Time to take some time off this game....

Reminder that this is, in fact, intentional, and they definitely were SWF: https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/519985/#Comment_519985

Minecraft is rising again everyone is playing it lmao even I am playing it over DBD

@FireHazard It did increase them without a doubt.

I used to press triangle wait 5 seconds bam in a lobby.

In a lobby? Wait 5 more seconds bam survivors.

Now it takes 10 minutes.

This isn’t true. I was hosting a swf (I’m rank 6) but my friends were rank 14-16 and we only got rank 15-17 killers.

It's seriously rising. I am seeing Pewdiepie even playing it again. Many other people play it again. Return of Minecraft, I love it.

Not at red ranks.

@Carpemortum Peanits has even stated it. The question I have, though, is whether it's working as they intended. Given their track history, if I were a betting man, I wouldn't bet on it.

Sorry that you don’t believe me but it happened.

1) Bugs: I mean, eh. This game is janky. Weird visual glitches (Ghostface's camera not being in his hand when he uses his mori and so forth) are just part of what I've come to accept. I can't recall a point where it's ever been game-breaking, so I sort of just see it as a "whatever" level issue.

2) Toxicity: This is a hard thing to fix, and it's always going to be a battle in any competitive game. The extremely adversarial nature of this genre means that you're always going to have people who get extremely tilted and/or develop very awful habits just as a byproduct of the game playing out more or less as-intended. I really wish we could be shown evidence of reports being taken seriously, and I really think the policy against naming-and-shaming awful people is ridiculous, since they usually do things to deserve it.

3) Balance: This is also hard. It would be great if the developers could achieve perfect balance, but that's been a problem in every competitive game going back to at least Street Fighter II. 😛 This is one of those things where I think there's a lot of entitlement on forums and Reddit communities etc., and I definitely discourage devs from balancing according to loudmouthed community committee sentiment.

4) De-ranking: I really think there should be a threshold that you hit every 5 ranks or so (15, 10, 5), and then you cannot de-rank past that until the season reset occurs.

5) Matchmaking: Yeah, this is trash. You shouldn't be able to get matched with/against people who fall outside of a certain rank threshold from you. The de-ranking idea I mentioned above would help here.

6) Camping: Some players are just going to do this, because they have the freedom to make that choice. And they do it even with BP or pip penalties, because securing a kill is all they care about. I would definitely love to see more brutal penalties occur for this type of behavior, whether it is the loss of several ranks at the end of a match, or even a stacking bonus to generator repair speed or something like that, the longer they stay near a hook.

7) Disconnects: Agreed. I think bans should be aggressive and extraordinarily unfavorable to players who have a history of disconnecting, just ban them for a full month right off the bat and send a message. Related: Matchmaking should not allow killer players with bad Internet to host matches, because thus just kills the game for everyone.

@Peanits I understand why camping and tunneling are valid strategies in those cases; I want to scream every time someone unhooks me with the killer right on top of us both, because that usually just leads to the game being over immediately for at least one person.

Punishing players through the emblem system is weird. It's a punishment for sure, but just by nature of the game's structure, some players don't even look at or care about rank, and consider the kill to be their only victory condition regardless of other mechanics. I went up against a killer twice a few nights ago who sat and facecamped every person that he hooked, regardless of what else was going on (gens getting popped while he camped, etc.). I tried to confront him diplomatically about it in chat, telling him that he lost emblems for being near the hook, and gens getting popped in the meantime, etc. His response was "Yes, but I got the kill. I don't care about rank, it's just whatever. And you get BP from playing regardless."

So, yes, you ARE punishing unsportsmanlike players via emblem penalties. It's just that the game is structured in a way that doesn't make it inconvenient or offer any tangible setbacks for the players who decide to straight-up ignore it. You're really just punishing the player who is getting camped and now cannot play, because the other team (the killer) is acting in bad faith regardless of the "punishment" he is receiving.

If there's no reason for a killer to stick around the hook (i.e. champion hook-diving heroes lurking around the corner), the punishment should be absolutely crippling. Give the survivors a stacking repair speed bonus for the rest of the match, or start auto-progressing all other gens on the map or something once the killer hits a certain camping threshold. Punish them in a tangible way that swings the match drastically out of their favor, if they choose to take this route for no good reason. All it's accomplishing is completely ruining the match for at least one player (who now cannot participate because of the other team's unsportsmanlike behavior).

Again, if people are hook-diving, or trying to be really aggressive about saving their friend, it's obviously a good strategy to patrol that hook. When this has happened to me, my ire is absolutely reserved for my fellow way-too-ballsy survivor, NOT the killer who is making the smart play by sticking to my hook. I've been on both sides of that coin plenty of times.

And like I said in my last post, some killer players are just going to camp regardless, because they're free to make that choice. It comes with the territory, and I suspect it always will, regardless of what you do (if anything) to address it. But I do think there should be substantial recognizable-in-the-moment penalties for a player who decides to play this way, because unless there's a valid reason to do it, they're not playing in good faith.

EDIT: Or maybe, I dunno, don't progress the sacrifice bar as long as the killer is near the hook, with no other players nearby? Have you ever tried that? What do you think it would do to the game dynamic?

At 3) - You mean initial GF buff that made him not HILARIOUSLY WEAK?

Or the recent nerf that made him stand on top of freddy's shoulders on ranking ladder?

Even DbD wants to play Minecraft right now lol.

@Peanits I'm suggesting completely stopping the hook timer 100%, as in, it literally will not progress until the killer leaves the hook. Maybe don't show the killer the survivor's hook progress bar either, to keep them from weaponizing it (kind of like how Legion can't see bleed progress, same principle). It wouldn't change the fact that the killer has to make a decision about leaving the hook or not; it would just make the choice more clear. And if someone's close by and trying to be a hero, they're still risking getting downed.

I'd love to see a scorched earth approach to non-tactical camping. Implement the above, plus give the survivors a permanent stacking speed bonus to repairs for every X seconds the killer has accrued from standing at hooks.

In other words, disincentivize the behavior in every way possible, so that the killer is forced to be confident that some other altruistic survivor is lurking about before they decide to stick around. As-is, it feels like you guys are weirdly defensive about a form of obvious bad faith behavior that has no upside, outside of certain tactical edge cases (which could still absolutely remain in place without punishing the killer).