Tried playing without ruin

Why would you give up chase or tracking potential by using ruin against a good team?

Ruin is just good to let a killer think they have a chance when in reality the whole team can still hit the skill check anyways.

My first game without ruin resulted in 2 DCs for using Corrupt Intervention, Thana and Dying light on Plague >.>

You are playing an anti stealth killer, you can apply a ton of pressure with Doctor. I'm not saying you're bad, just showing the options. That said, the Doctor rework might make the anti stealth a bit harder since they are changing the way his passive works. On a large map, it might be hard to get around, but if you shock everyone enough you should know roughly where they are and what they might be doing.

I'm not talking about doctor I like the doctor change I don't like the ruin nerf i was never talking just about the doctor there is other low mobility killers I don't main doctor

Playing that map as survivor I'm exactly the same I know most of will likely escape so there's no worry, I've won only a few times and they were either potatoes or I was playing spirit(post-nerfed) all times I needed ruin or else gen rush

I can say ruin being gone early or instantly on a small map doesn't effect me that much but on a bigger map it's worse

Yeah, but this is something which does not apply to "Ruin gone" or "Ruin not gone". This is simply the amount of Pressure a Killer can apply. This has so many factors, of course the Killers Skill and the Survivor Skill (if the Survivors are better, they also should win. Only because Killer is the Powerrole should not mean that they should win every game). But also the Maps and those are the biggest factor IMO. There is no interaction between Killer and Survivor and a Gen can be done without any interaction happening, because the Killer needs to cross the Map.

But I would say, this has nothing to do with Ruin. You will have a hard time on lets say Disturbance Ward with or without Ruin, because of the size and that stupid Building in the middle. Had one of those games recently, outplaying them at every structure, but once they ran to that building, I needed to let them go there, because I would waste too much time (which again, would lower my pressure). I dont blame Survivors for that, if I am there, I use it myself. But those are things that need change.

And well, like you said, if the Map is small, it does not really matter. e.g. Wreckers Yard, pretty good Map for Killer, small, and some of the worst Totem Spots (like almost all Totems are in T/L-Walls, often enough next to Gens). You can have a pretty good game on that Map even without Ruin (or gone early because it needs to spawn on one of the most obvious places).

In the more recent stats it was Number 1:

Only followed by Haddonfield (which still sucks, even after the BL-Nerf, so everyone who was happy about that will hopefully have a good time on Haddonfield now.../s) and Cowshed, which can have the most stupid RNG (Cow-Loop into Jungle Gym into Long Wall Into Shack into Long Wall into Long Wall into Jungle Gym...).

I mean, not every Map needs to suck like Hawkins when it comes to Pallets (there are two safe Pallets, the rest is pure #########), but I feel that Badham has a good value of Pallets. A lot of them, mostly unsafe, but with safe Pallets in the Buildings. Rotten Fields is also not really enjoyable as Survivor, at least for me, because the only advantage it brings is the size. The Map itself is horrible with the giant Deadzones.

If they would rework a lot of Maps (and I really hope for the new Roadmap to have less chapters and also some game health patches), there could be so much more. Like from those 6 Maps displayed here, all 6 need to be reworked (with Lerys getting it already). Even the Game is not a good map, it is boring to play, because there are mostly safe Pallets and no Vaults, so you can only loop Pallet after Pallet... And it only really benefits the Killer for the size and the Totem Spawns, and if you are not running Ruin (like me), you need to deal with the shitload of safe Pallets without any real benefit.

So yeah, Maps are the problem, not Gens and not Ruin.

Oddly Ruin is one of those perks you don't actually need, but at the same time you get punished for not having it a lot. So it's like a hypothetical perk if someone's says they need it you can argue for or against it and no ones technically wrong.

Problem is without it being in the game the main reason it was used which was for bad map matchups. A lot of players will struggle because of those maps. Removing the perk without solving the issue for what it was used for is honestly a bad idea.

Have never unlocked ruin and have only played hag once (many years ago and was destroyed so never tried again). Yes generators can go really fast with a SWF but that can happen with ruin anyway but from never using Ruin in my games, I haven’t learned to play without relying on it. Keep in mind I use other perks, discordance and surveillance being my favorite, to keep gens in check.

Long chases is what destroy killer not gen speeds. If I sense a strong loop or survivor I just leave them and mess with those working on gens. Interrupting gens was the best lesson learned over the years. I also play Legion (main), Pig, Plague, and Ghostface and have gotten Red ranks consistently if I play enough.

Also killer mains, try endgame builds it has been so fun changing the games power balance with perks like Blood warden, Remember me, and Rancor. Survivors think they have it in the bag, then BOOM. Surprise lol survivor main btw, everyone can do it! Play both sides you’ll learn a lot.

Even with survivor's being that great, even if they land a good skill check with current ruin, they are still at least partially delayed. So it can allow more pressure off survivor mistakes raising your chances for victory. Now under a perfect concept they never miss a great, your outcome would still be slower with ruin, then without due to the great skillcheck bonus.

honestly as doc it is hard to do basically anything on a large map and ruin is really good on large maps so i cant blame you for complaining after all it is basically impossible to win in that situation regardless of how good you are at the game

Use a slug build and tunnel the first survivor then you can play without Ruin. I'm not going to play without it until the nerf is here for real. Going to enjoy being killer and survivor until that sad day comes.