The majority of the time Ds counters tunneling. Will there be times that it punishes non tunneling behavior? Yes. Nothing works 100% of the time the way we'd like. But it does generally work as intended. Honestly if you want to counter Ds don't tunnel. That will counter it 90% of the time The rest of the time, slug them. Slugged or on hook they aren't doing gens. The amount of pressure is nearly the same. I will say Ds can certainly feel unfair during the end game. I'd even argue it should be tweaked to work differently during end game.

I assume they are referring to dribbling.

I never said it was a good counter. But as I recall it was the counter people used.

Just make enduring affect it again and boom, balanced.

It's badly designed, simple as.

- It grants 60 seconds of invulnerability to the survivor. Sure, you can down them, but you can't pick them up even if you didn't effectively tunnel them. Why does this perk reward mistakes? If you get hooked and your team fail to save you and I coincidentally find you off the hook within a minute because of your mistakes, why am I punished?

"Oh that's your fault, just stop tunnelling"

Right because the survivor with the 60 seconds of invulnerability doing a generator right in front of me should be ignored right?

It needs to go, or be changed. In fact, if it waa deactivated upon meeting certain conditions (like touching a gen, saving a team mate, teammate being hooked) then it could be much fairer.

I'd bring back the wiggle to 35% before you can even use it so killers have a chance.

True that MYC does give you indication sometimes... but don’t think killers should need a perk to out-time BT and DS personally. Also if you’re trying to catch a blatant survivor making a save then MYC won’t proc.

Ehh 2 and 3 don't need to happen since if the timer only goes away when healed what's the point of healing just rush gens in the killers face and he can't grab you cause of ds its just easily and highly abusable just get rid of the second condition

The only time I had issues with DS as a killer was... in fact, when I was tunneling. And a 5 seconds stun with a 15 second chase is not so long. If you're chasing another surv and you hear that the DS survivor was unhooked, and you approach there well, you are tunneling. There are four survivors, 60 secs seems to be long but is not. Just chase and hook someone else.

DS is anti tunneling perk and it's also a crutch which rewards for failure. It's also massive passive buff for survivors if you need to slug every potential survivor who you think "might" have DS. Therefore potential DS is limiting your map control and snowball potential. Situations like this, it's better to eat the DS and then actually tunnel the survivor out.

I personally camp and tunnel all survivors if i get hit by DS without actually tunneling them.

Many good killers have already adapted to ds and they never let you use it. I probably used DS twice this entire week and I bring it every single match. I suggest you do the same and adapt. It's really not that hard to avoid DS.

Unless they do something else to punish camping/tunneling, DS is fine.

Red Rank Killer and Survivor, and I see 1 or 2 sometimes but not as much as pre-nerf DS. (I don't see why I have to tell you my rank or main... but if it gets the point across than... sure?)

You seriously don't know how good you have it from before... As a Killer main I barely get hit by DS AT ALL now, the only times I do is when the Survivor that unhooked the previous hooked Survivor is very well hidden and the hooked Survivor goes into a locker to avoid being downed and slugged... than I just grab them and get stunned and move on from the area. I could of easily just waited there to grab them or leave the area, but instead I humor it because why not? The "unhooker" is long gone anyways... but this happens VERY rarely and the unhooker is usually 90% of the time found nearby the previously hooked Survivor.

But, most of the time I find the guy who unhooked them and than proceed to chase and down them... so post-nerf DS compared to Pre-nerf DS is FAR easier to avoid 100%. Before, you couldn't avoid it at all... it was always going to happen unless you dribbled.

And if you dribbled from any hooks that were far away (which was most the time) you were easily body blocked and got wiggled out. Dribbling isn't a counter, it's a band-aid to the actual problem and doesn't stop it from happening...

Enduring also only cut the stun down a bit, it didn't actually stop them from stunning you... you can't say it's a counter because it didn't actually stop it from happening... they could still stun you and go to any window/pallet loop nearby...

It wasn't really greatly... that also isn't countering it. A reduced effect doesn't = it was countered. Breaking up dribbling also didn't require good coordination... you just drop and pick up and if anyone came up near you than you'd get body blocked and wiggled out/DS stunned.

I also played the game before DS was nerfed, I prefer post-nerf because it's far more tame... but it's your opinion, you can prefer pre-nerf DS if you want.

No, I'm really am serious. I am thinking about taking it off, many of my friends already did. I played with DS all day today , got to use it once and the killer could have easily avoided that.

If I humored it had counter-play than it was still worse than post-nerf DS. Post-nerf isn't seen more than pre-nerf, post-nerf barely works outside of being tunneled or hiding in a locker, post-nerf doesn't activate everywhere and anywhere you're downed outside of being unhooked previously AND being tunneled, post-nerf can easily be circumvented by the exact thing some people hate hearing "don't tunnel."

People say that because it's true... if you don't tunnel a Survivor with DS than you'll barely EVER be hit by it. Before, you'd be hit by it anywhere and everywhere... it was seen more often AND was the most used perk for any Survivor in-game... you'd never see anyone not use it outside of their build UNLESS they wanted to change things up...

Why do you think I barely get hit by it besides the few times I somehow lose the unhooker and only find the unhooked Survivor? I either wanted it to hit me or It somehow was on 59 seconds and hit me out of nowhere...

Even if I find the person who was previously unhooked... 9 times out of 10 I just down and leave them.