Why are immersive players looked down upon?

To be honest the best groups have both immersive and non immersive players. Its best if everyone can run the killer If they get caught but if your running the killer that immersive dude who ducks til you lead the killer away and then gets right back on genny is your best friend. I play different styles with different survivors. Immersive David is silly. He sticks out. So I run around and do what I need to. But my urban evasion Meg gets work done and safe unhook like a pro. I can run the killer if needed but I just adopt a style for every character I play. That's why I run different perks on almost every character.

*Blendettes

Honestly, I play most solo queues and I rarely have that kind of thing happening in my games. I'll usually stick to what I am doing, and I have a good grasp on calculating how long it would take me to reach someone on the hook and unhook them the moment before they hit the next stage. I'll wait around until this limit, and only then abandon what I am doing to go save. Most of the time they'll already be saved by then and I won't even have to let go of whatever else I'm doing, 'cause people in rank 1 tend to generally be very altruistic.

My definition of people being 'immersed' in dbd: Survivors that seemingly hide all game, hardly do anything, take way too long unhooking, take 10 mins looking and cleansing all the totems and chests. They're overly cautious and generally use SB and Urban Evasion too. They ABSOLUTELY LOVE saving their SB by crouch walking across the entire map.

Immersed players will urban evasion away and hide in a corner as soon as their spine chill goes off or as soon as they hear the faintest terror radius. If they're found they'll instantly drop every pallet they come across, don't look behind them and tbh... aren't great team players.

I don't like immersed players as killer OR survivor. Killer is boring without chases. Survivor is frustrating at red ranks because we need to be as efficient as possible. Urban evasioning around the corners of the map to eventually start a gen or cleanse a totem isn't efficient. RUN! Do something!

Don't get me wrong. I don't mind survivors that are stealthy now and then. But being stealthy and being immersed are 2 very different things, from my perspective.

You're acting as if all stealth players are useless, Urban Evasioning around the map though?? It's simply not true. OP stated that they do all objectives while avoiding the killer, how is this bad exactly? You're talking about the (probably) new players who haven't learned when it's a good time to start sprinting or acting on an objective. Those people should not be in red rank. Yes, this person needs to learn how to at least do basic loops but that doesn't mean they are bad at the game?? 🧐

I like playing stealth and am very objective based but I don't Urban Evasion and crouch everywhere. I never leave someone on the hook and will run to the other side of the map if I have to. So do you have a serious problem with me being at red rank even though I like stealth?

At the end of the day survivors SHOULD use a mix of aggressive and stealth tactics. You can't group all stealth players together and say they're crap. They probably do a lot more than you realise.

The funny thing is this is what I see people actually say the game SHOULD be. People just hiding and once the killer finds you it's over.

To OP, being over immersed leads to you not getting hooked, and killing your team faster. Also if you unhook me and then run off to a corner of the map then I'm not going to follow you for you to heal me. I'll look for a med kit and heal myself, or go to a gen, or let someone else heal me. As a survivor who is on the hook, I can see what is happening/if the killer will come back because I generally have more information than you do in this instance. If I see a person running around in weird zig zags and throwing pallets, I know they're in a chase and the killer isn't coming back. Now if you wanna run to a nearby pallet to heal me, sure, but I'm not going to follow you off on an extended journey just to get a heal. Either heal me at the hook, or go to a generator. If you're that worried about being caught out at the hook, bring We'll Make it. If I'm wagging my arms at you, it's because either all 3 of you are in far off corners of the map going to make me go into struggle, or I'm nearly into stage two and every single one of you are on gens.

Hiding is fine, but if you hide all game then you're going to have the other 3 people on a stage 3 hook state while you're on stage one, killing us all before all the gens are done. If you wanna be immersed, ALSO be capable of looping.

Keeping the stealth players in lower ranks is why you end up in red ranks with a bunch of loopers looking for action and hook rushing not doing gens.

id argue that aggressive play style is less efficient in quantity than stealth.

I can do about 3-4 gens solo while the other three run around “playing ring around the Rosie“ Bc they can’t seem to stay away from the killer long enough to not kill each other off before I can finish them by myself. Most people aren’t as good at looping as they THINK THEY ARE .

Bc if atleast even 1 of them also touched a gen we’d be done with the objective before you all killed each other off.

I mean I guess if you think being chased is the primary objective WHICH ITS NOT. There’s also a big difference between stealth and being useless, id say say a bunch of people safe hook farming each other with bt and not touching gens is the equivalent to stealth players who don’t touch gens and catch never catch the unbroken emblem.

my point is over altruism(even though also completely useless) is rewarded higher than doing the primary objective and dying first hook.

so you can be the best at altruism and still get chaser And max out both and have an easier time pipping even though you did 0 to power exit gates,die and be highly awarded for it

while if you were on the opposite end of the scale and did all the gens, and stayed away from the killer (essentially unbroken) , and pip, but if you did all of that and get found and die on first hook Bc the whole team skips out and leaves you , you safety at best Bc unbroken was nullified and you maybe get a brown silver or gold in evader depending on how long you lasted in the chase, which by the time your found if you are good most of the pallets areas are barren.

So from one extreme to the other altruism is favored over stealth Bc how emblems work.

if you’re balanced between the two like Monto or pugs play style then you’re well rounded however most players are either one extreme or the other. You can see this if you integrate both play styles the huge disadvantage that both give.

Of course a mix of both is ideal, that goes without saying, but when it comes to stealth versus aggression I feel like you're not listening to what I'm actually saying. I never said that stealthy players are useless or anything close to that, in fact I said the complete opposite in the comment you initially replied to.

While it's true that being chased isn't the objective of the game, neither is doing generators. Escaping is the objective, and that can be achieved in a variety of ways. But stealthy players are more vulnerable to being caught in the open and killed (thus failing their objective) than players who are good in chases and therefore don't need to rely on not being seen to survive. Good killers will always find the survivors no matter how stealthy they are, so it makes sense that an aggressive playstyle is favoured over stealth in high-ranked play, not just by the players but by the design of the game itself.

Stealth is simply not as reliable a tactic as looping, because it is much more heavily reliant on one's opponent making mistakes. Once again, I am personally a fan of stealth. It's my preferred playstyle, and I wish it were more viable than it is. But the fact is that, because of the way the game is currently set up, stealth alone is just not as viable against good opponents as the alternative.

I'm more interested in analysing game design as per the OP than I am in analysing the emblem system, which I think we can all agree is flawed. The only reason the emblem system came up at all was because I mentioned that I could see where Peanits was coming from with regards to the decision to reward stealth-based play less, because it's not actually the optimal strategy. I never even said I agreed with him, just that I understood his point.

I think where we differ is on how viable stealth is as a strategy. I know stealth isn't rewarded as highly as boldness or altruism, the point was that there might be a reason for that.

I'm not comparing bad stealth to great looping, I'm saying that no matter how good you are at stealth, the best killers will always find you anyway, and if stealth is all you're good at, you're screwed. Whereas you suck at stealth and you're only good at looping, you have a much higher chance of survival.

im half asleep not even going to lie, but I am enjoying our debate.

you can be the best stealther or looper but if others aren’t doing gens you’re going to die, either way. One isn’t more optimal than the other if you’re really good at staying alive it all boils down to the rest of the team. A stealther not getting caught and going back on the gen saves time for everyone else be it gen time of save time. A looper distracting the killer does the exact same thing. One isn’t greater than the other in my humble opinion.

so to me whether they stealth or loop isn’t the problem it’s what they do outside of it so I’m with you on that.

as far as game play goes some people like info builds to get the stealthers, while others enjoy chase builds as far killer goes. Unless ya know they mix. So a good killer to someone else might be a bad killer to me due to my, their, or your weaknesses/strengths being exposed to an opposition play style.

in my brain I know it just comes down to game knowledge gens/ and opportune save time.

whether or not they are trying to build the game on chases alone is another thing.

im just saying stealth matches are out there where it’s stealth vs stealth and that’s fun for some people.

I imagine if you’re playing a stealth team and have a load out for closing down chases or gens you’re not going to have a good time. But if you have info perks/addons it will be great. Load outs matter.

just because some people think the entire game revolves around 1 playstyle (cough chases cough)doesn’t mean everyone else does.

I can pip just fine stealthing, saving, doing gens , heals , totems, and juking if caught if they aren’t stacked on chase perks

my only complaint is I can do everything but get in a chase and still make less points than the guy that just chased and did a couple of saves. It’s mildly triggering. Umm like hello I just did all that and to be POG I have to do chases with almost an entire map of dead zones and 0 chase perks just to beat that one guy who did 2 things.

I hope you play on PC.

I prefer stealth also. I’ve tried a lot of other play styles, it’s my favorite.

I can survive just as long if not longer than the best looper. Inside of a chase though I probably won’t last as long due to my load out and if the killer has theirs stacked on chase and has a brain. It basically cuts an even playing field in half for stealth. Where a killer with a stacked chase loadout vs a loop loadout would be more equal footing. However ,I’m least likely to end up in a chase.

where if it’s not stacked they have stealth stacked like me, then chases are on a much more equal footing I can give them a good go however still not as long as the stacked looper

both are equally beneficial. whether it be giving the team time by looping, or giving the team time by being open for gens, saves, totems, and saving them time from having to save me Bc I’m not getting hooked due to stealth.

Either way you can only carry a team so far with either play style. Sometimes the other shits don’t know what opportune saves or doing a gen/ gen commitment is.

like I can only do so many gens if 3 ppl are immediately saving each other to death.

you can only run a killer so long before you’ve created a mass amount of dead zones Where looping is just drastically harder and somehow 0 gens got done.

at least with stealth I can ensure the primary objective (Gens) is getting progressed. It sucks when you do all the work either way just to die. I’d rather be on a team with people that do gens and save before next phase no matter if they’re a runner or stealther than a team that just hangs around the hook doing back to back saves like “why isn’t anyone doing any gens”- 3 people at the hook just hanging out.

my real enemy is over altruists who don’t touch gens.

As someone that plays a little bit of both... I feel that. Like... There is nothing worse as a killer in my opinion then having four Claudette players sneak around in the tall grass with Urban invasion. Not only do matches like that make it impossible for other survivors to get decent amounts of points... But it makes the game completely not fun for the killer in question because they can't do anything. While there is something to be said for the strategy as a whole... Unfortunately I tend to run across people that are doing it in a group rather than just a team with one.

Killers hate it because they’re bored all match and have to check every bush and corner for survivors. ESPECIALLY on a map like Yamaoka, it’s so dreadfully boring. I snooze.

As a survivor, if I see survivors with Urban Evasion crouching around when the match JUST started I roll my eyes and keep going. The best part about DBD is the chase. What’s the point of playing generator simulator. It’s so boring. If my teammates are going to crouch on the outskirts of the map and not do generators, cleanse totems, search chests, save teammates, or DO SOMETHING then they are useless.

In a nutshell, immersion is boring.

Dude just a joke please dont ######### I didnt know you were one of those

To the OP; Immersed players are given a bad rap, as you can see, because some of them are SO immersed they don't actually do anything. Usually this fear wears off as you play more and more matches, but a lot of kiddies get boosted by their high ranked friends or wind up in the red ranks through luck. No one likes an unhelpful teammate.

But

And it's a big BUT

"Helpful" "Unhelpful" "Stealthy" "Immersed" "Right" and "Wrong" all hold subjective meaning. If you're playing an online game and concern yourself in any way shape or form with what random people think of what you're doing, you probably shouldn't play. I had this argument about "Blendette with Urban" which I play, last night with another survivor AND the killer. I had the most bloodpoints of anyone on my team, but that didn't matter, and they found any number of reasons to refute that point. What it all boils down to is this; It's not a killer's job to make the game more survivable for a survivor, and it's not a survivor's job to be more visible or make the game more interactive for the killer. Zero f**** given. If I want to hide and leave you to die on the hook, I'm gonna, and there will be much laughter. If I play killer and wanna sit and farm you, I'm gonna, and there will be tears from that survivor, and much laughter from me. Rank, pipping, all of that means f*** all in this game. It's not even accurate bragging rights as we can all see. So play how you want, and forget anyone who has something to say. You can't make everyone happy, so focus on you and your enjoyment and screw the rest. :)

A stealthy player who avoids the killer consistently ends up hoarding hook lives and allowing the killer to concentrate their aggression on a smaller number of people, thus killing someone off faster. Stealth is inherently situational. Stealth when you're in a dead zone or on low hook lives is great. But most stealthy players do not understand that it cannot be applied all the time or even, IMO, most of the time.

I find immersed play to ne the equivalent of a killer camping. Its just boring to cruise the mapa couple of times not finding anyone, kicking gens, scanning the area, not seeing anyone and moving on.

I understand why people play immersive like I understand why killers camp. It's just boring and nobody pips or more importantly gets any blood points.