only weak killers use ruin
only weak killers use ruin. you dont need it. if you're an effective killer you can 4k any match at red rank
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Only weak survivors use DH, DS, BT etc
Goes both ways
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Only bad survivors use bt and ds because if you're a good survivor you can escape the killer without being hit.
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i agree weak survivors use DH.
DS i don't see as very effective so i don't rate it
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Then i guess survivors dont need ds bt and adrenaline.
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I wouldn't say only weak players use ruin - a lot of great players use it as well, because why not - it's free pressure and as long as you're not facing a team of good survivors you know you can relax and take it easy as long as ruin is still up.
I personally welcome the change, as a lot of players who run it because it's meta and think they need it (but don't really need it) will experiment with new builds and new ways to play the game. I think that lot of these people will discover that there are other ways to apply pressure and find out they'll actually do better on average without the perk.
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Just gonna do it for memes, tho I don't think a lot of you gonna get the reference
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*Only killers that need time for early game setup use ruin
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*Only killers that are good enough to play with 3 perks after 15 seconds use ruin.
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Its needed on non viable killers at red rank otherwise yea, I can 4k with Hag, Billy, Plague, leatherface (when using pwyf + Nemesis), and freddy. However if i dont put enough pressure early in the game I often will really struggle since the gens get done too quick.
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I am weak killer, give me back the ruin
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And you should be able to hit great skill check, but apparently you can't - "Its punishment of new players or those who can't hit Great Skill Checks."
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That reminds me of the old saying when Freddy was the weakest killer in the game: "I 4k with Freddy everytime at rank 1 without perks and add-ons".
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Wrong. Huntress uses Ruin. Hag uses Ruin. Spirit uses Ruin. Michael uses Ruin. All of the mid to high tier killers are best using Ruin.
Try again.
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>3 gens pop in under 2 minutes
>"LUL WHAT A BOT. EZPZ BABY KILLER GIT GUD"
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let's see i bet every one of you, even the worst killer here has had at least 1 time in their dbd career where their ruin got found instantly, and they still 4k'd... ruin is not as essential as people think. the fact that you can combo it with other gen perks like pop goes the weasel, thana, dying light makes for some ridiculous combos - dont even mention noed. not to brag about my playtime but i play rank 1 killer every season and it is too easy most of the time. switch ruin for another perk like dying light etc and adapt. i did that last night with a very good success.
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Depends on the killer your playing and your playstyle.
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Players won't experiment, they'll just sub Ruin out for Corrupt Intervention and get the same effect, but with less variance. Ruin could go in the first 10s and be worthless or it could stay for 5 min+ and be extremely good value, Corrupt will remove the variance and just give killers the 2 min of safety and Survivors will then complain about that.
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I think some people who are not influenced by popular opinion will experiment. Many are already doing so. Will they be the majority? Most likely not.
To your point:
Possibly, but not necessarily. This might sound a little harsh, but a lot of people are like sheep. In the case of DBD and ruin, if they see a certain streamer use it and endorse it, then they'll see that the majority of the player base uses it and they will be convinced that they need it as well. Take that away and they will wait for the next endorsed substitute and in my opinion this will start with popular streamers again. However, today there are far more options than there were back when ruin became meta, so the herd will be split with different streamers endorsing different builds. This split will create debate, which will either result in a new meta (as you suggest) or a bunch of different options that people gravitate between.
My gut feeling tells me that it's going to be the latter.
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Really just depends on the survivors if you're playing as the higher tier killers like Nurse Spirit etc. But Clown, Legion, Bubba etc. Are just extremely low tier. They're not going to be able to do good against decent survivors without Ruin. But they don't care about killers so I can see why they would be ignorant to this
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I agree with this post completely. And since every killer they bring out anymore is weak, they shouldn't be killing ruin.
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You are right. My totem has been cleansed in 30 seconds and I've managed to get a 4k without any other slowdown perks and with only two perks because I was also running noed and I didn't even reach the endgame. Good killers do not need any slowdown perks nor noed, those are just crutches that won't let you become better if you rely on them. That's why I'm maining clown now and I'm planning on running only two perks until one day I finally get good enough to play without any perk at all as every good, skillful and respectable killer should do.
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A strong SWF team doesn't give a single ######### about Ruin, you're basically left with 3 perks against those swf death squads (which you rarely see). It's the normal games where ruin is needed more where survivors won't be hitting as many skill checks. Obviously they'll still probably get through gens at a reasonable pace but it'll be enough to make the match last long enough for you to get the ball rolling. Now we have corrupt which is much better for swf squads because it guarantees the game doesn't end in 5 minutes.
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Remember, a lot of weak killers play killer not mainly, but as a counterpoint for playing survivor. And since game time is limited, not every player can invest enough time to reach the skill of red rank survivors you are paired against nowadays as a rank 12 killer, especially not for a role you only play 1/4 of the time.
So, killer have to go against survivors high above their own skill level, and they remove the tools because low rank survivor struggle with them.
So, if you are a weak killer you just stop playing? or what is the solution?
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Can you define rarely? Because i ask the survivors after the game, and i dont see them regulary, not at all rare to me.
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