Stop complaining about gens being done fast

Having a 2nd (engaging) objective would solve all the issues in my opinion. If survivors just want to hold m1 and get out of there asap, there really isn't much you can do as a killer. Like "Just pressure gens" really is a myth. You can't pressure all 4 survivors at once which is why gameplay like tunneling occurs. Pressuring gens when there's 3 survivors remaining rather than 4 is a lot more bearable.

However, there is no denying that holding m1 isn't quite the exciting gameplay players are looking for. Making a 2nd objective in such a way that it is engaging and that it still doesn't require too much from the survivors so that it doesn't stall the game too much would solve this issue and a bonus is that it would be refreshing new gameplay.

I don't necessarily believe it's map design too. I mean, sure place the gens closer together or something similar and pressuring them will be a lot easier, but I've seen gameplay of high movement killers such as Billy on Rotten Fields that got completely crushed and aside from some mistakes, there really wasn't much they could do. I don't think it will be too helpful, but then again I don't know if a 2nd objective would be either so who knows...

That last sentence kinda ruins your legitimacy

It is very doubtful that a main killer says that there is no genrush, the best survivors say that the genrush exists and it is very unlikely that you are a main killer and say that genrush can be avoided 🤔

Should we bookmark this thread for when you run into a group that knows how to hold M1?

I find it hard to believe you're a "killer main" or if you are, that you play at red ranks if you think those perks slow the game in any meaningful way. The devs need to do SOMETHING to slow the game down, or like someone above said, fix the maps so the chases can't be as long if they don't want to fix gen speed or add another objective. They need to do SOMETHING because I have had matches where all the gens are finished in like 5 minutes and I'm not sure what I am supposed to do about that as the killer considering I can only chase one survivor at a time, and if you constantly start a chase then leave it to chase someone else, you apply a tiny bit of pressure but get zero hooks, and the person you just stopped chasing jumps on a gen to take the new person's place anyway. The killer has to chase, hit, chase, down, and hook, four survivors, three times each to 4K. You cannot do that in 5 minutes. Even to get a 2K, if you only go after the two people you end up killing (which never happens) that's still a chase, a hit, a chase, a hit, a hook, times 3 hook states, times 2 survivors. And that's if you never chase or hook the other two which again, isn't usually the case and you're usually chasing/hitting/trying to hook all 4 at various times.

The problem is at low ranks survivors are too scared to just bang out gens, but at high ranks they are incredibly optimal and they can work through Ruin, and the rest of those save for Pop don't do much of anything. Sloppy Butcher slows healing, doesn't affect gens. Thanataphobia, at best, only gives a 16% speed reduction to gen repair, and that is if every single survivor is injured. That is NOT a big difference. Dying Light is the same thing - it gives like a 15% speed decrease AT BEST. High rank survivors can hit an Overcharge skill check. Etc. etc. etc. Ruin and Pop are the only ones that actually help, and Ruin only barely helps and Pop can only be used on one gen at a time and only for 60 seconds after hooking someone.

1) Dying Light and Thana are trash. Thana was in a good spot for like a minute before the devs nerfed it down to an at most 16% decrease in repair speed. Not worth the perk slot. Dying Light, I don't even understand what this perk does anymore. No one uses it because they nerfed it to hell when they messed around with the Obsession mechanic. Giving your obsession a 33% boost to healing speed is NOT worth whatever the hell this perk gives you in return.

2) Ruin and Pop are the current meta because killers HAVE to use them to slow the game down. Trust me, if I didn't HAVE to use Ruin and/or Pop, I wouldn't. There are plenty of other perks I would rather be using but I feel like I am stuck with them permanently in my builds because without them, the game is 4 minutes long. Do you know how boring it is to only have like 1 perk you can actually play with because the rest are required? I feel like I have to run Ruin, Pop and BBQ, so I have one perk slot left for "fun" perks and that's it. I hate it. I would much rather be able to craft different builds with works that work with each other, but as the game is now, it isn't feasible to do that at high ranks. The game will be too short and completely unfun.

3) Even if a few killers did pack them all on, so what? None of them stop you from doing gens, the ones we currently have are incredibly weak, and if the devs did do something to prolong gen times then I'm sure they would work on the gen slow down perks anyway, so honestly that's just a bad argument in my opinion. The devs would NEVER let the game slide into killer sided territory for long. If something like that happened, they would fix it as fast as they nerfed Oni. A few forum posts from pissed off survivors and those perks would be nerfed to hell. But if they are genuinely unneeded because gens suddenly aren't ridiculously easy to complete in under a minute, then I wouldn't even care if they nerfed them all.

I love when people use the terms "apply pressure" or "map pressure" as if they mean anything or make sense. There is one killer and 4 survivors. The killer can chase only one survivor at a time. The chases can take a hell of a long time, so the killer has to decide between following through on the chase, or dropping it and chasing someone else. The killer cannot pressure every gen, all the time, and also chase and hit and down and hook survivors. They are one single person who can only be in one place at a time. In the time it takes the killer from the start of the match to find a survivor, chase them, hit them, chase again, hit them again to down them and finally hook them, the 3 other survivors could be finishing one gen each, so the killer can get their first hook and then have 3 gens pop right after. That is not good or fair. That is not a problem with the killer "not applying pressure." That is a problem with the game where gens go way too fast, and there is no other objective for survivors to do so the game is more than half over already and the killer has gotten one hook. It's ridiculous.

Dying Light and thana are good on certain builds. You stack them with other slow downs and it could pretty well do the work you fail to do, which is end chases sooner so gens don't get done. Maybe it is harder to get use out of them with your SWAT team red ranks but guess what, NOT everyone is red ranks and really good at the game. So yeah, it is a big deal.

Ruin and Pop is the current meta because people are not good at slowing down the game, myself included. Period.

And your last point added absolutely nothing to the conversation. Why nerf all the other perks for the sake of longer gen times. Same outcome. It isn't a solid solution. I agree with current fixing maps to be more balanced is the better solution.