quantity right?
Again, not a programmer, but I am sure bugs show up after the patch is live and the devs have to scramble to get a fix... which I am sure they are doing for the basement bug as we speak.
I think OP was being harsh in their post towards Behaviour. Yes things need to be fixed, but they listen to the community and are trying to keep this game going!
At the end of the day we can all go play other games and do other things while they get this basement bug fixed. Personally I have just been avoiding the basement area lol ^^
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See, the thing is, these bugs were well known in PTB, I encountered them at least a dozen times in ptb. But it was PTB, so it's understandable.
But to then ship the game with them in there with people being like "Hey, PTB is #########."
Also as a killer main, I abjectly don't take people to basement at this point.
It's not fun.
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At the same time, that new killer is usually mid tier at best, its very rarely a high tier killer. Yes new life comes along for like a month or two, but soon that new killer isn't seen much anymore and instead you see the usual top killers playing, because that new killer is weak.
Perfect example is the Demogorgon, it was seen in high tiers for like a month or two, but then the Freddies, Spirits, and the Billies were out again.
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Yeah they bought the publishing rights from them
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It's up to each individual player. Just because you think that we shouldn't give them our money because you think they are "money hungry" is an insult to the people behind the game and an insult to the people who pay to support said developers. Yes, they have made some bad choices throughout the years this game has been up, but they have also done a lot of great things. That's not them being careless about the game, but them not completely understanding what is good for DBD and what isn't (Prayer Beads, old Legion, etc.)
At the end of the day, the DBD team is doing what they, as the makers of their game, think is best for their game, when considering its long term health. The game has been up for years and they are still releasing tons of content for us! Do you know what keeps the content coming?
MONEY.
Of course, there are still things that need fixing. EVERY VIDEO GAME EVER MADE has problems that need to be repaired. But the fact that these issues are getting fixed means that they are actually listening to their community and give a crap about how we feel. Because if they didn't, their game, their product that they are selling to us, the consumer, would have failed years ago.
TLDR: Girl, you better chill.
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I don;t think its all about greed, but I think it has tainted the original vision. They said they wouldn't release any cosmetics at first. They did. And then they said they wouldn't release anything that affected the atmosphere of the game and make it silly. They have. They are still passionate, but they have compromised their vision in the name of profit. I also feel like having no competition has gone to their heads, as you could see in the anniversary stream it felt like me as a lot of self back patting and self congratulation. I'm not saying they don't have things to be proud of, but it often clouds their vision and what the game actually needs in terms of health and balance.
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Your just a noob baby survivor ggez
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######### Capitalism
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jokes on you, I´m a killer main
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Don't forget that instead of using ressources and putting efforts into fixing the insane amount of bugs, they rather keep releasing more and more comestics for you to pay, they are kinda admitting it
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Why would you resurrect a thread from December 2019?
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some things need to be said to get things moving
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If we get crossplay and matchmaking is sorted...I'm ok.
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They're new, they probably don't realise it's not something we typically do around here because there are some other forums where only one thread is allowed on any given topic, so necroing old posts is not only normal but encouraged.
@BibiL we try to avoid resurrecting old threads as a rule, to avoid confusion over possibly outdated information (among other things). If you'd like to post about a particular topic and can't find a recent thread discussing it (that is, within the last few days or so), feel free to create your own.
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I mean we can discuss about their money make politics but sayin that they don't care for game health doesn't makes any sense, sorry.
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