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I am sick of SWF and the non existent matchmaking
When do you consider to highlight swf teams in the lobby, so killers can decide if they want to play against voicecom cheaters or not?
Why do purple ranks have to play against red ranks? No matchmaking? I wait maybe 1 minute for a game, i don'T mind to wait 3 to 4, if i can play against less experienced player. I don't even have to sacrifice anybody to get enough BP out of the game, but red / purple ranks do mostly aint giving me the opportunity, the gen repair speed is just too fast and ruin is a joke.
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The reason you stated you want it is the exact reason why it will never happen.
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This.
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I agree with the purple versus red ranks thing. It happened a lot to me while ranking up this season as killer. We all know how matchmaking can be as survivor.
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Do you know how often, at red ranks, the killer in post-chat says "nice swf" or something similar when they lose? That's when the survivors are all solos a lot of the time. Sometimes I think crying SWF is more a justification for the loss rather than just accepting that sometimes, you just lose.
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Because they are not highlighted? If you know they are swf and you decide to play, it's your decision. Without that, you just gamble and hope, you ain't playin against those cheaters. Most accounts are set to private, so you can not even look that up. Rarely that ppl have similar names.
Would just really easy to fix, without banning swf at all. But the devs want to ######### over killers that just want to have fun.
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The devs, and anyone with a brain, wants lobby dodging to stop. The gross majority of SWF's are just people shooting the ######### with their friends. Stop acting as if every time you lose to a team that seems coordinated, it must be an SWF. They need to balance the game AROUND SWF's by bringing solo survivors up to that level and buffing killers. There's a reason your solution (which has been mentioned 405934850934854309853490258439854905834095834905385093485430 times) is not there; cause it's a flat out terrible and non well thought out idea. The negatives far outweigh the positives.
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"voicecom cheaters" ... thats all I read to know thats this is just another poor thread. welcome to the digital world.
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Because purple ranks are within 6 ranks of red ranks, and as long as the players in a match are within +/- 6 ranks of eachother that's considered working as intended.
And it's a complete waste of time and energy to insist on the use of voip apps being cheating. Explicitly been said by the devs it's not, and the official discord server even has voice channels intended for people to use while playing together 🙂
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Agreed, I play on console and I will get at least one msg a week from a killer saying the only reason we won was because it was a SWF, when I'm a solo player.
SWF is an excuse for the killers at this point.
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Now, we also shouldn't dismiss that some ridiculously coordinated SWF teams are just that - ridiculously coordinated and obviously the game isn't balanced for that...but 90% of SWF teams are just people playing and having fun with their friends. Worst case scenario, they told their friend where Ruin was, or if you were camping. Big deal, lol. Ruin never lasts long anyway, and a huge amount of people run Kindred regardless.
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Again, agreed. The rare times i do SWF we are talking about other things, and will probably say "killer is gone you can unhook me" and that's it. People complaing about SWF like everyone got a SWAT-like plan going against the killer. Most of the times SWF don't even know what they are gonna do. I will dare to say that most of the talking is just complaining to each other when someone ######### up or fails to rescue them lol
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The game just needs to be balanced. SWF complaints are a symptom of a bigger problem.
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Still, they will talk to each other, which perks they use, which items / addons. They give informations through the voicecom, what solo players ain't have, to the disadvantage of the killer. That is just not fair play.
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So you basically want them to run around like headless chickens, not have a clue on where you are coming from, and just get that 4 kill game? I don't agree at all. I'm not a huge fan of SWF teams, because yes, they make sure they make you know you just got owned badly, but at the same time, I'm not going to stop people who are enjoying the game together playing. At the end of the day, kills or no kills, we all get points, we all played the match, we all had fun playing the game we enjoy. Why do people constantly target SWF because they lost a match. If you go into every match expecting to win, you're going to be disapointed everytime. Just play the game and have fun, and stop focusing on winning, you'll enjoy it more that way.
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That's exactly what it is supposed to be and how it is, for solo survivors. You can equip certain perks to help you out, like kindred that is pretty good now. And nobody want to destroy swf, just highlight them and the killer can decide if he wants to play or not.
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Just dodge swf groups. You can't stop friends playing together. If they remove swf feature, the game will die in 1 day.
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But how would this help the problem? If SWF got highlighted, then there would be even less players in matches since every killer would make sure they avoid lobbies with SWF. Remove SWF: Game will lose so many players. Highlight SWF: Players will avoid, longer wait times, players stop playing, game dies. There's no good outcome to this.
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Ok, what is the solution? Solo survivors have the hardest time. Killers get wrecked because the progression speed is too high for experienced players. Ruin gets found too early, so ruin needs a heavy buff?
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You lost me at "voicecom cheaters". I never say that but just git gud.
More seriously, SWF is for me not as OP as some say here. Tough, yes, but still manageable. Just try your best and move on to the other game if you mess up.
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Well considering they removed in game chat as part of the gameplay element by definition he's not wrong, they are cheating.
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I don't agree. Considering that cheating is bannable, voicecomm is not cheating according to gamerules:
"Using 3rd party software or other tools to gain any kind of unfair advantage that wasn’t intended by the game, except if they have been whitelisted by us. We are not banning for the use of communication apps."
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There aren't enough red rank killers, so purple and green killers have to play against red rank survivors. We need some changes to the game, so that more people want to play killer, especially at the higher ranks.
Showing who is SWF would encourage killers to dodge SWF, so that is not a solution. What the devs could do is give the killer bonus bloodpoints and Emblem points for facing SWF, since it is obviously more difficult than playing against solos.
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So it's no unfair advantage, to know which perks other survivors have and to tell them, where ruin is located, where the killer is?
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I just quoted BHVR.
In my opinion : yes it is an advantage. But I wouldn't say "unfair" or "cheating". I'd say "challenging"
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100% this.
The reality is that pro-swf groups is something ridiculously small, in my experience its 1/30 games. But on this forum you'd think it was every second game.
And this forum CONSTANTLY ignores the casual swf. A group of mates that just want to have fun and spend more time dive bombing the hook then having some nefarious intent to make the killers life miserable.
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thats one of the biggest reasons why no one plays killer anymore at high ranks. almost every match you have a full swf against you. its just unfun to play against "cheaters" every round.
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i dont see this groups often at red ranks. you are really lucky.
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Well I think you have no one to blame but yourself. Killers have had so many buffs and survivors so many nerfs that playing soloq is the single worst thing you can do in this game right now. At low rank, new soloq players are getting destroyed for ~5K BP.
Also I'm curious just HOW MANY swf groups you face, because this forum completely overblows the numbers, that I have no doubt.
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You should read the OP again. He doesn't specify red ranks 😚
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read my post then you know how many swf i vs.
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I'll just take your word for it 🙄
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my region is for some reason infested with russians and they are almost never alone... so there you go.
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If you hate SWF that much, there are two options. Just try your best and keep points, or just camp the first down until death cause a lot of SWFs will hook dive when I do that. It just turns a snowflake into a snow boulder in mere seconds.
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Coordinated teams don’t require you to be in a SWF group. Just saying.
If you’re bad at the game you’re going to be bad whether you communicate or not.
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That's a calculated cost, A LOT of people use voice comms if they were banning for that the base would be absurdly small. It's obvious they didn't build this game with the intention of voice coms being allowed otherwise it would be in the game itself
But they know that banning for voice come is also not a smart move. So to me that's just a way to save face knowing their game is not designed for voice coms
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I'd say it's a bit more than challenging. It's obvious the game wasn't designed for that amount of information to be shared among survivor teams. Still though, crying SWF has turned into an excuse more than an epidemic.
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"voice com cheaters" ... ...... ............................... excuse me?
Since when has voice com ever been "cheating" because I've never seen anyone banned for it. I've never seen the devs say it's not allowed. Oh yeah, it's cheating though, *puts hands up* arrest me.
The amount of people who cry about SWF clearly just aren't skilled enough and are trying to blame people who like to play together instead of themselves. I've seen SWFs get wrecked by actual good killers, what is your excuse?
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Not having played 1000 hours killer to be good is my excuse, but going against survs with 800+ hours in the game. "Balance".
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I think that the problem in this thread, which is transcripted in your last sentence, is that you mix 2 different topics:
- Matchmaking (facing people with more playtime / skill / experience / whatever)
- Balance (supposed disadvantage on one side like killer vs SWF)
SWF gives an advantage to survivors, not only upon killers but also upon solo survivors. But at equal rank, SWF teams won't crush killers everytime.
The issue is when you face red SWF commando teams, so it's 100% a matchmaking issue (no bugs, but flaws in the conception)
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I like the direction the devs are taking the SWF and I think balancing everything around it was the best choice, but I HATE this justification. Is that supposed to make me or anyone else who has to go against SWF feel better? @The_Second_Coming said it best this game, at it's current state, was not balanced for this which makes it broken. Because people are using a broken feature for fun, I'm supposed to be okay with it?
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Yeah, swf is a very strong tool. They always know when you chase someone. That's communication. Against a full swf team (if they know what to do) it's hard as a killer.
Against a 2 man team its more fair. Just my opinion on this topic
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At lower ranks swf teams are usually jokes to face. Even some swf teams at higher ranks are jokes to face because they are either too cocky or too altruistic.
Survivors are forced to play swf at higher ranks because if you play solo survivor you 9 times out of 10 get really bad teammates. If I find a good survivor and I'm playing solo survivor I'll message them after asking do they want to team up.
If you want to know if they are a swf or not there are a few ways to check. Look at their friends or do they all share a language. But don't show otherwise if a team is a swf, killer dodging is already a big problem at the minute.
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Apparently this is the truth. Because in purple ranks I rarely face a group of purple ranks survivors. It's almost always at least 2-3 red ranks in the game on almost every game I play now between ranks 8-7 and takes forever to rank up. Even if they're all not SWF, survivors can still play and coordinate like a group. If at least half of your team is red ranks, you should be facing a red rank killer. No exceptions.
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I'm playing surv at red ranks and I get even green rank killers a lot of the time.
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You know people need to stop generalizing about SWF and yeah most of them are bad but that is not something that needs a genius to figure out as there are always more people that are bad at a game then there are people that are good at it.
Sorry balance needs to happen looking at the best players of the game and not the casual, not the noob. Noobs and casuals should get their help via tutorials and explaining to them what they actually have to do in order to get good at the game but hey when you have tips like " you can use a pallet as a diversion" uhm yeah.
Survivor do rank up too fast and too easy this results in bad survivors in the highest ranks, this leads to easy games in red ranks meaningless statistics about the game and frustration. Who wants to play with idiots? Nobody but from what I see from people in red ranks there are horrible people who do not belong there at all.
SWF by bad players will still be bad players, the problem of dbd, only shines when you have good players as swf. Killers are mostly not prepared how quickly the game is done and how 1-2 mistakes lead to a complete loss.
Now people can argue about the majority of players again but that is a dumb argument to make, same logic would be nurse addons (prenerf) are fine since most nurse players are really bad. That is not how you balance a game.
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Stop complaining seriously. I play solo or maybe with 1 friend if I even play survivor that day and it's never a problem on either side. I win some I lose some, to be fair I tend to die alot more in a SWF than a solo, because I feel obligated to save my friend(s). There are killers who camp and tunnel that's not fair to the survivor but I don't complain. If that's how they want to play then that's on them. Who cares let people play the way they want to. If you can't handle it then leave, just stop playing. Simple. I'm honestly tired of hearing about 1 side complaining about the other and then back again.
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I wasn't making any argument on the balance of the game. I was trying to explain how to swf teams can be stupid and why some people create swf teams. I also wanted to explain how you can find out a team is a swf and explaining why they shouldn't allow the killer to see if they are about to face a swf.
The good players don't want to play with the bad randoms they get matched with and will instead try to create a team with any good survivor they find. People would be less inclined to create a swf team if at the higher ranks they could rely on their teammates. I personally would play solo survivor more if I believed my teammates would actually be good.
Is there an easy way to balance against a swf? No
Should they try and balance around a good swf? If they can
Should they allow the killer to know if they are facing a swf? No, survivor lobbies already take too long.
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