Tunneling.

Well if the killer has remember me or dying light that's kind of the price you have to pay for being The Obsession whether you bring in an obsession perk or not.

The clues in the name you're the killers obsession so they're either going to focus everything they got on you to get you out of the game to incentivise their perks once again dying light and remember me or they're going to save you for last because the longer you stay alive the more you benefit them this would be your play with your food and Save The Best For Last.

I usually pip, even if i´m the Obsession and die.
Try doing at least a gen + unhook someone (who needs to survive for 10 seconds). That usually gives you a safety pip or pip if you survive long enough.

Yea it sucks when it happens but honestly the killer gets punished for face camping. All the other survivors can go do gens while he is just standing there. Only real way to get back at them is to not give up when you go into struggle and just make him stand there for as long as you can. Unfortunately it's a "take on for the team" kind of moment.

Most of the time tunneling is a survivor's excuse to blame their badness on the killer. Half the time I'm "tunneling" it's because I walk 3 feet away from the hook and your ding bat teammate thought that was a good time to unhook you. Of course I'm gonna turn back around and smack you again. The killer doesn't owe you any courtesy to "play by the rules". Getting mad at game mechanics won't help you at all, either learn to loop or learn to hide.

@fluffybunny said:

@Mrrgle_the_Mediocre said:
TUNNELING
ISN'T
A
THING

It's more commonly known as COMMON SENSE! Maybe he's chasing you because all the time because you're terrible at hiding and/or running, huh? You're the injured one, the others aren't, why would he go after them? You're closer to death on the hook! So why, WHY would he go after anyone else? Also, I nicked this example from someone a while back, it's a pretty neat example;
If there were two generators very near each other and one of them was 50% done and regressing, and the other generator is 0% done, which one would you work on?
If you said the 50% generator, congratulations, you "tunneled."

Yes, because it's common sense to follow someone for five gens instead of switching targets. Tunneling is a thing whether you want to admit it or not. Killers will often overlook an easy hit and an easy kill to go after what they've been chasing the whole time. I've seen it done even without them being the obsession. What OP was referring to is more of an etiquette related to tunneling, though. You're facing people who are trying to gain points and have fun in the game. Not NPC generators to M1 and occasionally press Space bar on. While you may see it as 1 vs 4, the 4 of them aren't earning points as a unit. While someone farming or camping them affects their score, it isn't necessarily their fault. I've had killers camp and tunnel me, then thank me for not being toxic in the next screen over. You're also picking an easy target, which isn't a show of skill. It isn't impressive. I think killers need a buff to address a team better, but also a penalty for doing lazy behaviors (as it'd be rough to play survivors if there wasn't one; killers would tunnel and camp regardless).

@Jgrimm2001 said:
You're about to tell me. that if i get chased all round, downed and hooked a few times and get face camped and i die because i'm the obessession, that im going to de-pip? Where is the fairness in that?

As obsession, it's super important to not get caught. Especially if you're without an obsession perk. Avoid it if you can. If the killer has dying light or remember me, they'll often camp or tunnel the obsession. If you're not that great in a chase, learn. It's part of the game. Kate has a perk that will help you locate pallets and you can also watch tips and tricks videos. If you have friends in the game who are better at it than you, you can also ask them to help you learn the ropes in KYF. Alternatively, maybe look at your perks. Premonition and Spine Chill help if you're found right away too often. Urban Evasion will help you sneak away fast and sometimes killers don't notice things closer to the ground. Quick and Quiet is good for jumping through something and losing them if they happened to have broken eyesight with you. Iron Will will make you quiet when you're hurt and Bond will let you know where your friends are. I would say experiment until you find what helps you or what fits your play style.

I guess I can see where you're coming from, but I can't stand it when somebody screams about tunneling when all that happened was them getting hit immediately off the hook. You mentioned getting an easy hit/kill, and if you're by the hook or a few yards from the hook as Huntress, the person getting off the hook is the easiest person to hit.

Now, the killer following one person and one person only the whole round, I suppose that would be tunneling, though I've never encountered it myself so it would just be an in-theory thing, though I suppose if people are complaining about it I guess it does happen. It's similar to how I think camping is fine unless they do it when there's 2-5 generators and/or on first few hooks. It's just... dude, what are you doing, you're doing no one a favor, not even yourself. So I can see your point.

I just hate it when people yell at the killer after hitting someone who just got unhooked.

A logic question to survivor mains.
If you see 2 gens. One is at 90% and regressing and the other one is untouched. Which one would you start to repair?

Don't get caught.

Just because you're on a hook doesn't mean you're entitled to free points.

Depends on your definition of tunneling. If the killer is actively chasing you for all five gens and ignoring everybody else then facecamping you when all five gens are done and YOU get more points than the killer does then they are salty in the chat afterward, that is plain toxicity. However if the killer winds up chasing you after you gy unhooked, meh...could be considered tunneling but you’re the easiest target. Kind of a scummy move to target one person over and over again but it’s the easiest to do.

@MegMain98 said:
Depends on your definition of tunneling. If the killer is actively chasing you for all five gens and ignoring everybody else then facecamping you when all five gens are done and YOU get more points than the killer does then they are salty in the chat afterward, that is plain toxicity. However if the killer winds up chasing you after you gy unhooked, meh...could be considered tunneling but you’re the easiest target. Kind of a scummy move to target one person over and over again but it’s the easiest to do.

Why is it scummy to play well?

Mrrgle_the_Mediocre said:

@fluffybunny said:

@Mrrgle_the_Mediocre said:
TUNNELING
ISN'T
A
THING

It's more commonly known as COMMON SENSE! Maybe he's chasing you because all the time because you're terrible at hiding and/or running, huh? You're the injured one, the others aren't, why would he go after them? You're closer to death on the hook! So why, WHY would he go after anyone else? Also, I nicked this example from someone a while back, it's a pretty neat example;
If there were two generators very near each other and one of them was 50% done and regressing, and the other generator is 0% done, which one would you work on?
If you said the 50% generator, congratulations, you "tunneled."

Yes, because it's common sense to follow someone for five gens instead of switching targets. Tunneling is a thing whether you want to admit it or not. Killers will often overlook an easy hit and an easy kill to go after what they've been chasing the whole time. I've seen it done even without them being the obsession. What OP was referring to is more of an etiquette related to tunneling, though. You're facing people who are trying to gain points and have fun in the game. Not NPC generators to M1 and occasionally press Space bar on. While you may see it as 1 vs 4, the 4 of them aren't earning points as a unit. While someone farming or camping them affects their score, it isn't necessarily their fault. I've had killers camp and tunnel me, then thank me for not being toxic in the next screen over. You're also picking an easy target, which isn't a show of skill. It isn't impressive. I think killers need a buff to address a team better, but also a penalty for doing lazy behaviors (as it'd be rough to play survivors if there wasn't one; killers would tunnel and camp regardless).

@Jgrimm2001 said:
You're about to tell me. that if i get chased all round, downed and hooked a few times and get face camped and i die because i'm the obessession, that im going to de-pip? Where is the fairness in that?

As obsession, it's super important to not get caught. Especially if you're without an obsession perk. Avoid it if you can. If the killer has dying light or remember me, they'll often camp or tunnel the obsession. If you're not that great in a chase, learn. It's part of the game. Kate has a perk that will help you locate pallets and you can also watch tips and tricks videos. If you have friends in the game who are better at it than you, you can also ask them to help you learn the ropes in KYF. Alternatively, maybe look at your perks. Premonition and Spine Chill help if you're found right away too often. Urban Evasion will help you sneak away fast and sometimes killers don't notice things closer to the ground. Quick and Quiet is good for jumping through something and losing them if they happened to have broken eyesight with you. Iron Will will make you quiet when you're hurt and Bond will let you know where your friends are. I would say experiment until you find what helps you or what fits your play style.

I guess I can see where you're coming from, but I can't stand it when somebody screams about tunneling when all that happened was them getting hit immediately off the hook. You mentioned getting an easy hit/kill, and if you're by the hook or a few yards from the hook as Huntress, the person getting off the hook is the easiest person to hit.

Now, the killer following one person and one person only the whole round, I suppose that would be tunneling, though I've never encountered it myself so it would just be an in-theory thing, though I suppose if people are complaining about it I guess it does happen. It's similar to how I think camping is fine unless they do it when there's 2-5 generators and/or on first few hooks. It's just... dude, what are you doing, you're doing no one a favor, not even yourself. So I can see your point.

I just hate it when people yell at the killer after hitting someone who just got unhooked.

The initial post said he was tunneled for the round, that's the entire game. He also said face camped, seems like chased for couple gens then camped

@Master said:

@fluffybunny said:

@Mrrgle_the_Mediocre said:

@fluffybunny said:

@Mrrgle_the_Mediocre said:
TUNNELING
ISN'T
A
THING

It's more commonly known as COMMON SENSE! Maybe he's chasing you because all the time because you're terrible at hiding and/or running, huh? You're the injured one, the others aren't, why would he go after them? You're closer to death on the hook! So why, WHY would he go after anyone else? Also, I nicked this example from someone a while back, it's a pretty neat example;
If there were two generators very near each other and one of them was 50% done and regressing, and the other generator is 0% done, which one would you work on?
If you said the 50% generator, congratulations, you "tunneled."

Yes, because it's common sense to follow someone for five gens instead of switching targets. Tunneling is a thing whether you want to admit it or not. Killers will often overlook an easy hit and an easy kill to go after what they've been chasing the whole time. I've seen it done even without them being the obsession. What OP was referring to is more of an etiquette related to tunneling, though. You're facing people who are trying to gain points and have fun in the game. Not NPC generators to M1 and occasionally press Space bar on. While you may see it as 1 vs 4, the 4 of them aren't earning points as a unit. While someone farming or camping them affects their score, it isn't necessarily their fault. I've had killers camp and tunnel me, then thank me for not being toxic in the next screen over. You're also picking an easy target, which isn't a show of skill. It isn't impressive. I think killers need a buff to address a team better, but also a penalty for doing lazy behaviors (as it'd be rough to play survivors if there wasn't one; killers would tunnel and camp regardless).

@Jgrimm2001 said:
You're about to tell me. that if i get chased all round, downed and hooked a few times and get face camped and i die because i'm the obessession, that im going to de-pip? Where is the fairness in that?

As obsession, it's super important to not get caught. Especially if you're without an obsession perk. Avoid it if you can. If the killer has dying light or remember me, they'll often camp or tunnel the obsession. If you're not that great in a chase, learn. It's part of the game. Kate has a perk that will help you locate pallets and you can also watch tips and tricks videos. If you have friends in the game who are better at it than you, you can also ask them to help you learn the ropes in KYF. Alternatively, maybe look at your perks. Premonition and Spine Chill help if you're found right away too often. Urban Evasion will help you sneak away fast and sometimes killers don't notice things closer to the ground. Quick and Quiet is good for jumping through something and losing them if they happened to have broken eyesight with you. Iron Will will make you quiet when you're hurt and Bond will let you know where your friends are. I would say experiment until you find what helps you or what fits your play style.

I guess I can see where you're coming from, but I can't stand it when somebody screams about tunneling when all that happened was them getting hit immediately off the hook. You mentioned getting an easy hit/kill, and if you're by the hook or a few yards from the hook as Huntress, the person getting off the hook is the easiest person to hit.

Now, the killer following one person and one person only the whole round, I suppose that would be tunneling, though I've never encountered it myself so it would just be an in-theory thing, though I suppose if people are complaining about it I guess it does happen. It's similar to how I think camping is fine unless they do it when there's 2-5 generators and/or on first few hooks. It's just... dude, what are you doing, you're doing no one a favor, not even yourself. So I can see your point.

I just hate it when people yell at the killer after hitting someone who just got unhooked.

The issue is that the survivor (if hit straight from the hook) isn't really given a chance and a lot of it is in the hands of the person taking them off. If someone decides that their stacks are more important than you living the match, it's unfortunate for you. You're unlikely to get any points unless you were able to do stuff before being caught. I've had someone in a survivor match do that, but I've also had survivors unhook right behind me when I was right nearby. They didn't even have bt. If a survivor is tunneled all game, the most they can get is the points from before they were tunneled and 8k if they get enough pallet stuns and run the killer around enough. I just think killers should be buffed to the point where they don't need to do that, but camping and tunneling shouldn't be rewarded if that's the case. It'd be too easy. I've had too many killers tell me it was the easiest way to get pips and that should be changed imo.

If a survivor only gets point from being chased, then I guess he only pallet looped and didnt manage to lose the killer. (yes thats what the game is about actually)
And you shouldnt blame the killer for tunneling, as you said its mainly the unhookers fault for unhooking you next to the killer

Truetalent had a nice idea: He suggested to introduce debuffs on the survivors (gen debuff e.g.) if the killer hooks a new survivor, unfortunately that idea was thrown in the trash by survivor mains, so we will stick to tunneling being the most efficient way to play.

When people farm like that, it's kind of expected. I'm talking about when a killer camps, he often tunnels, too. Him camping is wasting so much of his time and so is his tunneling, but it also keeps the person away from doing gens or going for saves. Oftentimes, the person doesn't get a lot of points, either. I'm typically fine. I'm not toxic, so most of my solo games go well unless I somehow get with a SWF. Honestly, that can be annoying. I've literally had games where I was like "Why'd he camp me?" and went to see everyone else chain blinding the killer. Since I'm solo quite often, I do my best to avoid being caught. You're lucky to get off without going into stage two when you're by yourself. That is if the killer doesn't decide to camp.

There needs to be a buff or reward for hooking different survivors or not going after the unhooked person (tunneling). While some people are empathetic, not everyone is and not every killer dabbles in survivor. It is admittedly quite easy to camp and tunnel and people naturally go towards the easier option if not given a reason not to.

@Master said:

@fluffybunny said:

@Master said:

@fluffybunny said:

@Mrrgle_the_Mediocre said:

@fluffybunny said:

@Mrrgle_the_Mediocre said:
TUNNELING
ISN'T
A
THING

It's more commonly known as COMMON SENSE! Maybe he's chasing you because all the time because you're terrible at hiding and/or running, huh? You're the injured one, the others aren't, why would he go after them? You're closer to death on the hook! So why, WHY would he go after anyone else? Also, I nicked this example from someone a while back, it's a pretty neat example;
If there were two generators very near each other and one of them was 50% done and regressing, and the other generator is 0% done, which one would you work on?
If you said the 50% generator, congratulations, you "tunneled."

Yes, because it's common sense to follow someone for five gens instead of switching targets. Tunneling is a thing whether you want to admit it or not. Killers will often overlook an easy hit and an easy kill to go after what they've been chasing the whole time. I've seen it done even without them being the obsession. What OP was referring to is more of an etiquette related to tunneling, though. You're facing people who are trying to gain points and have fun in the game. Not NPC generators to M1 and occasionally press Space bar on. While you may see it as 1 vs 4, the 4 of them aren't earning points as a unit. While someone farming or camping them affects their score, it isn't necessarily their fault. I've had killers camp and tunnel me, then thank me for not being toxic in the next screen over. You're also picking an easy target, which isn't a show of skill. It isn't impressive. I think killers need a buff to address a team better, but also a penalty for doing lazy behaviors (as it'd be rough to play survivors if there wasn't one; killers would tunnel and camp regardless).

@Jgrimm2001 said:
You're about to tell me. that if i get chased all round, downed and hooked a few times and get face camped and i die because i'm the obessession, that im going to de-pip? Where is the fairness in that?

As obsession, it's super important to not get caught. Especially if you're without an obsession perk. Avoid it if you can. If the killer has dying light or remember me, they'll often camp or tunnel the obsession. If you're not that great in a chase, learn. It's part of the game. Kate has a perk that will help you locate pallets and you can also watch tips and tricks videos. If you have friends in the game who are better at it than you, you can also ask them to help you learn the ropes in KYF. Alternatively, maybe look at your perks. Premonition and Spine Chill help if you're found right away too often. Urban Evasion will help you sneak away fast and sometimes killers don't notice things closer to the ground. Quick and Quiet is good for jumping through something and losing them if they happened to have broken eyesight with you. Iron Will will make you quiet when you're hurt and Bond will let you know where your friends are. I would say experiment until you find what helps you or what fits your play style.

I guess I can see where you're coming from, but I can't stand it when somebody screams about tunneling when all that happened was them getting hit immediately off the hook. You mentioned getting an easy hit/kill, and if you're by the hook or a few yards from the hook as Huntress, the person getting off the hook is the easiest person to hit.

Now, the killer following one person and one person only the whole round, I suppose that would be tunneling, though I've never encountered it myself so it would just be an in-theory thing, though I suppose if people are complaining about it I guess it does happen. It's similar to how I think camping is fine unless they do it when there's 2-5 generators and/or on first few hooks. It's just... dude, what are you doing, you're doing no one a favor, not even yourself. So I can see your point.

I just hate it when people yell at the killer after hitting someone who just got unhooked.

The issue is that the survivor (if hit straight from the hook) isn't really given a chance and a lot of it is in the hands of the person taking them off. If someone decides that their stacks are more important than you living the match, it's unfortunate for you. You're unlikely to get any points unless you were able to do stuff before being caught. I've had someone in a survivor match do that, but I've also had survivors unhook right behind me when I was right nearby. They didn't even have bt. If a survivor is tunneled all game, the most they can get is the points from before they were tunneled and 8k if they get enough pallet stuns and run the killer around enough. I just think killers should be buffed to the point where they don't need to do that, but camping and tunneling shouldn't be rewarded if that's the case. It'd be too easy. I've had too many killers tell me it was the easiest way to get pips and that should be changed imo.

If a survivor only gets point from being chased, then I guess he only pallet looped and didnt manage to lose the killer. (yes thats what the game is about actually)
And you shouldnt blame the killer for tunneling, as you said its mainly the unhookers fault for unhooking you next to the killer

Truetalent had a nice idea: He suggested to introduce debuffs on the survivors (gen debuff e.g.) if the killer hooks a new survivor, unfortunately that idea was thrown in the trash by survivor mains, so we will stick to tunneling being the most efficient way to play.

When people farm like that, it's kind of expected. I'm talking about when a killer camps, he often tunnels, too. Him camping is wasting so much of his time and so is his tunneling, but it also keeps the person away from doing gens or going for saves. Oftentimes, the person doesn't get a lot of points, either. I'm typically fine. I'm not toxic, so most of my solo games go well unless I somehow get with a SWF. Honestly, that can be annoying. I've literally had games where I was like "Why'd he camp me?" and went to see everyone else chain blinding the killer. Since I'm solo quite often, I do my best to avoid being caught. You're lucky to get off without going into stage two when you're by yourself. That is if the killer doesn't decide to camp.

There needs to be a buff or reward for hooking different survivors or not going after the unhooked person (tunneling). While some people are empathetic, not everyone is and not every killer dabbles in survivor. It is admittedly quite easy to camp and tunnel and people naturally go towards the easier option if not given a reason not to.

I know it sucks to play with a SWF, sometimes I even lobby dodge them when i play survivor..... kinda sad actually.

There have been several ideas how to reward hooking different survivors, truetalent suggested e.g. to give survivors debuffs (gen debuff e.g.) if the killer gets a fresh hook. But you know how survivor mains react to such ideas.....

It might be easy to camp, but its a really bad strategy that only works against bad survivors.
Tunneling is just the most effective way to play the game and has to do nothing with "easy" because when tunneling you just target a single survivor before the other ones, you have to chase him anyway

I know how I play. Even when I play with a friend, I try to save the "randoms" and stuff, but so many don't care. They only care about the buds they're playing with. I've literally had people leave after the doors were open and I was on the hook and that was after I safely saved them twice, sooo. Pretty sure they were swf, would be surprised if they weren't. I care if the randoms get killed or get out. A lot who play in swf don't, though, and I'm aware of that.

I would be considered a survivor main. I would do both, but they bully me. QQ I'll probably main both once I get better... and once they get bbq and chill on the shop. That would be niiice. I think that sounds like a good idea. I'm willing to try things if it means for a good outcome. Might as well, right?

Yeah, it's bad if the survivors know what's up, but a lot of times they don't. I think the emblem system encourages poor plays, too. If you don't go for saves, you get a black pip. When you're talking about tunneling, are you talking about going after the same survivor or switching them after the person gets off the hook? Like for instance there's players A B C and D. When you tunnel, are you going after B after B gets off the hook or are you referring to going after C while B is getting off the hook and downing C? I don't really consider the second tunneling. I honestly switch targets if the chase goes on too long, but that's because I'm a newbie and I'll legit lose people lol.

@thesuicidefox said:

@Chrona said:
Read the bit above. If you've been on the hook, and he hasn't, even if you're both wounded, I'm going to choose you to chase. Just like in RPGs, focus and kill one enemy at a time.

Dude, I get WHY killers do it. I'm saying that it's the easy thing to do. If you are a good killer you shouldn't be taking the easy way. I will let survivors unhook near me and go for the guy that made the save IF I can afford it. That's the difference between a good killer that plays fair and a bad killer that plays unfair. The good killer can do that and kill you, but it's easy, so they don't and STILL end up killing everyone, that is a good killer. It's also a good game for EVERYONE because when killer camps or tunnels someone that forces survivors to gen rush.

This is why my NM build (NM, Resil, Kindred, BT) will beat any tunneling or camping killer. If you camp someone, I will run in for a YOLO save and the ONLY way to stop me is hit me before I get there or they time the grab perfect when I save (if I do it right). If you tunnel, I will show up and eat the hit, now you have to hook me. If you let the other guy go and hook me, gens get rushed. If I'm up and about (and I know you camp/tunnel) I will gen rush until I need to eat another hit. A killer that wants to have fun and a longer game should just constantly slug me.

Oh, NM guy. I thought killers tunneled NM. Easy kill in their eyes.