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Potential Fix for SWF
SWF is really only an issue when its a full group of players who know how to play and are well coordinated. So I purpose that limits be set and based on the highest ranked survivor.
If the highest ranked survivor in the lobby is:
Red Ranks 1-4 Max SWF party size = 2 players
Purple Ranks 5-8 Max SWF party Size = 3 players
All other Ranks no restrictions
These restrictions would be based on the highest level survivor in the group not the group as a whole. This will allow low rank players who are either new to the game or not as well versed to casually play with their friends in 4 man groups. It will also stop well coordinated groups of skilled players from destroying killers.
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That will never happen.
They won't punish people for ranking up so they can't play with their friends.
All this does is actually make them derank to be able too and then lower skilled killers are being more bullied which is the reason why the rank system was changed recently in the first place.
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With what I purposed you would still be able to play with friends. You just wouldn't be able to play with a full party if you are in the upper ranks. As for De-ranking that is already a problem and needs to be addressed separately with punishments for quitting and in game incentives for maintaining a high rank throughout the season.
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This is what I would probably recommend if possible. I would say stop 3rd party communication and force people to use their dedicated voice system. It will suck ass-ets, but in all sake for fairness and gameplay quality. Then survivors have the option to talk/text by using the keys. T,Y,U with I opening the text menu. You also have the option to voice to text and mute.
T: this is the default for whisper. You need to be within 5 meters to hear or see the text. For text it will have 40% opacity and last for 3 seconds (for those who are in range).
Y: this is default for talk. You need to be within 15 meters to hear or see the text. For text it will 60% opacity and last for 7 seconds.
U: this is the default for yell: You need to be within 40 meters to hear or see the text. For the text it will be 100% opacity and last for 10 seconds.
Remember, ANYONE even the killer, can hear the conversation if within range. But of course, killer cannot talk to them. Note killer cannot distinguish who is typing/talking unless they are in sight (as in chase).
This would help balance out the difference between solo and SWF. Allowing some coordination while having the negatives of being overheard and being grouped. That, and foremost have chat and voice recordings after chat. And have BEhavior, be SERIOUS with reporting on negative and toxic speech. Which should definitely weed out toxicity in the community by dropping the ban hammer.
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Let's not limit people who are good at the game's ability to play with their friends, yeah?
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Buff Solo's to SWF levels, Lord knows that the Solo life is miserable.
Buff Killers accordingly.
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So by your words it then punishes them for getting to high ranks by limiting the friends they can play with. It what I said.
As for deranking they can just go in, run to the killer, get hooked and then suicide. Instant depip. They wont punish someone when it uses what the game has. The incentive to not rank up needs to be extremelty good for them to rank up so they cant keep playing with the group they enjoy the game with.
They would only have to derank every so often to stay at a certain bracket as they wouldn't have to go past green and just play solo for one night to depip quite a few ranks.
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This is what I would suggest. I would say stop 3rd party communication and force people to use their dedicated voice system. It will suck ass-ets, but in all sake for fairness and gameplay quality. Then survivors have the option to talk/text by using the keys. T,Y,U with I opening the text menu. You also have the option to voice to text and mute.
T: this is the default for whisper. You need to be within 5 meters to hear or see the text. For text it will have 40% opacity and last for 3 seconds (for those who are in range).
Y: this is default for talk. You need to be within 15 meters to hear or see the text. For text it will 60% opacity and last for 7 seconds.
U: this is the default for yell: You need to be within 40 meters to hear or see the text. For the text it will be 100% opacity and last for 10 seconds.
Remember, ANYONE even the killer, can hear the conversation if within range. But of course, killer cannot talk to them.
This would help balance out between solo and SWF. You can still communicate and work together while having the negatives of being overheard and being grouped. That, and have chat and voice recordings for reporting purposes.
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you are not the first one and will not be the last one complaining about SWF and yes you are right, SWF are a problem to the balance in the game a group of 4 man with 8 (perks each, Kindred FREE, BOND FREE, EMPHATY FREE, mini or nerfed OBJECT OF OBSESSION BUT without any consecuence FREE) is understandable the complain also they can know were the killer is and what the killer is doing ALL THE TIME, yeah pretty much the definition of unbalance but will never happen that way, their soultion is buffing survivors even more you know thats the solution and then LATER balancing the killer around that, so it will be a very good par of black months for killers those. is gonna be interesting, instead of buffng the killers first the survivors ( who doesnt need any kind of buff) are gonna get buffed first. and u know something they are gonna touch the stuff that is fien as they always do never actually solving the real issues wich are very simple erase god windows with 0 counterplay with that the game will be IN A WAY BETTER shape is that easy and they still keep touching stuff that doesnt need any kind of change that wontresolve anything and the worst part is actually they know that those changes wont resolve anything, the players (and not some crys over there without 0 arguments, real videos real arguments in red ranks against good survivors) already told them what has to be done but they will keep ignoring and they forever will keep ignoring
so dont waste your time-
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"We're all in purple ranks, yippee" - 3 Man
-Plays for a few hours
"We're all in red ranks, looks like one of you is going to have to leave"
You have to realise the absurdity of that, right?
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SWF is just incredibly hard to balance because it's not ingame. There is no ingame mechanic that buff survivors directly through SWF. What makes it so good is the ability to talk to one another about their situation. Which is why I would like a dedicated voice chat so that it would indirectly buff solo as well. The thing is, killers can win against SWF. Hard yes, but it's not impossible. I don't expect to win as killer 100% or as survivor otherwise why play either role?
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the game should be played for fun and when you have to sweat your ass so much that youll need to take a shower and get stressed (you play to release the stress not to be worse than what u were before playing) to deal with that stuff meanwhile they have a lot of fun even if they get killed ( probably they will pip anyway due how easy is playing survivor) i see an issue right there. maybe you dont.
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I'm rank 1 survivor and I play solo its really not bad at all. Only sucks when you get a toxic killer or de-ranking teammates. Also just saying buff this and nerf that without giving any real constructive ideas doesn't help
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I understand that killer should have the power role but if you are not having fun as killer. Probably play a different killer that you can have fun. Yes, I think the ranking system is ######### as well. Meaning you do have to get a 4-man to rank and if you only find that fun, that is ranking up, there's nothing you can do until they change those conditions. However, you are just saying killers are too weak. Weak how? We can't buff what we don't know. Sure survivor perks are pretty strong, but so are some of the killers perks and addons.
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I could see this happening during the post game lobby.
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Pretty much every other game that has a competative ranking system besides dead by daylight has some sort of restrictions in place to keep matchmaking balanced.
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Not allowing people to play an online game with their friends is stupid, and the game would die in a year.
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Rank should not be a factor at all because it's not hard to get to the higher ranks and you could smurf your way around that solution anyways.
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Sorry to burst your bubble but it would not die that quickly.
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the game was doing fine before swf was even in the game so I think your being a little over dramatic. League of legends doesn't let Players who are ranked gold play with their friends who are ranked bronze and that game seems pretty popular.
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Easy fixes to SWFs:
1) 3 perks per member of SWF
2) 1 unique perk per group
3) slower gen repair speed for SWF members by max 10% (with gen-rushing it will be hardly-noticeable but help killer to more pressure)
These options will help counteweight SWFs voice comm (I consider it as non-punishable cheating) and make these teams more cooperate with solo survivors that are beeing abadoned by these groups - weaker SWF groups must cooperate with rest of the survivors to survive which help to solo players and prevent bullying of killers by these ppl.
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Yes this word competitive does get thrown around a lot doesn't it, seems weird to have a competitive game but you don't want the team knowing anything about the rest of the players, and to top it all off they want to punish coordination while also telling players to "just do totems" to avoid certain perks etc etc.
The game isn't competitive, Im sorry that you see the ranking system as some sort of indication that this is true but it isn't.
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90% of killers are survivors toys and if u have to play freddy, nurse, spirit and then maybe billy hag and huntress (not so sure about huntress) and repeat playing 4 to 6 out of 18 killers all the time to have fun we have a problem and yes the game always was survivor sided because is so damn EASY playing as survivor so much chill i can literally be listening music when i play survivor or looking at the phone or i can even go into a locker for 60 seconds and take a ######### piss and then comeback and ill probably will be fine u dont have that as killer and that is a problem the game shouldnt be that stressfull for the killer even if u lose a chase as survivor u have 3 chances as killer you dont have many chances a bad chase is GG, if a survivor makes a bad chase they still have 2 extra chances but some people seems to not realize about this killers objective is way harder and takes way more time thatn survivors one they can easiliy make half or even more than their objective in 3 minutes (and is not because you didnt aPpLy PrEsSuRe). unless you play in rank 15 to 20 were survivors dont have any idea about how to play the game. there are a lot of problems here at least they could change the rankibng system is already way too easy for survivors i see boosted survivors in rank 1 but i dont see boosted killers in rank 1.
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Smurfing is an issue in literally every competitive video game. But I would prefer that to the status quo
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"90% of killers are survivors toys"
The other 10% are killers that are actually good at the game.
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These will never happen.
"Potential fix"
Then what's the point of ranking up? getting punished..?
Omg..
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Dude dont bother on discussing with him.
Check his comment history and you can see that he is trolling or biased af for the killer side.
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DBD was only officially launched for a month before they added SWF, so to say it "did fine" stands no holding tbh. Not to mention there's a plethora of posts by @Peanits when explaining why they wouldn't remove SWF is because before SWF was added survivors would just lobby dodge until queued with each other
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Getting punished because of being good in a game. Nice, I like, I like.
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You think 4 friends will stop this? They will just derank. This means 4 experienced players on coms smurf on low ranks and bully new killers.
Nice solution, 11/10 thought till the end.
Seriously, people need to stop thinking that changing swf will be possible. It's not.
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Punishing people to play with your friends is no fun. Like I said add in game voicechat with the ability for the killer to overhear. These are absurd nerfs to just SWF.
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you realize this game was built and designed around the idea of survivors not being able to communicate with each other. SWF has not always been in the game and the game wasn't created with SWF in mind.
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try to have fun with clown, doctor, bubba, legion, etc in rank1 agaisnt a 4 man swf ( a good one without chilling) even if u are good player i can guarantee you that you ll be survivors toys and u can be god with nurse and spirit it wont change a thing. your argument is stupid there are useless and garbage killers in the game saying othwerse would just make me think that you are pretty much a survivor main that only cares about killers bieng weak as the ones that i mentioned before wich are useless agasint good survivors saying othwerwise is futile and lies-
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Instead of adding rewards for ranking up let's punish people for ranking up AND playing with their friends.
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Agree that playing survivor is easy. Im main killer player but now Im playing some survivor games for archives challenges and I easily escape 8 of 10 games with survivors on lvl 1-5 (I invest earned points toward killers) with brown addons and 1-2 basic perks. As killer I have hard games vs SWFs but as survivor its too easy to win.
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This is DBD, stop bringing others game to the table thank you.
You know why it was doing fine? cause people were testing the game yet, they were doing their opinion about it.
Let's remove SWF or add your "potential fix for swf" for 1 week and see how the player number go down in 2 days.
And this game isn't competitive, so wrong argument.
If we had a ranking system is just so 2500k hours players doesn't get matched with 10h players, end of the story.
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Never said there shouldn't be rewards for ranking up. In fact in my second comment in this thread I said there should be. If players got some kind of in game reward for being a high rank at the end of a season I think that would be great and would deter players from deranking. Because right now there is litterally no reason to be a high rank.
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This in no way is a catch all, and you will definitely have bad matches but heres a 32 win streak with speed limiter bubba, it's almost as if if you're a good killer, you can do pretty ok with any build.
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And punishing killers by group of friends is ok? Ingame overhearing of voicechat is useless coz these groups can talk other then english language so how it can help me to listening for example russian voicechat if I dont understand??? And coz voicechatting is huge advantage for these groups there shoud be some counteweight for killers to balance chances. Ok so then these should be some boosts for killers facing SWFs like for example 5% haste...etc.
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Not letting people to play with their friends would kill this game.
Simply as that.
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Killers don't care if you're in an SWF or not, the amount of times I've been "accused" of SWFing because I've taken a hit for someone is astronomical, people just want an excuse for why they played poorly (most of the time) it doesn't matter if that excuse is actually true or not.
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Well if I'm playing NA servers I should be grouped with people from NA unless they don't have the regional servers but I am sure they do. You should NOT change something ingame, for an issue that is not. Not to mention but if someone is speaking, shouldn't that give you information alone that "hey, there is someone here cool". It also requires people to group up which makes it harder to loop since you know. Only one person can vault something at a time.
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I like your ideas but i don't think it is possible to eliminate 3rd party communication.
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console players would just use party chat (which disables in game chat). PC players would just disable dbd microphone permissions and continue to use discord. This wouldn't do anything to combat the swf advantage.
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What if I do a whatsaap call or im in the same room with my SWF?
What if Im using steam voice chat, SOMETHING that makes DBD work and BHVR can't do nothing about it?
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Yes that's the sad part 🤔 however having ingame chat could be helpful for solos though.
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If anything it's helpful for solos. There's no guarantee unless there's a way to block said apps during play.
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When I play killer I check all the survivor profiles before the match starts and If I see a swf group I always back out. But many players will make their profile private or hide their friends list to hide the fact they are doing swf
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YIKES.
All that effort for a match you'd probably 4K against anyway lmao.
Don't forget to check the SWF was intended proof video ;)
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It is, but what's the point when I have no restrict doing a discord call and I dont have to be in X meters to hear something?
Let's say the ban all those comms-apps.
What stops BHVR of me doing a whatsaap call/skype/steam voice chat/being in the same room?
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