Bloodlust “OP” and Survivor is a walk in the park
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It won't affect me at all since i've only been playing Nurse since last September, and stopped using any other killer. I was just tired of being looped, i recognised it's a problem that will never go away (because it would mean remaking completely from dust the new chase mechanic) so i said: i didn't buy this game to be looped around ######### for ages, it doesn't mean it's unbalanced, it just means it's stupid, the game is stupid, so i just play Nurse, and i'm fine with that, we could say that if every killer was like me, this game would be dead ages ago. I understand you though, i understand this is not the definition of a good game and that some people might get tired of the same killer over and over again every time.
On the bright side, at least we will finally get a good balance for DS, finally and hopefully.
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I have been playing on and off for a few months now, trying to find a Killer that feels strong enough to main, but unfortunately you are totally right. With all the bullshit that comes with loops and bloodlust now being nerfed (even though it is a near pointless addition, it still shows Survivor experience trumps Killers) I feel like Nurse is the only way to really go to maintain a power role. As boring as it would be to just play one killer, not because I enjoy them, but just so I feel that I have an actually Killer to play as is really a sad experience for any Killer mains.
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@sorrowen said:
Why nerf bloodlust I mean really? It’s just going to make loopable killers more loopable and now kindred will be built in. Why not build in ruin why you are “balancing” killer and survivor. Listen I left the game but I want those who are still playing to have the best game they can. Fact remains you are making nurse truely the only viable killer. Don’t get me started on how Myers had been treated a superhumanly strong and immortal killer gets stunned by a big piece of wood. Why I wonder if in the new Halloween film he will get pallet stunned 😧 I mained Nurse but got bored because she is the only viable killer who ignores all the survivors BS. Nerfing bloodlust isn’t a good idea even though it’s a sketchy mechanic at best. Balance in this game is completely backwards from what the genre is supposed to be. Killer(Power role) and survivor(weaker role but I guess the fact you guys won’t address the simple survivor objective says a lot. Get gens and get out pretty much puts the game on a timer for the killer and it’s not in the killers favor to begin with....They want nurse to be the only killer. Otherwise I cant explain the recent changes
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@Killigma said:
I have been playing on and off for a few months now, trying to find a Killer that feels strong enough to main, but unfortunately you are totally right. With all the bullshit that comes with loops and bloodlust now being nerfed (even though it is a near pointless addition, it still shows Survivor experience trumps Killers) I feel like Nurse is the only way to really go to maintain a power role. As boring as it would be to just play one killer, not because I enjoy them, but just so I feel that I have an actually Killer to play as is really a sad experience for any Killer mains.You just have to quit the game for some time until devs realize they did a mistake. Only when survivors cry about 30 min queuetimes, they will notice that sth went wrong.
Of course you can switch to survivor or play another game as cote suggested. Some might call this a "strike", I just call it following the devs advice
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Honest question here. When was the last time you actually hit BL3? I've never hit it without specially trying to while testing the speed.
Also, Myers takes a hell of a beating in all the movies. He gets stunned by ordinary objects regularly. But that aside, this is a game, not a movie. If the game played like the movies, everyone would have to pretend not to see Myers as he runs up and instantly kills you. Doesn't sound like fun to me.8 -
That's a trick question.Peanits said:Honest question here. When was the last time you actually hit BL3? I've never hit it without specially trying to while testing the speed.
Also, Myers takes a hell of a beating in all the movies. He gets stunned by ordinary objects regularly. But that aside, this is a game, not a movie. If the game played like the movies, everyone would have to pretend not to see Myers as he runs up and instantly kills you. Doesn't sound like fun to me.
BL resets on every chance it gets. 2 days ago I lost BL on autohaven while I got looped around 1 car.
No pallet, no hit, just the 2 of us running around a car. I had BL1 and out of nowhere I get chase points and lost my BL.2 -
@ZombieGenesis said:
Their excuse was because "it doesn't feel good to survivors". So there you have it, the battle cry of BHVR "it doesn't feel good to survivors" so nerf it. That's how this game has been for 2+ years and it is apparently not going to change.Emergency killer nerfing due to the survivor backlash from that minor exhaustion nerf. Survivors know that review bombing makes the developers go down on their knees, begging for those positive reviews back.
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You should play wraith and see how often you reach BL 2 or BL 3 if the survivors use very strong loops. Just saying.WhateverIGuess said:Because it's fun getting downed by a trash killer just because they are 10x faster than you with bloodlust.
Stop with this bullshit, most of the good killers reach max BL 1 or rarely BL 2.1 -
@WhateverIGuess said:
Because it's fun getting downed by a trash killer just because they are 10x faster than you with bloodlust.
Stop with this bullshit, most of the good killers reach max BL 1 or rarely BL 2.Not when the survivors pallet loop and most pallets don't need mind games for a survivor to win those loops. BTW Bloodlust disappears when breaking a pallet!
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@Peanits said:
Honest question here. When was the last time you actually hit BL3? I've never hit it without specially trying to while testing the speed.Also, Myers takes a hell of a beating in all the movies. He gets stunned by ordinary objects regularly. But that aside, this is a game, not a movie. If the game played like the movies, everyone would have to pretend not to see Myers as he runs up and instantly kills you. Doesn't sound like fun to me.
Pallet looping is OP tho and you have to acknowledge that tbf
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@se05239 said:
@ZombieGenesis said:
Their excuse was because "it doesn't feel good to survivors". So there you have it, the battle cry of BHVR "it doesn't feel good to survivors" so nerf it. That's how this game has been for 2+ years and it is apparently not going to change.Emergency killer nerfing due to the survivor backlash from that minor exhaustion nerf. Survivors know that review bombing makes the developers go down on their knees, begging for those positive reviews back.
Killers might not be able to review bomb because they are the minority, but they have the power to not play the game or switch to survivor. Call it a strike or not, I call it following cotes advice
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Peanits said:Honest question here. When was the last time you actually hit BL3? I've never hit it without specially trying to while testing the speed.Ironically this change affects even fewer players than the exhaustion related change and here we are, complaints about things that 1. Have been discussed months prior, and 2. Affects the few people who regularly and carefully looptyloop for 2 minutes straight.Tbh I don't think the BL changes need to happen simply because of the few ridiculously safe loops we have in the game, particularly the asylum and warehouse. But I just find it so ironic that killer mains are doomsaying now when excusing the exhaustion changes under the same pretenses (I. E. it doesn't affect you, and the devs didn't intend for you to play that way).5
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... Weird to see...
Killer mains in the 2.0/2.1 Patch sad: Oh, stop crying about Surv. Nerfs...
Killer mains now cry about a litte Killer Nerf and a Surv. buff...BTW that kindred thing is a really big Nerf to Camping imo... 4 me as a BBQ Wraith, i dont care about that buff. 4 me about a Surv. I love it, cuz it will finally Conter All thos camping noob Killers
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In regards to the bloodlust change, it wouldn't have an effect, since breaking a pallet would reset bloodlust. But OP isn't the word I'd use. I'd say boring. You can get way more done through windows and mind games, only using pallets as a last resort. Running in circles around pallets just takes zero skill and isn't fun for anyone.KillingInstinct said:@Peanits said:
Honest question here. When was the last time you actually hit BL3? I've never hit it without specially trying to while testing the speed.Also, Myers takes a hell of a beating in all the movies. He gets stunned by ordinary objects regularly. But that aside, this is a game, not a movie. If the game played like the movies, everyone would have to pretend not to see Myers as he runs up and instantly kills you. Doesn't sound like fun to me.
Pallet looping is OP tho and you have to acknowledge that tbf
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It absolutely does not counter it. Bloodlust resets when you break a pallet. The reality is, bloodlust currently punishes survivors who don't rely on pallets to gain distance while doing nothing to stop pallet looping. Less pallets used = less bloodlust resets. Bloodlust encourages looping, if anything.ZombieGenesis said:@Peanits said:
In regards to the bloodlust change, it wouldn't have an effect, since breaking a pallet would reset bloodlust. But OP isn't the word I'd use. I'd say boring. You can get way more done through windows and mind games, only using pallets as a last resort. Running in circles around pallets just takes zero skill and isn't fun for anyone.And yet that's how the game is played and we'll take away the one thing that actually might counter it...boggles
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I play both sides, but I'm a killer main if anything. I'm being as objective as possible here. The fact is that pallets actively counter bloodlust accumulation. If they didn't, you'd be bloodlust 3 all the time when someone pallet loops you.ZombieGenesis said:Just goes to show you, survivors will find ways to justify anything.
If you don't want to have a discussion, that's fine, but passive aggressive comments with no basis ain't helping anything.
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Peanits said:
It absolutely does not counter it. Bloodlust resets when you break a pallet. The reality is, bloodlust currently punishes survivors who don't rely on pallets to gain distance while doing nothing to stop pallet looping. Less pallets used = less bloodlust resets. Bloodlust encourages looping, if anything.ZombieGenesis said:@Peanits said:
In regards to the bloodlust change, it wouldn't have an effect, since breaking a pallet would reset bloodlust. But OP isn't the word I'd use. I'd say boring. You can get way more done through windows and mind games, only using pallets as a last resort. Running in circles around pallets just takes zero skill and isn't fun for anyone.And yet that's how the game is played and we'll take away the one thing that actually might counter it...boggles
The only thing bloodlust 3 is good for is breaking a safe window loop.When killers use it to "counter" pallet loops, obviously the game will feel oppressive when they spent 2 minutes looping the same damn pallet because he has an apparent allergy to the spacebar.Repeat that for twenty pallets in the map (or the ten safety ones) and killers will get an instant lose every game. No one plays like this.3 -
@Goobz said:
You obviously didn’t leave the game if you’re commenting on the forums and keeping up to date with everything...Just because I left doesn't mean I don't keep track of the goings on
My issue is that I guess they want nurse to be the only killer it seems like because most things that hinder other killers don't hinder nurse. Every other killer can get looped into oblivion. Hence Nurse is the only real viable killer who can actually kill without worrying about survivor BS. Bloodlust never did me much good but they are nerfing it anyway for some reason...of course nurse doesn't need bloodlust so...0 -
@Nickenzie said:
WhateverIGuess said:Because it's fun getting downed by a trash killer just because they are 10x faster than you with bloodlust.
Stop with this bullshit, most of the good killers reach max BL 1 or rarely BL 2.
You should play wraith and see how often you reach BL 2 or BL 3 if the survivors use very strong loops. Just saying.
Wraith is getting some great changes- lets see how it goes with them ffirst.
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Lol as if anyone barely reaches BL3
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@Nickdela9812 said:
It won't affect me at all since i've only been playing Nurse since last September, and stopped using any other killer. I was just tired of being looped, i recognised it's a problem that will never go away (because it would mean remaking completely from dust the new chase mechanic) so i said: i didn't buy this game to be looped around ######### for ages, it doesn't mean it's unbalanced, it just means it's stupid, the game is stupid, so i just play Nurse, and i'm fine with that, we could say that if every killer was like me, this game would be dead ages ago. I understand you though, i understand this is not the definition of a good game and that some people might get tired of the same killer over and over again every time.On the bright side, at least we will finally get a good balance for DS, finally and hopefully.
I am seriously thinking of picking nurse up now. I am tired of just being a points pinata for the survs and nothing else. Sure i do well but that comes at a cost to my health and sanity. I am sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of running in circles ffs
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@Peanits said:
ZombieGenesis said:@Peanits said:
In regards to the bloodlust change, it wouldn't have an effect, since breaking a pallet would reset bloodlust. But OP isn't the word I'd use. I'd say boring. You can get way more done through windows and mind games, only using pallets as a last resort. Running in circles around pallets just takes zero skill and isn't fun for anyone.
And yet that's how the game is played and we'll take away the one thing that actually might counter it...boggles
It absolutely does not counter it. Bloodlust resets when you break a pallet. The reality is, bloodlust currently punishes survivors who don't rely on pallets to gain distance while doing nothing to stop pallet looping. Less pallets used = less bloodlust resets. Bloodlust encourages looping, if anything.
I am fine with them tweaking BL if its helps less looping. It drives me bonkers running in circles and i am actually glad, like most killers apart from nurse who does not care, when they finally do drop the pallet and you dont get stunned in the process. Even if we get stunned its one less pallet to deal with.
1300 hours and 5 times, at the most, i managed to get BL 3. I never use it. I barely get into BL 2 with the amount of pallets and LOS breaks this game has.
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@ZombieGenesis said:
Just goes to show you, survivors will find ways to justify anything.Just goes to show you whiny killer mains will insult anyone that dares to try logic and doesn't agree with them instantly. But go ahead and leave all you whiners you won't be missed since as I keep telling you people will adapt. In other regions they manage to do it just fine when there's an imbalance on one side.
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@Goobz said:
sorrowen said:@Goobz said:
You obviously didn’t leave the game if you’re commenting on the forums and keeping up to date with everything...
Just because I left doesn't mean I don't keep track of the goings on
My issue is that I guess they want nurse to be the only killer it seems like because most things that hinder other killers don't hinder nurse. Every other killer can get looped into oblivion. Hence Nurse is the only real viable killer who can actually kill without worrying about survivor BS. Bloodlust never did me much good but they are nerfing it anyway for some reason...of course nurse doesn't need bloodlust so...Nurse isn’t the only viable killer. All the killers are viable people just don’t want to take the time and learn how to play smart.
Yeah you keep thinking that.
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@powerbats said:
@ZombieGenesis said:
Just goes to show you, survivors will find ways to justify anything.Just goes to show you whiny killer mains will insult anyone that dares to try logic and doesn't agree with them instantly. But go ahead and leave all you whiners you won't be missed since as I keep telling you people will adapt. In other regions they manage to do it just fine when there's an imbalance on one side.
What i wish for this game as killer is that if i lost it was because i got outplayed . Stalling me is not outplaying me FYI. And no defending gens does not work in a real game too.
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@Goobz said:
sorrowen said:@Goobz said:
You obviously didn’t leave the game if you’re commenting on the forums and keeping up to date with everything...
Just because I left doesn't mean I don't keep track of the goings on
My issue is that I guess they want nurse to be the only killer it seems like because most things that hinder other killers don't hinder nurse. Every other killer can get looped into oblivion. Hence Nurse is the only real viable killer who can actually kill without worrying about survivor BS. Bloodlust never did me much good but they are nerfing it anyway for some reason...of course nurse doesn't need bloodlust so...Nurse isn’t the only viable killer. All the killers are viable people just don’t want to take the time and learn how to play smart.
Yeah you keep thinking that.
Edit : Whoops accidental repeated post.
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If you need bloodlust to catch a survivor then you need to get good and leave rank 202
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@AndyMXM said:
If you need bloodlust to catch a survivor then you need to get good and leave rank 20the actual reason you dont see bloodlust 3 on "good killers" is because bloodlust is not generated when the killer uses their powers.
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@Der_Schatten said:
... Weird to see...
Killer mains in the 2.0/2.1 Patch sad: Oh, stop crying about Surv. Nerfs...
Killer mains now cry about a litte Killer Nerf and a Surv. buff...BTW that kindred thing is a really big Nerf to Camping imo... 4 me as a BBQ Wraith, i dont care about that buff. 4 me about a Surv. I love it, cuz it will finally Conter All thos camping noob Killers
Kindred doesnt do anything against camping. The radius where the killer is shown is really small, just camp outside of it.
The reason why the change is sor idicuousl is that survivors can always 100% see each other and coordinate unhooking. Thats literally insane, no more time wasted for several guys trying to unhook etc
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@Master said:
Kindred doesnt do anything against camping. The radius where the killer is shown is really small, just camp outside of it.
The reason why the change is sor idicuousl is that survivors can always 100% see each other and coordinate unhooking. Thats literally insane, no more time wasted for several guys trying to unhook etc
Personally I think it should only show the hooked person type of thing but give it a good enough radius but make the radius hidden so neither side can game it.
Although I understand they're trying to buff solo but perhaps a fading in and out type of aura would be better. It'd work similar to say BBQ it shows the auras for x seconds but then fades out. Then after x seconds it reappears for x seconds so it'll work almost like Doctors screams aura notification.
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@pauloandrade22 said:
@powerbats said:
@ZombieGenesis said:
Just goes to show you, survivors will find ways to justify anything.Just goes to show you whiny killer mains will insult anyone that dares to try logic and doesn't agree with them instantly. But go ahead and leave all you whiners you won't be missed since as I keep telling you people will adapt. In other regions they manage to do it just fine when there's an imbalance on one side.
What i wish for this game as killer is that if i lost it was because i got outplayed . Stalling me is not outplaying me FYI. And no defending gens does not work in a real game too.
That was posted in response to someone that likes to generalize more than anyone else and insult anyone that dare uses logic and or facts. The poster also posts total bs all the time and tries to pass it off as fact. Then turns around and does the former repeatedly.
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@powerbats said:
@pauloandrade22 said:
@powerbats said:
@ZombieGenesis said:
Just goes to show you, survivors will find ways to justify anything.Just goes to show you whiny killer mains will insult anyone that dares to try logic and doesn't agree with them instantly. But go ahead and leave all you whiners you won't be missed since as I keep telling you people will adapt. In other regions they manage to do it just fine when there's an imbalance on one side.
What i wish for this game as killer is that if i lost it was because i got outplayed . Stalling me is not outplaying me FYI. And no defending gens does not work in a real game too.
That was posted in response to someone that likes to generalize more than anyone else and insult anyone that dare uses logic and or facts. The poster also posts total bs all the time and tries to pass it off as fact. Then turns around and does the former repeatedly.
Heh. i think what is wrong with most killers is that at one point a player's skill as a killer stops mattering (unless nurse or hag, or maybe huntress) and only the survivor's mistakes dictate whether or not they lose or not. As the power role this should not be the case and its very despair inducing honestly.
And to be fair when killers say "survivor main" they dont say "players that play only survivor". Its players that "Play only survivor to be Toxic Af and insult anyone that dares to use logic and facts".
The Polite survivor mains are usually respected enough especially if its clear that they get the issues killers face ( usually gens done in 6 or less mins or SWF bully squads).
And i've seen Toxic killers too. But forum wise I've seen more apparent killer players( that play both sides) show more logic than others . Thats just my experience. My advice is if they are rude being rude back is the worst thing you can do. By being polite you win.
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@ZombieGenesis said:
@powerbats said:
That was posted in response to someone that likes to generalize more than anyone else and insult anyone that dare uses logic and or facts. The poster also posts total bs all the time and tries to pass it off as fact. Then turns around and does the former repeatedly.You got it, dude. That's what I do! You know me so well! Or not, whatever.
I'm not the one justifying killer nerfs with "Well, things that are good for killers only encourage toxic survivor behavior so we might as well get rid of it..."
As for the devs, they're actual excuse for all these changes is "It doesn't feel good to survivors..." Oh no! Can't have things that don't "feel good" to survivors! They might throw a little baby fit and review bomb the game! Or...are we just going to forget about that?
LOL
Yeah thats a stupid reason all right. But arent most changes in games made because of its players? Yeah. The problem is that DBD devs have the 2 escape 2 die thing. In an asymetrical class game thats a BZZZZTTTTT. It needs to be 3 die 1 escape BUT the number role with teamwork can beat the power role.
Although i think both survivors and killers are right. Both sides complain a lot. But i get why the killers complain. I dont see any issues with survivor barring camping but i get why it is done ( and most of the killers hate it including me).
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@ZombieGenesis said:
@Envees said:
I am fine with them tweaking BL if its helps less looping. It drives me bonkers running in circles and i am actually glad, like most killers apart from nurse who does not care, when they finally do drop the pallet and you dont get stunned in the process. Even if we get stunned its one less pallet to deal with.1300 hours and 5 times, at the most, i managed to get BL 3. I never use it. I barely get into BL 2 with the amount of pallets and LOS breaks this game has.
I've said this before but the people who attack me keep leaving this out but it's not just about the BL change. It's about the mentality behind this upcoming patch and all the changes they talked about in the Q&A. We're back to the same routine we were in before. Killers Get Something/There's a survivor nerf = Survivors review bomb the game, Devs do a complete 180 and completely cave to survivor demands. It's not one thing it's everything but those who think they're being clever will ignore that and focus on one thing thinking they're creating an unassailable argument.
Things change and they evolve, and they should, but with this game it's never been equitable and just when it looked like things might start being so...review bomb and Devs fall back on their old garbage attitude.
If i was the devs i would probably try to adress why they are review bombing ( i think the devs know the real reason as well but monies make bellies full too).
I think the devs should buff killers and wait for the "I JUST WANT TO HUMILIATE KILLERS "crowd either leave or realise that they are wrong. Then balance survivor as well.
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