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We need a MAP nerf. Not a Killer buff.
I'm killer main who is very tired for how unenjoyable killer side now is.
If the Survivors are so organised, there is no chance to sacrifice even one survivor. Because, there are so many pallets and very strong windows called the God-loop. Plus, even if I tried so hard and finally hook one survivor, then 2 or 3 gens would be done immediately.
I don't think the balance of this game is survivor sided, but the almost every maps, except the Lery's, the game and the Hawkins, are so survivor sided. (e.g. Blood Lodge, The Pale Rose, Disturbed Ward, The Thompson House, etc...)
So the killers don't need buff. PLEASE nerf the maps.
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In a sense I really agree with you. Map design I feel is the sole culprit of balance problems in this game. Although, some killers still do need buffs, even with map changes. Even with map changes a killer like Bubba would still have a relatively weak power, so I feel like he would be one of the killers still in need of a buff.
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Why not both?
That said, I do think maps play a part in what’s going on - like there’s a reason survivors love Haddonfield and corn maps -_-
Maps should be reworked to not benefit survivors so much. In turn, survivors should get hooks spaced out more so it would be more fair to them.
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Yeah, I think so too. some killers do need buffs. However, to the extreme, if there is no pallets and windows, Bubba would be an amazingly strong killer and that's why almost every Bubba uses Bamboozle or Spirt Fury and Enduring. so, yeah, the biggest problem is the map design.
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Maps like wretched shop, disturbed ward, cowshed have just too strong window loops. Better you don't even go for it, it wastes only time. But guess where the survivors heading when they get chased? Yeah, the maps really have to get a nerf.
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Because I think killers are not so weak. Every killer has a potential to get 4k. The reason of they can't kill anyone is the number of pallets, God-loop and gen speeds. In the other hand, some killer's ability is not good enough (e.g. Bubba, Clown and Legion) so they definitely need a buff or rework.
and, Yeah, I think maps should be reworked in a good way too.
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Yeah, I agree. When the map has a god-loop, every survivors will run into it when they get chased. That's so annoying and not fun for the killer.
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Yeah, map design is quite obviously the biggest balance issue in the game. But the devs don't seem to realize it. They keep making huge maps (the plague map) and awfully dark/huge maps like the new Oni map. These are not good maps.
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no chance one survivor lol bro if you playing without perks and addons at rank1 i agree
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The number of pallets on bad maps is ridiculous. They don't even require skill to use. Literally just run to a small loop and throw the pallet a bit early and you're safe with plenty of time to run straight to the next pallet. And if your team is at all competent at least 2 gens will pop during your chase.
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Not completely sure about this. God loops is one thing, sure. But The killcount at the moment is totally killer sided. It should be 50% and every killer is above to far above that mark. The loops are the only real thing survivors can use to stay in game. And some of them are even just good if the killer only chases straight ahead, like the disturbed ward. Most pallets are safe, but the windows can be cut for example. If a killer uses the shortcuts I'm almost always catched pretty fast.
If you would buff killers and nerf maps, I'm pretty sure every killer goes above 70% (just a guess). At the moment I have the feeling that I need to find god loopers that can hug walls or have perfect timing to make the maximum rounds on a loop, so that they can stretch a chase decently. Or someone going for the god loop of course. But beside that, normally I need to mess up myself for a long chase.
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Pale Rose is NOT a survivor sided map. The boat isn’t the strongest main structure when compared to other main structures on different maps. Survivors don’t have much to work with on that map besides the boat and the dock which are both able to be dealt with easily.
Grim Pantry is a different story though. That is a heavily survivor favored map.
I do agree that some maps need to be looked at (I’m looking at you Thompson House). Rotten Fields needs to be shrinked A LOT. The window should NEVER be open on Rancid Abattoir. There should only be one window open on Wretched Shop. The ENTIRE building on Disturbed Ward needs a change. Those are just a few examples.
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Yes... I think the devs need to make a size template for maps. Maybe using gas haven as a base (I feel like it's not to big) and give a lot of these larger maps the swamp treatment and cut a percentage of the size down to match.
Most of these god windows can be fixed by putting a doorway near the windows, making them still loopable. But this will let the killer chase and not just have to give up because the survivor gets to make it 3 times for free around these long ass loops.
I use them as a survivor and feel bad, but it's in the game what am I supposed to do? There are still other things that need tweaked but i feel like those 2 things done for each map will make them so much more balanced.
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I don't say this game is survivor sided. I know devs said the killcount/ratio now is over 50%. that's why I think killers don't need buffs. The problem is how unenjoyable the killer side now. There are so many safe pallets and strong windows, it makes survivors can loop like brain-dead. I feel like it's quite unfair.
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Welp BHVR will not buff killers and they will not rework 70% of the maps that are busted atm.
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oh, I was wrong. I wanted to say Grim Pantry is massively survivor sided map, not Pale Rose.
And, yes, devs needs to fix almost every maps. some maps are too big, some maps have the unbelievably strong loops, some maps have too many pallets... that's why killer mains feel frustration to chase survivors.
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Not really sure how much faith you can really put into those stats. Ive seen way too many games where people will bring in their grey ranked SWF buddies to get slaughtered against a red ranked killer. If half your team is running to the corner of the map to selfcare everytime they get off the hook... Even a trapless Trapper could have decent stats.
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Yeah, it's the chance to get 4k that the one of survivor is potato who just crouching around and do nothing the entire match. Organised SWF is like a completely different game. Only red ranked killer mains who use top tier killers and parks can struggle against the optimal survivor team.
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I don't get how you can braindead loop most of the maps and still get 60-70% killrate
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There's a lot of maps that aren't survivor sided and are actually fit for both.
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i guess most of that kill rate must come from yellow ranks were survivors just know to right in a stright line because in red ranks i doubht every killer gets around 3k per game.
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I agree we need a map rework, but some killers are very bad. Take Clown for example, since he is my best killer. His power is bad at ending chases, he slows people less than half of how much Freddy's Snares do, doesn't prevent fast vaults like Snares. (And that is only comparing the power, since Freddy still teleports and has the whole dream world mechanic). Also, not only is Clown a terrible killer power wise, he has a nerf to his mindgames. Basic shack vaults or mindgames don't exist with Clown because he moans while vaulting, what announces the action. Clown is without a doubt the games worst killer
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I'm not sure if maps will be changed anytime soon, you gotta remember BL was nerfed to fix multiple loops, so instead of fixing the problem with the maps their solution to the problem was changing the perk instead of the maps.
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well, they said new nurse on PC only and red ranks only is above 60%
If she is so bad that should mean something
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So this means maps like Léry’s, Hawkin’s, and Gideon’s Meat Plant are alright JUST because they’re killer sided?
Ok. Sure.
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Close god Windows. Balance pallet/structure in base of the map (big =less, small=more).
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dude, don't get me wrong. I don't say those 3 maps are OK because they're quite killer sided. I said, there are so many survivor sided maps and that's why killer mains are feeling like this game is unbalanced. I know a lot of survivors think those 3 maps, particularly Hawkins, are not OK. All I want to say is, devs need to focus on the map problems not on the perks or the killer's ability.
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It’s been awhile but I absolutely agree with you here Crotus Prenn Asylum is my most hated map purely because the centre building has 4 safe pallets and 2 windows either side that can be looped for basically the entire game.
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yeah, Crotus Prenn Asylum is the one of the worst map for killers. When I saw the map I'm always gonna say "well, gg already".
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I don't agree on that and you general statement about the maps. The holy 3 you mentioned Hawkins, Lery, The game is just the tip. But you can add easly more with Shelter Woods being the biggest contender for the shittiest map ever, Azarov's, Pale, the Spirit map, The new map /Oni/ also seems to be in favour of the killers. Problem is for me that some people call maps survivor sided and complain just beucase there is something usually in one spot that they cant deal with. For me that does not make the map survivor sided I am sorry. Like for example the building on Coal Tower. I just can't aways hug that window. Thompson House is very interesting example of a map. For me this map is just very easy to play on because you can see all the gens from any side of the map and easly navigate to them. Being a simple map is what makes it easier for survivors to win. But in general all maps currently have above 50%-55% kill rate so I don't think there are any general problems more like just in just some places. Ofc there is just this one problem where the kill rate goes up to 70% for Hawkins and I just feel I have to say it one more time that this map is complete garbage..
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Maps are the problem yes but that doesn't mean we should ignore low tier killers.
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Crotus Penn and The Game are amazing maps for the Killer. My two absolute favorite maps. Crotus Penn being the only map, besides The Game, where I will chase a Survivor upstairs.
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I know many survivor mains complain about Shelter Woods. Yeah it's killer sided because there is no God-loops and the strong building which the other maps have. and biggest reason is, I guess, the map is good for top tier killers especially Hillbilly. However, I don't think Shelter Woods is the shittiest. Also, I don't agree with the maps you mentioned.
I should say the killrate's nothing but a number. In the red rank, the killer mains are so good at this game so they can get at least 2k like every game. In the lower rank, there are so many weak survivors called potatoes and they just DC with no reason like every single game. that's why killrates never drop down to under 50%.
The one strong spot will be a problem. Because, if the survivors are the SWF team, they can share the information of the one strong spot and they'll run into there every time they get chased. That's so annoying and unenjoyable for killers. That's what I'm talking about.
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That's my bad. I was gonna say, if maps are fixed, low tier killers can show better performances. But yeah, there are killers that need to buff like Crown.
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Many of the low tier killers would perform better if map were reworked. Many killers can’t deal with strong set ups and just have to leave them. Unless you’re a killer that can just ignore all survivor defenses like Nurse or a killer that is so strong that they don’t have to play it normally like Spirit; you just gotta leave the loop or structure.
I don’t even bother chasing inside the asylum building because it’s so strong. If it were reworked, killers like Leatherface and Wraith could have actual potential on that map.
Not saying that some killer don’t need buffs but map reworks would certainly help.
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If maps were reworked high tier killers would also perform better.
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Okay you mentioned SFW but last time devs gave stats for that solo were majority/ 4 mans were something like only 10%/
About the numbers I think someone mentioned DCs were excluded from these stats. But even in a world were you said they would dc because they are bad I don't think they would've made it out anyway. At low ranks I get 4k every single game - it is just so simple because playing sometihng like a wraith does not require any skill at all but playing any survivor does require to be able to loop which takes time to learn/ not to mention learning all maps/ so the killer still have real advantage. And so these %s are very real too for the maps
About Shelter you are totaly wrong. Actually the map does have few very long safe loops but with big walls so it is hard sometimes to see there where the killer is esp if he can moonwalk. The problem of that map is completely different. It is just one big mess in terms of placement. Gens in corners with sometimes literally nothing around them to keep you safe. You may get hit there and you still may not make it to any safe place because all the possible loops are MILES away from each other and then there is nothing in the middle on top so the killer can easly spot from far. It is just sooo bad
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bro I wanted say is like stats doesn't mean everything. there are so many facts in it.
Yeah Shelter Woods is like a nightmare for suvivors. But, Blood Lodge is like a hell for killers at the same time. All I wanna say is, devs need to focus on the map problems. Not on the perks or the killer's ability.
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Well you made it sound it like the maps are way more of a problem for the killers and the survivors face only tiny itsy bitsy maps where they get ######### on which is not the case. If we are going to talk about map chages ALL maps have to be included wihch means Hawkins, Shelter etc too
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I said devs need to focus on the map problems. it means not only survivor sided maps, killer sided maps also need to be fixed in a good way.
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