Why even bother with the PTB, just make it live.

He could literally 180 with his one shot ability making him nearly uncounterable if he was somewhat experienced. Not changed correctly at the launch but its in a really good spot now with the PTB, so not a good example.

First of all, I covered that in my post. Secondly your point was that the change was because survivors "not having fun". If you are really defeding the broken version in the PTB right now, you are too biased to even have an argument with.

Well it's not the Public Feedback Beta, it's the Public Test Beta.

I understand why it might feel like that, but that's cognitive bias talking, plain and simple.

Here's a list of things that the devs changed after the last PTB, largely based on player feedback:

• Deep Wound timer will no longer go down when Sprinting or while Mending. Deep Wound is no longer connected with the Killers terror radius.
• Added a small buffer for spawning blood orbs when crouching. A blood orb will spawn right when crouching, but can only spawn a maximum of one per second.
• The Oni will receive blood orbs when pulling a healthy Survivor out of a locker.
• 2 Blood Orbs spawn when hooking a Survivor.
• Decreased the number of Blood Orbs spawned when a Survivor vaults to 2 Blood Orbs, down from 3 Blood Orbs.
• Passive power build-up pauses when reaching a certain threshold (98%) before completely filling. From this point, The Oni needs to absorb at least one Blood Orb to completely fill the power gauge.
• Picking up a Survivor will cancel Blood Fury, however, now it will not reduce your remaining power gauge. Downing a Survivor will not cancel Blood Fury, however, will remove a small portion of the power gauge.
• Ending a dash now incurs a 1 second cooldown, increased from 0.5 seconds.
• Increased the interaction timer of perk, Any Means Necessary, to 4 seconds, up from 3 seconds.
• Decreased the cooldown timer of perk, Any Means Necessary, to 140/130/120 seconds, down from 160/140/120 seconds.
• Decreased the aura reveal duration of add-on, Renjiro's Bloody Glove, to 3 seconds, down from 4 seconds.
• Modified the turn rate ratio of Demon Strike to reduce last moment sharp turns causing the attack to affect a wider arc than intended.
• Destroying a pallet with Demon Strike now plays the properly timed animation, lasting 2 seconds in total.

Here's a list of things that were changed from the PTB before that (again, largely based on player feedback):

• Styptic Agent: To allow more counterplay we've reduced the time that Endurance will be active from 15 seconds to 8 seconds for the Styptic Agent specifically. Borrowed Time's Endurance timing has not changed.
• Anti-Hemorrhagic Syringe: The Heal Over time effect now takes 16 seconds to heal a health state. We've increased the heal over time effect to 16 seconds (up from 8) for the release. As this is an effect that passively heals you while you can do other actions and it can be affected by items/ add-ons and perks we felt that having a timing similar to the regular health state heal made more sense than the 8 seconds that we put on the PTB.
• Fixed an issue that would cause the blink recharge timer to start too early if the player attacks after blinking.
• Moved The Nurse's reappearance audio back to the end of blink. It had been mistakenly moved 0.3 seconds earlier when the changes were made to the blink reappearance visuals.
• Torn Bookmark will now properly let The Nurse start with 3 blink charges (it was previously starting with 2 and only charging up to 3 after a blink had been performed) and removed the blink indicator effect.
• Dark Cincture: Blink recharge time modifier changed from -0.6 seconds to -0.4 seconds.
• Fragile Wheeze: Blink recharge time modifier changed from -0.9 seconds to -0.6 seconds.

Here's a list of changes that were made on the PTB before that:

• The recovery time when missing a Shred attack has been increased by 0.25 seconds, making a total of 2.25 seconds.
• The Demogorgon cannot attack or charge Of the Abyss during the cancel of Of The Abyss.  
• Increased the distance at which a Portal can be placed near Exit switches from 1 meter to 4 meters.
• Killer Instinct will no longer trigger on hooked Survivors.
• Reduced The Demogorgon's walking footsteps sound attenuation from 19 meters to 16 meters.
• Reduced Portal sound range (spawning, cleansing, opening, closing) from 16 meters to 8 meters.
• Reworked the audio on Nancy and Steve.
• Added a vignette on screen for Survivors while in contact with a portal.
• The perk Surge has been changed from 24 meters to 32 meters, and its effect from 12% to 8%.
• Added some additional collision on the top of the railings in the spare labs to prevent Survivors from holding the game hostage [in the Underground Complex map]. 
• Prevented Survivors from taking the game hostage on the broken cat walk in the Rift Lab [in the Underground Complex map].
• Black Heart's effect that decreases charge time for Pounce Attack & Upside Down interaction was changed to "Slightly decrease the Shredded Attack miss cooldown (-0.25sec)" instead.
• Mew's Guts' effect that decreases charge time for Pounce Attack & Upside Down interaction was changed to "Slightly decrease the Shredded Attack miss cooldown (-0.25sec)" instead.

Obviously, there are a lot of good reasons to bother with the PTB. Feedback does change things. Just because they don't make every single change that is suggested by the players, that doesn't mean that they don't listen to player feedback or make adjustments on that basis between PTB and live. Not to mention, the PTB had been live for only a few hours when they announced that they were going to be changing the Doctor's Shock Therapy cooldown, so that's already proof that they're listening to player feedback this time around as well.

The changes were announced yesterday. The PTB has been going on for barely 12 hours. I get that it's disheartening not to see the devs saying things like "yes we agree there are issues and we're going to change them" right away, but if they're following their usual pattern, that's because they're giving it some breathing room and waiting to see if people still have the same complaints once they've had a bit more time to test and get used to the changes.

They've proved in the past that they're willing to listen, as you say, even though at the time, the people giving the feedback felt exactly the same way as you do now. We can say from past experience that they probably are listening even if they're not responding very encouragingly. So let's give them a bit more than 24 hours of leeway and see if they'll be willing to do something this time.

If you want to interpret that from what was said I can't really stop you, but all they've actually said is they were happy with how the perk ran during their internal testing. It's true that the Ruin changes weren't asked about in the survey, and honestly I don't know why that is, but there is still the feedback subforum.

Yes, it is entirely possible that they're going to push the changes through regardless of what the players say. But too many people are treating that like it's already confirmed and not just a possibility. The fact is, we don't know what they're going to do until they've done it. In the meantime, if we want change to happen, all we can do is use the avenues available to us, like the feedback subforum, to make our opinions heard.

Thats not a list of things changed based on feedback, I am sorry. As an example, the blink recharge add-ons were not nerfed because of player feedback. Litterally no one asked for it.

Hence why I said "largely based on player feedback". Some changes are ones the devs decide to make on their own. In that same patch, though, the Styptic, Syringe, audio and Torn Bookmark changes were all based on player feedback from the PTB. The only changes that probably weren't are the recharge add-on changes, and what was essentially a bug fix. All the major changes were feedback-based, though, and mostly killer feedback at that.

How do you know nothing will change? I dislike the changes made to ruin but it still can be changed.

I don’t expect them to completely pull the idea since it can work but I’d like some number tweaks. I don’t want ruin changed but the idea can work (I think it’ll need buffs though), I don’t play doc so I won’t speak about him, I do however use ruin and would like the numbers tweaked.

I read the blog. I understand why people are pissed. I was personally disappointed in both it and the Ruin changes, which in my opinion don't benefit either killers or survivors (but that's another discussion).

I'll say it one last time, because honestly I'm getting tired of repeating myself on this topic: I get why people are pissed. I do. If you don't want to leave feedback, if you think it won't matter, that is entirely up to you. I disagree, so I'm going to give feedback, even if it doesn't get taken on board, because if no one says anything then it definitely won't. No one is forcing you to leave feedback if you think it's pointless, but if you have a problem with the way the devs are communicating, there's no point taking it up with me.

Fair enough, i figured as much anyway, but just wanted to make sure.

And you did, and i elaborated.

Guess we'll always disagree on this, so i'm putting it to rest before it escalates.

Okay, i figured it was easy to understand since explaining it would be repeating something i mentioned before, but here goes: It's primary function is to test.

Feedback is an important aspect, but it's not a primary function.

You know, like how videogames in general have the primary function to entertain, and competition within those games is an important aspect, but not the primary function.

That's how "it's not what it's made for", if it was just pure feedback, there'd be no reason to call it Public Test Build.

Hopefully it's clear to you now. 😊