Some data on Legion's performance since the Oni update

Any positive adjustments to Legion would be nice...any at all. Please. The way their being “balanced” is like watching something you care about just bleeding out in front of you slowly.

So gutting deep wounds, not a nerf? Removing their ability to use perks in conjugation with their most basic ability not a nerf? If I’m not using their power I’m a basic m-1 killer. Just walked around. Billy and Ghostface and just about every other killers powers aren’t flat out muted and numbed by perks or the chase. Since theirs can stand on their own. Legions power is pointless. By the time you stab everyone with frenzy the first two people stabbed are mended and healed up. The way that this is set up, you have to tunnel people down. I wanted to use Legion because I liked their chaotic play style, dash all over the map. But there’s no point. There is a distinction between Legion and every other killer in that Legion uses their base m1 weapon for their ability. No other killer besides Demogorgon uses their base weapon as part of their absolute.

I've got a bit of experience with fighting games, a genre where you can find Tier List that can be subjective (mainly done by pro players) or more objective (see where each character positions in the major tournaments), and what every competent player will tell you is that Tier Lists matter only when you are optimising every little bit of play.

This, plus the fact that DbD is not a strictly speaking competitive game (meaning that the casual/party component is very much present), should let you easily understand that if Legion ranks 10/16 in killrate what it means is simply that - it doesn't mean at all that Legion is good or bad.

Also they can have a lower kill rate than 9 other killers, but statistically speaking they could easily be above average, depending on the standard deviation (I don't know if that is the case, I'm just saying that those numbers tell you close to nothing about how a killer is viable).

..if you still not believe what I'm saying is reasonable, you should consider that Leatherface has a higher killrate than Legion. In fact, it's higher than Huntress as well.

@Almo thanks for the stats, but I think you know very well that those numbers are not that meaningful - this being said I agree that Legion has improved after this update - they just need three changes:

• don't deplete the whole power gauge on missed hits - 50% is enough. Alternatively, make it replenish a bit faster (not 100% faster, obviously).
• decrease the stun animation from 4 seconds to a value between 3.5 and 3.75 seconds
• consider adding back scratch marks and blood after the power has ended (as in: as soon as I'm in my stun animation I can see all scratch marks/blood which was hidden while in FF). This will improve Legion mobility, but won't help them hit survivors.

While seeing Legion buff was nice, the deep wound change and nerf were uncalled for, the change was but another band-aid fix for poor interaction design, and the nerf was just. . . why nerf one of worst killers in the game?

As to Nurse, the survivor can pretty much run in a straight line to maximize the time wasted by the killer trying to catch up, putting a cooldown on a cooldown is not really good or interactive game design. Besides that, the goals it aimed to achieve were to "Increase the window the survivor has to break LOS, While still making it fun for the killer", It fails at both, firstly, the survivor does not have any more room to break LOS than they had before, the Nurse can still re-acquire LOS as soon as they exit fatigue, what the survivor does gain is an obnoxious amount of distance whilst the Nurse is obliged to wait for the cooldown, and that distance forces the Nurse to go through 2-3 blink rotations to catch up, which leads to the second point, most of the time you are just waiting for the fatigue or the cooldown if not both, staring as the survivors gain distance from you while you wait for 3 cooldowns is not most people's definition of fun, it just makes it so you feel handcuffed, artificially limiting your potential as Nurse.

Conclusion: The Legion buffs were nice, however, the rest of them were simply poorly designed.

You have said a lot of stuff but failed miserably at addressing my point.

You're looking at data without context. That's the point.

The Nurse is the type of killer who should NEVER have the same kill rate as easy-to-play killers, not on her current design. Not even at red ranks, no, because the skill threshold for getting at red ranks in this game is extremely low. If the Nurse has the same kill rate as easy yet powerful killers, it means that her skill cap isn't gating her performance properly. Because new Nurse players will perform poorly due to her difficulty, so if her kill rate is high it means the good Nurse players are roflstomping with her no matter what. That's how win rates work on every single PVP game. She's objectively the hardest killer in the game to start getting decent results with, and her ceiling is also arguably the highest.

Her kill rate at red ranks in November, according to the devs, was 65%, which is perfectly acceptable for a killer of her difficulty which was just brought in line after her changes. She should never, ever, under absolutely any circumstances have the same kill rate as someone like Freddy. Her skill cap should never allow that. That's just balancing 101 for any game.

The only way to fairly compare Nurse's kill rate to other killers is by taking data from hardcore Nurse mains, which can't be done sadly. And no, I don't mean anectodal evidence from Nurse mains who come complain in the forums because they can no longer 4K by existing. I mean actual, hard data.

What I was saying originally is that taking data without context would also make it seem like this game is killer sided. But the majority of the community agrees this isn't the case. This game isn't killer sided, Nurse did not fall into low tiers and data should not be interpreted without context. It's as simple as that.

EDIT: for reference, take the Clown's data to see what real weakness in comparison to other killers looks like. He's extremely easy to pick up for anyone who can play regular M1 killers, yet he has considerably lowest kill rate than even other basic killers that are considered weak like Trapper, Legion or Doctor.