Need answer from dev. STOP IGNORING.

In any case though, I think that the number 1 thing that the devs need to work out is how to make a power like Legions harder to use.

And I don't mean worse, I mean HARDER, as in more plausible options than correct options relative to currently.

Since if Frenzy isn't a free hit then it can have big effects without being unfair, since the Survivor wasn't helpless against it in the first place.

My approach to this would be to add a startup, similar to the Oni but with a Trapper style LoS loss. And then a much faster and more deadly Frenzy can happen afterwards.

Not to be that guy, but maybe if it was more contructive than "Legion got gutted, I'm sad", which is all I saw so far, the feeback would be more worthwhile of attention.

In the mean time I played Legion all evening yesterday and I found him way better.

If you aren't already can you track how many Frenzy hits the Legion gets per trial on average?

Because in order for the mend changes to not be an overall nerf we'd need to see a 25% or more increase in the quantity of hits.

If we do then the counterbalancing made it not a nerf. He'd still need buffs but at least this patch didn't hurt him. If not then you nerfed him and REALLY need to buff him in response.

You mean used to dodge lobbies that look like this? (Solo queue survivor with instant queue times)

And I apologize for sounding rude or is it because you guys know matchmaking is broken and don't want people to be upset? Like, as a solo queue survivor with less than 3min queue times, this shouldn't be happening but it is

Unless they have text to speech they don't listen at all!

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''Hey can we have a 3 second stun?''

''No, I'm going to make your power less useful but I'll make you faster to compensate.''

''But I'm still punished when I use my power.''

''I can't make knee jerk reactions to something you've been complaining about for almost a year.''

''The speed buff to Legion is not a buff though, it was you reverting a huge nerf you put on them.''

''Ok that's it now your power is even weaker, DW is now effected by sprinting and no longer connected you at all so you can't control it.''

Why even bother complaining anymore when they don't understand what's going on. We asked for the Pin add-ons to be on hit and they straight up ignored us and made it on the 2nd person leaving the first person you hit with 0 pressure since Mending is crap and the Pin won't work on them and you're not chasing them. That makes no sense, that's stupid, in what world is that a good idea, oh my bad it's good for the Survivor because they don't have to suffer.

Why would you nerf a killer's power for new people? Everyone has to learn the game be it confusing or not. You are basically taking viability from a killer that was almost and now is useless at red ranks. Why not try to balance for your dedicated audience who stuck with the game and learned how to deal with certain killers? Might aswell make every killer have just m1 to not make it complicated for new players.

I Would like to know though if a legion rework has been discussed? I played legion and nurse almost exclusively from launch up until this update and both seem really underwhelming at the moment (ps4 nurse btw).

Doesn't matter if you care or not. You need to design your suggestions accordingly, otherwise you are wasting your time.

Simply reverting changes will end up with the problem they initially set out to fix still being there. So that's almost never the right approach.

pin changes were all common requests.

I'd like the find the person who requested pins only work on the second hit.

Legion sucks now he is so bad. YOu guys really messed up the new deep wounds mechanic. It makes NO sense.

Borrowed time is godmode strong now. Legion basically has the worst power in the game. Nobody even cares about deep wounds now. You can run across the map and never bleed and then heal in 8 seconds.

This is a joke, i will be leaving negative reviews on legion DLC and others to prevent ppl from wasting hard earned money on killer who is so weak. everyone just gonna play as Bill now or run borrowed time.

My lord do you all want to balance and develop the game. I have gripes and issues with the game as much as anyone but at the same time you all have to realize BHVR has over a million players playing their game and a list of issues to work with.

They've been making steady improvements to the game while expanding all around. On top of that they're adding new changes while trying to balance out the new with the old while trying to keep the group of you toxic impatient people happy.

Calm down, it's a game. Name me one perfectly balanced multiplayer (much less asymmetrical multiplayer) game? I'll wait....

Give them time. Patches cost money to put out so they can't push them out every damn day. Reworks take time and play testing, even with AAA studios they don't know how it will play out on live servers. The worry with Legion after the PTB was they would turn into a lighter version of old Legion, they immediately addressed it. They literally came out a year ago, there are a lot of issues on the docket. Breathe.

God bless you @Peanits. I'd go mad dealing with this lot day in and day out.

just revert the on hit changes, and reduce the stun a little. done.

I thought L4D was a fine game. I had no major issues with it, but my old inbox would tell me that it wasn't perfect for everyone. "Hunters should die in a fire and shouldn't be able to do more damage if they pounce on you while you're on fire." "Tanks shouldn't spawn at this point." "Survivors shouldn't be able to rush to the safe room that easily." "Smokers shouldn't have locations where they can pull you and no one can save." Those are the ones I remember.

people wouldnt have to dodge lobbied as survivors if matchmaking wasnt broken

of course if i was rank 1 i wouldnt want to play with someone who is outside of my rank zone, thats how its supposed to work in the first place.

I didn't say to revert the changes, i'm just saying that Legion's power is basically useless. With or without the change.

Okay then @Peanits riddle me this: who's asking for Killers like Pig and Legion's power to not function like a default hit? I haven't seen anyone asking for these Killers to be unable to apply debuffs on their ability hits. Legion maybe but certainly not Pig. And if anything Killers like Pig and Demogorgon are substantially stronger because of their ability to cheat the system with Save the Best for Last. Legion meanwhile is just worse off overall for pretty much no reason.

This is particularly funny because now with how fast you Mend against Legion they can often come back to you during a Feral Frenzy after you've Mended to stab you again, dus actually creating an "endless loop of mending." People were asking for Mending to be more "thrilling gameplay" by making it require skill checks or making Deep Wounds more of a threat or literally anything to make it more dangerous and less of a mild annoyance. But now Deep Wounds is a complete joke and you guys have completely missed the objective with nerfing it to make it "less tedious." It's MORE tedious now than it was before because it's a complete non-threat and you feel like you're just doing busy work instead of actually surviving. Combined with Legion's increased speed and their ability to actually chain stab more-often-than-not a Legion would run past you, stab you once, and then run off. And now you're forced to mend with zero option for intelligent counter-play since you can't strategically keep in the Killer's terror radius to keep the debuff from ticking down, which presented an interesting risk-reward between keeping close to the Killer while injured or having Deep Wounds tick down.

I really wish that you guys would just admit when you've made a mistake instead of going around in circles trying to insist that "the character just requires a different playstyle" or something along those lines. That mentality is what took us 2 years to rework Freddy after he was universally agreed on by 90% of the community that he was the worst Killer in the game. And what happened after Freddy was reworked? He was fun. People enjoyed playing as him, and he offered a unique experience when played against. He's a little too strong yes but I'd rather have one more strong Killer than for every match at Red Ranks to be Spirit, Nurse, and Hillbilly. And even if Deep Wounds wasn't a complete meme Legion still wouldn't be top tier.

A frenzy hit went from 16 seconds of stall down to 12. However his speed in frenzy was increased.

If the extra speed is enough to go from hitting 1 Survivor per frenzy to 2 Survivors per frenzy then that's a total stall increase of 16 to 24 per frenzy use for example, which is a buff.

25% is simply the threash-hold for it to be an actual buff. Since if 1/4 Frenzy hits now were gotten because of the buff to Legions speed, then that means his average stall per match is identical even if the stall per hit is lower.

If it's less additional hits than that then his overall stall went down since the additional hits would be insufficient to make up for it.

If it's more additional hits then his overall stall went up because he is getting disproportionately more hits and thus is applying DW on more occasions.

No one is disadvantaged because of a rework that a small group of people don't like it. You can't please everyone. Please bring a legitimate point to this discussion. No one is talking about discrimination, it's a basis of opinion. If the devs see that the majority doesn't have a problem, then it won't get fixed. Again, skin color is irrelevant. Everyone has to face the same killer, how THE SURVIVOR IN QUESTION deals with it is what matters. Perks they have, their play style, the killer's playstyle, the map, the killer's perks, and individual experience between all players inside of the match in question is what determines whether or not someone can handle any supposed "disadvantage". If they can't that's their problem and their petulant whining won't do anything to solve the problem at hand.

Pointless?