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Are there no red rank killers?
Im beginning to think there are little to no red rank killers (on console anyway) i am currently rank 7-6 an EVERY. SINGLE. MATCH is against 4 rank 2-1s. I'm not even exagerrating.
I get there is a 6 rank buffer but the gulf in skill between a rank 6 surv and a rank 1 surv is massive, let alone dealing with 4 of them.
People may tell me to just get gud but the ######### is tough man, when 1 surv can run you for 3 gens and the other 3 are just as good its not fun
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That's because of the new matchmaking logic that makes every game a red rank game as long as there's one red rank survivor.
If there's 1 red rank and 3 yellow ranks in the survivor side, the matchmaking looks for a red rank killer. Eventually every single one of them is in a game, so sometimes a game with 4 red rank survs gets a purple, sometimes even green rank killer.
Yeah it's a garbo system but what can we do
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That's what happens when killer is nerfed over and over
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No, that's what happens when matchmaking is horrible. There are still PLENTY of red rank killers because ranking up is still easy on both sides.
Stop putting everything in the "killers are bad waaaah" echo chamber we don't need this kind of unproductive take here
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PS4 player here
Im barely at rank 4 right now, just got 3 entities displeased in a row, one playing as oni, one as billy and one as doc
The maps I got were not exactly good for the killers I was playing, plus, the survivors were also pretty solid
Red ranks as killer is really, really hard if you lack the experience or the skill
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The problem lies when there isnt a weak link in the survivor team. If there is a mix of ranks, you can wear the team down and the red rank/strong chaser will be easier to deal with.
When every memeber of the squad has full optimal loadout and knows exactly how to run tiles and where they need to go next there arent alot of options as killer.
The new ruin change is another example of the devs not realising how strong these high rank teams can be. "Ruin will benefit the killer in late game" is the biggest joke ever when talking about a hex perk.
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Exactly, it needs to go back to the average rank but scaled up a bit so if a swf red ranks can't totally bully the poor green rank that didn't see it coming.
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Yeah, that's exactly what I'm in favor of. Average weighed towards the top a bit.
Because let's be real, it's not only the fun factor of the games that gets screwed. How are we supposed to do anything with red rank kill rates if a game with a red rank killer and a single red rank survivor+ 3 yellow rank potatoes counts as a red rank game?
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I can give my anecdotal observations. I'm a rank 1 killer and rank 4 survivor on PC.
I typically get red survivors when I queue up for killer games. My killer queues are instant. I also get rainbow ranks due to SWF matchmaking changes.
When I queue up as a solo survivor, I've been getting purple and lower killers. No exaggeration, I haven't faced a red rank killer in my last 6 survivor games. Two of the killers were rank 16. Again, I'm a rank 4 survivor. Actually, 3 rank 16 killers now counting the last game. They hooked 1 person all game. Good new player experience.
As for why, I'm not sure. Matchmaking is probably broken, and a lot of red rank killers are probably not playing out of frustration over game speed. Games become broken when you balance objective speed and map tiles around people who don't really know how to play or who aren't particularly skilled. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being either of those things, but, it makes higher skilled play pretty unbalanced when the lowest common denominator is the balancing factor. It's not even an issue of doing well most matches as a red rank killer. I've had 3 hour streams where 3 survivors total escaped. It's when you run into super skilled survivors that can exploit every advantage survivors have that your previous games almost feel fraudulent. It just stinks, especially if it happens multiple games in a row.
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ON POINT! The red rank stats mean nothing with this matchmaking system.
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You can continue to bury your head in the sand or worship the ground the devs walk on while the exodus of killers persists.
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Youve got to decide which killer you like best, and get good with it. Try the Hag. Before her i used Freddy. Will never go back. The Hag is the best killer in the game.
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When you stop with the theatrics and start analyzing the facts I'll talk to you. This is a matchmaking problem as anyone who wants to see it instead of whining can see. I haven't heard of a single killer player who stopped playing the game besides faceless names in the internet which is worth just as much as my anecdotal evidence that everything is fine.
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Many Red-ranked killers intentionally demote to stomp lower-ranked survivors to make them feel better and the lower-ranked survivors stressed and possibly end up quitting the game.
Demoting shouldn't really be possible and should put a limit with how far you can demote.
Reds cannot be demoted back to Purple; Purple back to Green; Green to Yellow; Yellow to Grey; etc.
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Did you ever stop to think the match making problem can be based (at least partially) on a lack of red rank killers? My guess is no
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No, because there's absolutely no reason to think that when the matchmaking problem exists. There's absolutely no reason that would happen when mediocre killers can absolutely make it to red ranks.
When playerbase starts dropping you can bring that up. Until then nah.
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I have a solution to that, but SWF teams are not gonna like it. :P
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I play both sides evenly and used to be a rank 1 killer and surv. I stayed there comfortably until the birth of my son. Not everyone gets the time to become or maintain being an elite player.
Matchmaking should absolutely be based around the killers rank. I dont mean to sound biased but every player in the lobby should start on a level playing field and let their in game performance be the only deciding factor of the outcome of a trial
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He's right to a degree, a lot of killers at red ranks have stopped or play more survivor now. A red rank game is more stressful for killer, I am not saying easy for survivors either but it's mentally exhausting as a killer compared to someone who has been red ranks this past season in both.
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Well, matchmaking wasn't a problem until the nerf hammer went bat crazy.
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Well, matchmaking wasn't a problem until THEY LITERALLY CHANGED THE MATCHMAKING LOGIC
jesus christ stop trying to deny facts to support an iffy narrative
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No? So it's absolutely not possible? It sounds like you have something of a bias. You are quick to say killers are overreacting but won't look at problems other than the overall matchmaking issue. It's harder for killer to pip and just because player base isn't dropping doesn't mean everyone is ranking up to red rank.
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It's easy for killer to pip. Anyone who's not awful at killer will tell you that. Killers that don't belong in their rank are just as prevalent as survivors who don't belong in their rank.
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Sorry, the last thing this community needs is more people denying facts and making stuff up to stir up more conflict.
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Tell me enlightened killer players, when killer queues were absolutely awful before they changed matchmaking did that mean survivors were quitting the game? Was the game awful for survivor?
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I would suggesst you to stop right there. Don't push any firther (tough you're already playing against broken SWF red ranks).
I've managed to push to rank 4 playing pig with no ruin... let's just say I got a bunch of red potatos in a row.
Today I went against REALY RED RANKS SWF..
Not ashame to admit, I DC 5 times in a row cause there was literally no point.
Coordinated unhooks, 10s sec totem duration, god loop being exploited to its maximum. no point at all.
save yourself from the frustration and just stay at rank 8-10.
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It's 100% a matchmaking issue, if it was due to red rank killers "leaving" it would be gradual, but it went from 1-2 minut lobbies for survivors to 5-10 in the space of a day, while it did the opposite for killers and their lobbies are now instant.
Here is a video that explains the current situation very well.
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The intention of this post wasnt to start an argument as to the balance of the game but more to ask why green/purple rank killers can be matched with a full team of rank 1s when they clearly have no business being in the same lobby.
We all know there are numerous balance issues for both sides at all ranks.
I am currently a rank 2 survivor and rarely see a red rank killer. I always leave a thumbs up or message the killer to apologise if they were far outside of what should be acceptable matchmaking. Its horrible being utterly obliterated in 5 mins
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And the answer has already been given. It's a matchmaking issue. Before they changed MM killer queues were long and survivor queues were instant. That definitely didn't mean there weren't red rank survivors. It was a matchmaking issue, just like what we have now.
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Everyone seems to forget it's 4 on 1. Killers had longer ques earlier because there was small lack of survivors. Now that people are leaving killer for survivor this has shifted. It's simple math.
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When you have little to no evidence to support a claim it's better to go for the obvious answer.
Before matchmaking changed, killer queues were long and survivor queues were instant. After the matchmaking changed, things were reversed.
Matchmaking change: a factual phenomenon which can be observed and clearly explained.
"Killer exodus": an isolated phenomenon which has no clear evidence of existing, let alone outside of the bubble which are the forums.
Shall we accept the clear answer? Or do we really need to instill more pointless, baseless conflict based on absolutely nothing?
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Love Tofu, love love love and watch him nearly everyday on stream. But I commented on his video and flat out disagreed. His theory is that red rank survivors are getting matched up against lower killers because now all of the split SWF teams are taking the red rank killers whereas they used to take rank 10 or whatever was average.
This doesn't make sense, if it was true than the teams of 1,1, 2 and 20 would be matched up against red rank killers at the same rate that a team of 1, 1, 1 and 1 are.
I have been in lobbies with all solo red ranks and have been in lobby with me, another red rank solo, and then a red rank and his rank 20 friend and similar situations. I haven't seen a red rank killer all day, as Tofu would say litteralee all day. Tell me again how many red rank killers there are? That would be an interesting stat since BHVR likes to use stats to justify things, how about telling us how many red rank survivors play at least one game a day compared to how many killers do the same?
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I get its a matchmaking issue, thats why i marked your answer as accepted. I was unsure as to whether there is actually just a small number red rank killers or not (I dont think anyone is leaving).
I dont particularly care about nor did i mention que times, thats not what this was about. I just want to have a friendly conversation about people (on both sides) being absolutely stomped for no reason other than " matchmaking lol"
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Can't both be true?
His numbers back it up his idea. For every 4 survivors they need 1 killer, so that means for every killer that decides he quits that takes a game away from 4 survivors. To compound it, for every killer that switched to survivor and is also red rank there that takes a game away from 5 people in a way because he's eating up a survivor slot as well.
I also think matchmaking is super bugged and terrible right now which is also a cause. I am beyond upset that BHVR hasn't addressed this issue since their stream a month ago saying they were looking into it.
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I get what you're saying. Assuming people aren't just massively leaving (which would be easy to observe by player count numbers), I don't think there's a lack of red rank killers. Requirements for ranking up haven't changed in quite a while, and rank reset hasn't come yet. That's why I believe it's purely a matchmaking issue.
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Thing is, we have no reason whatsoever to believe that's the case.
Since we had the exact same problem on the survivor side before the matchmaking changed, why are we just assuming killers are quitting when nothing besides angry people threatening to leave (which happens every single day, even without any changes) supports that?
Do we just assume people were quitting from survivor before the matchmaking changed too? A lot, and I mean a lot of people were saying they didn't play survivor anymore, but no one took that seriously. Just like I'm not taking empty threats from killer players seriously now.
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That's fair enough. I just think it's too much coincidence that all these changes to killers like nurse and legion and now ruin happen coincides with longer survivor times.
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We don’t have numbed to back up either way, as far as reason I think some people left or quit killer because it’s hard or at least they feel it’s hard... do I agree, no but I can see it make people quit.
The problem is matchmaking is so bugged right now it’s hard to know anything if you ask me
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I agree its matchmaking. I fear that issues as bad as this matchmaking issue are going to cause the playerbase to stall/fall.
The devs do not seem as invested as they used to be (when i got the game on release for console in 2017 there was a dev stream every week).
New players wont stay. Between the lack of knowledge given by the turorial and the chance to be matched with someone miles above your skill level, there isnt much insentive to grind.
Old/Veteran players could leave as the previous issue, amongst myriad other issues (broken sounds for killer being huge) just arent being addressed. From what i see on the forums some issues dont even get acknowledged
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And I feel like people would have no reason to quit now. Sure, if we see a player dip after the Ruin changes that's reasonable. But if anything I see people playing more now before Ruin gets actually changed.
Killer has always been hard. No reason to quit now over anytime before, when MoM was a thing for example. I would be way more tempted to quit back then with that busted perk than now.
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I think it's still the christmas vibes from the devs tbh. They're usually more invested and they have been communicating a lot with the playerbase last year for example. I don't know how it was back in 2017 though because I started early 2018.
I do agree current matchmaking is AWFUL for new players though. As a new survivor or killer I'd just downright quit the game when I first started playing if I got matched against red ranks. This game is already cruel as is for new players without this extra hurdle. I do hope they fix that soon. Matchmaking worries me MUCH more than Ruin atm.
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Agreed!! Thanks by the way to you and everyone else in the thread for keeping things civil and engaging in adult conversation. Its nice to be able to disagree with people but still be offered inciteful discussions 👍🏻
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I'm not quitting by any stretch and while I still consider myself a killer main I've been playing more survivor lately. None of the killer changes really affected me yet, I'm on ps4, but two reasons I've been playing survivor are swf is a lot more social and fun then soloing against dick survivors all the time, and and I guess I feel sort of offended by the way the devs keep hamstringing killers. They pretty much have just taken the wind out of my sail i guess you could say, seeing how the game is going totally survivor sided.
I really think many red rank killers quit or have done something similar to me. I do not buy that it is only a matchmaking issue, I'm rank 5 killer right now but for the last several ranks I only get rank 1 and 2 survivors unless someone brings a lower level friend. As a rank 2-3 survivor I'm getting matched with 5-12 killers. I did actually get a few red rank killers the other day, however.
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Good points, honestly all good points you’ve made and a lot of other people have made so far. I’m glad there’s no ugly arguing, without proof we just have to guess and your points do make yours sound like the likely case.
I still feel that the Ruin change and they way they worded the PTB release, constantly mentioning how they wanted to make it more fun for survivors, may have been the last straw for some people.
Persoally I used to be 90/10 killer, now I’m more 50/50 not because killer is harder but because survivor challenges me in a whole different way actually almost feels like a second game.
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I would be very interested in seeing the pecentages of the whole playerbase (including all platforms) across all ranks.
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Yeah that's the data we're missing tbh.
New rank reset just royally ruins things for me, rank already doesn't mean much and now everyone will be eventually forced into red ranks. Good luck having any indication of skill then. Right now matchmaking is coinflip, with this new rank reset games will be even more coinflip regardless of rank.
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Ironically I feel like if there were no ranks or with more people getting to red ranks on both sides that matches may actually end up being a little more even.
However the possibility would still remain for newbies on both sides to be absolutely destroyed.
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The fact that not a dev/community manager/mod has said anything speaks volumes for me.
Even just a "we are aware of this issue" would have been enough to know someone is watching and that we have a shred of hope that issues are being worked on or looked at.
There are several assymetrical games being released this year. There will be competition where there was none and the lack of fixes/communication will tell sooner rather than later.
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It's 2020, you should keep up with the times if you think ranking up is "easy on both sides". I've been playing killer since I started and with the new changes I played Survivor for 2 days and got to red ranks...
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Why would the matchmaking match me with rank 10s 3/4 of the time in red ranks?
Im very sure there are just no red rank killers, because red ranks suck for killers.
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Even after Nurse's nerf, I am still a Rank 1 killer and main her. More often than not I get some Brown and Purple ranked survivors in a single match, which sucks for them.
Although playing as a Red rank survivor, I'm rarely pitted up against red rank killers now, which is a bit saddening.
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