Some QoL improvements that would make Legion a lot better. (UPDATED)

Speed is ok, 5.2 or 5.28 isn't tragically. With the missing penalty I even expected the increase to 5.2 would lead to more misses as it is harder to control -> easier to dodge.

Fatigue will not be reduced. You pretty much revert him in many points to old Legion. That would mean 110% ms as well. As long as he is 115% ms the fatigue will stay at 4s. It is about the distance the survivor shall get to not get insta downed. The old Legion with double fatigue reduction was nearly OP.

I wouldn't bring back the ability to activate the power before it is full. But I would remove the depletion on regular M1 attacks. I suggested the power drain on missed Frenzy attacks as well in anothzer thread. I said like 10% on normal swings, up to 25% on lunges. But numbers are adjustable.

Shortem fatigue on double hits: as above. The fatigue is something critical, I wouldn't touch it. Maybe add "time to mend is reduced by 25%" which allows one less skillcheck fail on mending, for example. I like the skillcheck part as well, but I wouldn't reset the timer. Adding the madness effect to be unable to repair etc I also sugggested in another thread.

Addons seem fine. Still missing something "gamechanging" in a way of a different playstyle. But hard to invent something like this.

@Lentoro Also my opinion. It would just avoid survivors finishing gens bleeding, knowing that one missed skillcheck might down them. Which would be redundant if you add the Madness restrictions to Bleedout

110 => 115 is a 4% increase, so if 3 seconds was fine with 110 then 115 should be like 3.15

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Personally being able too move faster doesn't outway how horrible Deep Wound and Feral Frenzy is.

This is similar to other ideas in the forum and i think it is the only way to make legion a 4.6 killer without overdoing it/underdowing it.

I really like theses changes, maybe don't apply theses to deep wounds but instead give the legion it's own status effects with thoses stats instead.

These proposed changes are amazing to me personally. These would make Legion feel less frustrating and punishing to play as for many players. The faster speed would make it easier to block pallets and windows to prevent survivors from using them and the cooldown makes is easier to react more efficiently.

The Deep Wound change would be interesting. Now that survivors bleed out when not running along with the change where they can't do things such as repair and heal they would be forced to mend. While I don't think it should be considered healing and affected by healing perks or action speed reduction perks, it would be cool if it was affected by Nurse's.

These addons are very interesting. I would see Cold Dirt paired with things like M&A to do stealth Legion.

I'd be happy if these changes would be added for them.

"You literally contradict yourself in p.1 and p.2. I am not sure even if you have noticed ? "While suffering from deep wounds survivors cannot heal" -> " Mending is now considered a healing action" So survivor cannot heal but they have to since mending is healing now ? So how do we do that good sir ?"

That is too much overthinking because survivors cannot heal, they must mend which is something really similar to healing. They just can't heal others, that's the point.

Legion has too much punishment for very little mistakes and survivors have a very easy time to counter his power by multiple ways. Decreasing that gap seems the good way to me, not the bad one.

They would have at the time I posted that comment, for the reasons I posted in a different comment. I still think that 'can't do anything but mending' shouldn't be a thing, but skill checks for mending are fine imo.

That was true with the old stun too though, was my point. 110 => 115 is not such an increase that it requires an whole extra second of stun if the point is to give someone time to get away.

The problem with that is Legion was super weak if you didn’t use his exploits. Even then you wasted so much time just to get a down. He was never OP, just broken and had no counterplay. He’d be real weak if you revert him with every exploit fixed.

He'd still suck. All m1 killers rely on survivor's mistakes. He's never going to go past anything above average. The only thing that would push him further than average is if they ever made deep wound a lethal mechanic where like him hitting 3 different people downs you or hitting you eventually down you. the problem of course has been that when he can down people in that fashion, they never really bothered to balance his vaulting mechanic, as such, his hits are somewhat unblockable, however there is small mindgame that you can try the next time you face legion which only works on wall-blocker pallets and vaults. It is to put pallet down, pretend to walk in one direction, but then walk into behind legion's vault and vault over. Since there is no limit to vaulting, legion will just revault and hit you anyway, but this mechanic is very fascinating because it means that legion has potential to be a juking-type killer if his vaulting power was more limited, only then would he have any chance for his power to be chasing power. A rework of that nature would be far more ambitious and risky.

The change proposed are run at mill changes that could basically get applied tomorrow and he'd just feel less crap to play.