The real issue-killers want average 3-4k kills balance

What is your deal with hating on Killers?

Almost every discussion you have opened or comment you have made is hating on Killers.

#killersarepeopletoo

Its situational. If you're in red ranks and you absolutely don't have any idea what you are doing ofc you're gonna get -1. But if you keep your pressure, hook every survivor, if you don't slug, don't camp, you are def not gonna depip. You can farm in all other emblems and get 8k in all of them but you won't get 8k in sacrifice but that's enough for pip.

Which is why I think the game is relatively balanced at the moment. Most killers need some QoL buffs to make them more viable at higher ranks. But otherwise it's not in a bad spot. The emblem system needs a rework though. When kills are all the deciding factor in your pip it's an issue.

2 kills are great if the match felt like what I did mattered and I had an impact. Basically defined as everyone 2+ hooked and no trolling from either side. If it's one of those 4 man swf teams that mess with me then yeah I want a 4k but it's so silly that people think "lol you only want 4 ks" and expect to be taken seriously

no, killers want a chance to 3-4k even against very good survivors, or, in other words, that when everything else is the same (skill in looping and countering it, game sense, positioning..) no side is artificially aided.

As it stands right now, a good swf with com can have:

• huge maps
• synergising items and perks (e.g. toolboxes with a couple of prove thyself / medkits and borrowed time / flashlights and unbreakable / rainbow maps and key...)
• favourable rng with connected tiles / pallets
• ...Object of Obsession

I don't want to remove the casualness from DbD altogether, I think that's part of the fun, but I don't want either that if a survivor never mess up the Killer just don't stand a chance (...even when the killer don't mess up as well). The kill rate is so high and in favour of killers simply because there are not that many good swf with com and the matchmaking doesn't work - meaning that a good killer for every competent team will face at least 3 or 4 teams that aren't at its level.

That's also one of the reason why when @Peanits says that if a killer can't win without Ruin he will derank and play at a more comfortable level one becomes frustrated: if I'm rank 1 or rank 6 it won't change a thing, I'll face exactly the same survivors, with the same proportion. There's a inherent lack of meritocracy in the current ranking system first, and match making secondly (but arguably most importantly).

EDIT: and let's not forget the currently messed up audio. From what I know Devs never acknowledged that the audio is not working properly, so I really don't know what to make up from that.

Yes, and this egocentric mindset is the problem, but at least you are being honest, kudos for that.

The problem with the emblem system that some people mention here is real and DEVs must rework it for killers, so they are better rewarded even if they didn't 3k-4k. But the problem with low survival rate is just as bad for survivors and must be addressed too. 30%-35% escape rate on average is just not acceptable.

You have just invented that "logic". I never saw any survivor demanding that, most survivors understand that the game will be fair with 2 kills - 2 escapes.

That's just common sense. This game is played by real people, not by bots, so anything else is unfair for one of the sides.

That statement is incorrect at red ranks. Gatekeeper gives no points now that ruin is gone and the update seems to have just broken ruin. To pip you have to max chase max hooks and get 4 sacrifices. You have to play perfectly to pip and anything less than that might let you safety. Non mobility killers have to 3 gen lock to get the game to last long enough and at that point gatekeeper emblem gives almost no points. I have to switch from clown and wraith to hillbilly and nurse or spirit just to have a viable killer option. Because ending Chase's quickly isn't enough anymore you have to move around the whole map pushing players off of gens and it just isn't possible against red rank survivors who know what they are doing.

I don't always want a 3k+ match. My problem stems from the fact SWF can easily bully, especially if they're good. What you don't seem to understand is killers get punished for some of these SWF and the match making system. When I was new to the game soon as I reached yellow ranks as killer, I'm going against red, purples with their brown ranked friends. Killers have very little control, and that's a bit evident with the ruin changes. "Think of the new players." Yes, the match making screws them, but it's mainly due to the fact they want to SWF with their higher ranked friends.

YOU don't have control as a killer. It's if a survivor makes a mistake then you can punish them for it. If they fail to loop properly, you get to punish them for it. But you get punished more often as a killer than you do survivor. Yes, I agree that there should be some safe pallets and loops, but when you can't even mind game at them then it's pointless. You have to move on and let them abuse poor map designs.

While playing a game as a survivor, I ran into a 3 stack SWF who were purposely playing bad to derank so they could bully lower rank killers. So, some killers will derank so they can do the same thing. This comes down to toxicity in the community. But if I play well, that makes me a sweaty try hard killer. If I just play for fun, then I'm just a bad killer.

So really, this game is leaning towards survivors. I love playing killer, but sometimes it's disheartening. And please, don't say "they nerfed self care." You know why they did it? Literally healing faster than a killer can hit you. You messed up at a loop so the killer gets punished for it. Least that they changed.

This is a straight lie. It is impossible to gain 16 points in red ranks if 2 people escape. Even if you somehow held the Gatekeeper, Malicious, and Chase emblems to Iridescent, you cannot get Iridescent in Devout. You will only get silver. It is literally impossible. So please, stop lying.

If you are 2 pipping while survivors escape, you're not red ranks, and you're not what we're discussing.

The devout emblem is literally "how many survivors you've killed." If you only kill two, you get a silver emblem. Again it's not rocket science, so stop lying. You must get iridescent in all emblems to double pip in red ranks as killer...i.e. 16 points. (You only need 15 points for survivor.)

Just based on how you're talking, you've never made it to red as killer at least but sure buddy keep thinking the way you want.

Edit - technically you can also only get gold in Devout if you kill all 4 but didn't get 9 hooks, but you absolutely cannot get iridescent with only 2 kills.

I killed them. I killed them all. They're dead, every single one of them. And not just the men, but the women and the children, too. They're like animals, and I slaughtered them like animals. 

But the game detects a 2k as Entity Displeased, aka a loss.

im pretty sure of your playing that well you should be getting a four k unless you let people go

Does it really matter what the game shows you at the endscreen? Is it more important than a much more real metric of a game performance and fun, like the escape ratio? By your logic, if the game showed you "merciless victory" after 0k, you would consider that a victory, just because the game showed you that?

Makes no sense whatsoever and sounds like an excuse.

That's exaggeration. But nonetheless, that's exactly the definition of "average", you can't make all people show the same performance in games, so there's no other better approach.