I'm gonna cry ( venting )
Well thank you BHVR for proving me wrong again. I actually had some trust in you and i was proud of you for doing a good chapter with interesting perks and good characters. Oni was already tweaked before he got released ( and that's good ) but why did you have to just kill the entire fun of the character by almost entirely removing his flick ? Why should i EVER play oni instead of billy ? God, i don't know how to express my disappointment and sadness right now. Like seriously this game is the only thing that gets me through these days and the oni instantly became my favorite killer because of his power and aesthetic.
I do not understand. Why do you buy so much into what survivors say these days ? I get that we do not want to make the survivor experience bad but nerfed killers so, so so so so so so much these past couple of patches.
You removed the fun of nurse, and she's still just as unfun to play against.
You nerfed spirit , which was deserved i guess ( but there are also alot of survivor stuff that deserves to be tweaked or nerfed )
You just nerfed freddy again for some reason, because in a meta where doing gens as quickly as possible wins you the game, you decide to nerf him. Twice. You removed his ability to counter borrowed time and now you made his addons weaker. Oh, it wasn't fun to play against " forever freddy " ? Well i'm sorry but i don't find myself having any fun in these poorly designed maps like gas heaven or bloodlodge or thomposns house ETC, i don't find myself having fun when people keep unhooking in front of my face without any care because they can use borrowed time so they don't have to think any plan of unhooking his teammate , i don't have any fun when survivors have extreme confidence and jump in lockers because they have their " anti tunnel " 60 second immunity. I know, i know " just slug " , because that's fun. I could go on and on, but i'm just sick to the damn head. Oni was so damn fun , he was balanced, it hasn't even been a month since his release and you god damn nerf him already ?
I'm sorry for ranting so much but i'm so fed up because everything fun is being taken away from my hands in this game , seriously BHVR, why don't you truly balance your games and you make these silly changes? Why don't you make solo survivor not excruciating to play and why don't you give some weak killers some quality of life changes so that they don't feel so outdated or useless ? Why do you have to ######### on me so bad, launch a teaser and keep posting stuff of the new chapter and after it releases nerf it for no reason ? I know, different people , different opinions. But oni didn't deserve this. WE DESERVED a strong killer . Hell, atleast if he was still as fun to play.
I know this post isn't gonna change anything but i just couldn't keep it in me. I was so surprised and disappointed to see they actually nerfed him and it made me so sad. I know i seem like i'm exaggerating but damn i play this game everyday so i can cope with everything that's going on and to see something that was so important for me get taken away , it really hurts , i know it's just a video game but it's important to me. It wasn't even much time to enjoy it until they nerfed him. I know it seems like a small change, but small changes like these tremendously impact gameplay. I just don't understand why.
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He still has his flick.
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It's way worse now.
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Like, game-changing worse.
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Nurse...... Nurse was overkill, her addons are really boring now I have no excuse to offer on that one; but hopefully they wise up and fix them.
All the other changes though make sense to me and I have no issues with them. Especially the Freddy nerf, dear lord was that needed. I was getting 4ks up the *** and I am awful at the game, yet I had 4 man SWF RED rank teams not getting past 3 gens in any of my games; that's insane.
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His flick was literally a "known issue" in the 3.4.0 patch notes, it wasn't supposed to be a thing.
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If you mean not as skill-less as it was, sure. Those actually good with him are doing fine.
Also, imagine quoting and replying to your own post to further your point.
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- "The Oni can rotate faster than intended with the keyboard or joystick during Demon Dash.
love how people now actually try and defend them breaking the killer thinking this line means he wasnt supposed to have a flick
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Yes, very pathetic of me . The nerf has nothing to do with skill. It's not like you can still do the stuff that you used to do with him before. They weakened him.
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I doubt it to be honest. I thought the known issues was the insane 180 flick , otherwise i wouldn't understand why they toned down how much you can flick and not just straight up make it how it is right now.
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I think the opposite - i'm glad they changed her addons but i don't think she was overkill. Atleast if they were gonna nerf her, just don't make it seem lazy. I mean she has 2 stuns which seems kinda weird to me.
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You're using a logical fallacy called the appeal to authority. "Those actually good with him are doing fine" is the same thing they said about Nurse. Please be careful with your arguments.
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Ahahahahah "breaking the killer"
What real effect does his turn being 90 degrees narrower actually have? The survivor can actually 360 an insta down attack? Oni D tier plz buff :'(
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Friendly reminder guys - i'm not looking to start any flame wars , be respectful of eachothers opinions
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Both are true. The only people who suffered when Nurse was changed were people who relied on that which was theoretically broken, or her addons.
OG Nurse players (like Marth, tru3, Ardetha) adapted just fine.They only ever needed 2 blinks, and never used additional blink addons.
I don't see what you're argument is here. It's turn radius was out of whack. I personally don't think Oni should have been able to do a near 180 degree flick or spin at any time during it's dash; and I've been playing him religiously since he came out. Sure, I have to readjust, but whining about it actually taking strategy now isn't going to do anyone any good.
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They said its still possible to do a 90 flick but nothing past that.
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try playing him once before beeing a smart-ass about it maybe :) you can barely flick at all anymore even with mouse. but ye, why try stuff when you can just act like you know what you are talking about :^)
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I'm not against that. I don't know anybody who would be against it. If the devs could do so they would. (tbh making every single pallet unsafe to do so would be very annoying but that's not what I meant)
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Looping may not have been intended, but it certainly doesn't equate to a practically undodgeable insta down attack.
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My thing is, if they already "knew" there was an issue with his flick, then why release him with it? It's like they were trying to get as many people as they could to get him by watching ptb streams, then killed him. And, yes, I know about the patch notes. But, not everyone reads those notes. Instead, they see a video on YouTube of some new killer that looks really fun and cool, go and buy him, then get the shaft. That's why a lot of people are pissed right now. Not everyone is like me and you, here on the forums getting all the info and dirt all the time.
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Hard exaggeration " undodgeable " imo.
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I literally have both his achievements, got adept first try. May I ask you to point out where in my post I claim to know everything about him? Because I can certainly point out where decide to claim something with zero evidence. Remember, assuming makes an ass out of u and me.
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Indeed. Instadowns are an intended game mechanic. Pallet-looping is an exploit.
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I'm talking about the argument. Not whether or not it is or isn't. Simply saying those who're good with said character are fine without factual backing is a logical fallacy. Since the update has only been out about an hour or two, there is limited evidence from said good players still doing good. The real test, in my opinion of course, of if a killer is good or not is when they have a decent chance to combat high level SWF given the player himself is of high level himself. By high level I mean skill, not rank.
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lets start with your first sentence beeing straight up false cause his flick isnt "smaller", its gone. and what evidence do you want of me? go try it before talking :^)
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Are you using "Q" and "E" for the flick? If yes, use mouse.
I think they buffed the mouse flick a bit, but nerfed the keyboard flick for some reason.
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I was more talking about the "practically undodgeable" part but you think that pallet looping is an exploit so I really can't be bothered taking this convo any further.
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That's like saying camping is an exploit. Which it isn't.
Pallet loops are designed to be that way now. Survivors having smaller hitboxes and being able to hug the edges of objects more is by design. What is NOT supposed to be a thing is safe loops.
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I've been using the mouse ever since he was released. I prefer Q and E on billy, but i like the mouse more on ONI.
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Why did they release the original patch with broken basement hooks? Who knows why BHVR does what they do.
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But if nurse is just as good and unfun to play against then what was the point of that nerf? So she's more " skilled " ? I don't think she takes more skill to play to be honest. She's still the same, just unbelievably frustrating to play as.
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I completely agree that it isn't hard on jungle gyms with corners but in dead zones and/or simple pallet tiles, what can you do? The flick is combined with a lunge, meaning that even a decent amount of space gets closed and the charge time for the attack is next to nothing.
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I feel you bro. I was just going to post a thread myself, but im at a point where i wish i could just walk away from this game since EVERY PATCH! They manage to do something that pisses me of. Which genereally is nerfing. I FUKING HATE NERFS for all sides. Nerfing takes away so much fun for both survivors and killers! ANd im sick of it! And if they don't get their act togheter soon i might actually have the sense to just drop this game. even though i really dont want to, but i hate being so passionate about this game that im going around mad in my daily life because if stupid beyond logic decision that are being made!
Sorry for the vent, but it was needed...
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You definitely raise legitimate points, but it also sounds like you've got some schpit going on irl; if you ever want to talk to someone feel free to dm me here (although idk if you can) or add me on Steam (I'm "Friendship is Tragic ").
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I never said she needed the nerf.
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Ditto, since you're clearly either a survivor-main or a clueless newbie.
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This, a million times over.
AMEN!!!
Seriously, BHVR!!! Why?????? I wish I could get a refund.
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The charge time is actually quite impactful. Is not as nothing as it seems. If you are at an unmindgamable pallet, you are still going to be able to loop him. On mindgamable pallets , he is a lot more punishing , but you just have to play extremely safe , i mean, he breaks pallets at normal speed if he uses his power
And if you get caught in the middle of nowhere, well , bad luck but it's the same with leatherface and billy. It's not something only oni does.
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My bad.
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No worries. I was actually a huge advocate for nurse not getting nerfed. The only thing on her that needed changing was the additional blink addons.
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Intended by design, huh? Consider this: when someone, during one of the fall 2016 dev streams, asked the devs what they thought about pallet-looping, they answered that they didn't even know what it was.
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Every major "good" streamer so far has said this feels awful and it's the opposite of fine.
I'm going to assume you don't even play, Oni. Am I wrong? If I'm not, thanks for giving an opinion on something you have no experience with. If I'm wrong, please, let me know how you're doing "just fine" with him. Would love to hear about it.
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You misunderstand I mean her changes were overkill, her addons suck now.
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Oh, my bad x2 then.
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What I don't get is why survivors whine a lot and they just want the game to be very easy so they ruin the reason to play the game by doing this.
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This is giving me a headache. Pallet looping is not an exploit, it's how survivors can actually survive. There's plenty of counters to pallet looping, especially with the Oni. The Oni is in a good place as he is, the only thing Oni players could ask for is for him to get his power faster. I'm surprised more people aren't talking about the basement hooking bug, falling through certain maps, terror radius glitches, etc.
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How did freddy lose counter to BT. If your asleep BT doesn't work still, correct?
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Mattheiu: "What killer should we nerf next? I'm running out of ideas..."
Dev: "I don't know maybe we should just make another cosmetic for nurse instead?"
Mattheiu: "Nurse?"
Dev: "Yeah? The killer that can blink we haven't really messed with that much"
Mattheiu: "I want it nerfed so hard legion seems playable again"
Dev: "Ok I guess we'll just give the community the ol razzle-dazzle and say minor tweaks to her mechanics"
Mattheiu: "Sounds good make sure you add a few bugs for random killers while you're at it, no lube for those dirty killer mains this time."
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People are saying the keyboard controls were a known issue, and yeah, you could legitimately flick 180 degrees if you used them and the mouse at the same time. With just the mouse it was a 90 degree flick, and they removed the ability to do that. You can get about 30 now, which is incredibly useless.
But bro. Someday we'll have all killers nerfed into the ground so survivors get out every time and eventually just have nobody to play against. The ideal world, a game without killers where you just do gens and leave
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