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A response to those against adding LGBTQIA+
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The irony is that you’re really missing the point(s) I’m making..pretty hard..yet I’m crystal clear on what you’re saying and where you’re coming from lol. I’m done with you now. Move on bud.
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I only asked because it's clear to me you're confused about what I was actually saying and some people have difficulty with speech that isn't 100% straightforward/literal. I wanted to know so I could explain my point in a way you'd understand. If you don't want to understand what I'm saying, that's fine by me. Have a nice day.
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Oh boy can't wait for people to flood the threads saying that everytime they play them that they get tunneled. "ThIs KiLlEr Is A hOmOpHoBe". Fun times await and I am excited. Better have your nuclear shelters ready.
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Oh boy I can't wait for people who won't shut up about this point even though that wouldn't happen to finally shut up because it won't happen
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Be honest,how often were you called a racist because you killed an Adam or a Claudette?
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I'm getting the impression that you think I don't want a LGBT person because of this. That isn't the case, I'm just saying that people are gonna be stupid and do this stuff. You say it won't happen, but it's gonna happen. May not happen immediately but it'll happen and when it does I'll be here to tell you that I told you so.
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Well, so far I've only seen people who are intentionally trying to stir ######### up saying they'd do this on purpose.
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The devs won’t ban someone if they only broke rules in a third party chat program though. Doesn’t matter if you can provide screenshots for that.
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I have a feeling this will be different.
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Why? The same claim was made about black characters, and it was proven wrong.
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I don't really think so.
The only people that might do that are the ones that are already full drama/trolls in endgame chats anyway.
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The times have changed. Our "society" has changed. People view things differently and people accuse people of baseless accusations all the time nowadays. Deny it all you want but someone's gonna do it. And if I'm wrong I'll take full responsibility for my stupidity.
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I'm not denying that someone will do it, I'm just saying that their intentions will be to stir ######### up. They're going to be dishonest, like the guy who was caught pretending to be a gay black man on Twitter.
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So is this your opinion or do you state this as fact? It seems that you could not possibly have anyway of coming to this conclusion from data, but it sounds like your own opinion and preferences.
What groups do you feel should be represented, and which do you feel should not be represented? For instance if less than 5% of the population self identifies as LGBTQIA, do you believe all other social classes of 5% or greater should also be represented?
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No social class should be explicitly excluded if there are no game mechanic reasons for that.
easy as that.
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I tried making this point months ago in a different thread about this tired topic. Didn’t get an honest response. I’m not optimistic about your chances either.
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honestly i'm not sure why people are so up in arms about this regardless of side
like, it's another character in a video game, their taste in partners matters why exactly?
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i've already stated that, as a gay person myself, i'd love to see representation in this game, but i want it to be handled tastefully and have it feel genuine rather than something just done for the sake of having good PR
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We have multiple statements by the dev team that they do really care about this topic and they want to be inclusive and want to do it right. That’s also their reason why they take their time for adding a char thats LGBT, they didn’t want to rush it and just be done with it
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It shouldn't matter,but there are/were quite a few people here that thought it wouldn't be a good idea to add a LGBT+ character to the game for whatever nonsensical reason.
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well, i hope that if they do add it, it's done well
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So there are thousands of personal preferences about self-identification and social classes. Would it not make more sense to allow individual players to decide in their own mind, or choose a player name which represents their beliefs if it is important to them? Like someone who is Jewish could call their character liteofstarofdavid (appropriate if they are a David King main) or someone could call themselves gayNea.
Remember no one wants to live in a society where their beliefs are dictated or forced upon others.
If you have ever read the book "After the Ball" you know originally the pro-gay folks wanted to shame and guilt others into changing societal norms; that is not a healthy way to conduct yourself in a pluralistic society.
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uhm. So heterosexuality in the game is okay but anything non-heterosexual should be left out because players can change their naming tag or have head canon?
i hope i am misunderstanding you right now.
it doesn’t matter what some extremist group did or does. Or should we judge every white straight man by what Nazi Germans did? The answer is no, btw.
also the devs said they want to be inclusive and they want to add chars that are LGBT+, why should they be forced not to do that.
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Also I Never Said every single person should get representation. I have literally just said no social class should be explicitly excluded. That’s a difference.
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Trying to find a place where he said gays shouldn’t be allowed. Couldn’t find it. His argument said let people put their own mark on it and even included Jews as an example. You instead tried to imply he’s a homophobe against adding an openly gay character.
You missed his point entirely
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Trying to find the Place where I called them a homophobe but all I can see is that I said I hope I have misunderstood them.
Also: „So there are thousands of personal preferences about self-identification and social classes. Would it not make more sense to [...]“
this is actually implying not to include those personal preferences and this whole topic is about LGBT+ (not only gay). also this whole statement while heterosexual relationships are already in the game.
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The people who say that representation isn't needed never seem to realise that they only think it's unimportant because they don't need it, they are completely unaware of their own privilege.
When people from a marginalised group tell you what would help them, instead of shouting them down and dismissing it because YOU don't understand why it's important, try listening.
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“uhm. So heterosexuality in the game is okay but anything non-heterosexual should be left out because players can change their naming tag or have head canon”
Question definitely has a motive questioning time to it but sure continue with it.
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I’m sure you are all for this unless a “marginalized” group says something you don’t like.
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rest assured that when the time comes for this to happen, it's happening for the right reasons and not for PR purposes. Inclusivity is something that means a great deal to the entire team.
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Only thing this will do will bring about controversy and bad press. This game does not bring up or state the sexuality of any of its characters. You can relate to any of them based off whatever headcanon you can come up with.
Why do you think a chat filter is coming to the game? Its to head off any slurs that will undoubtedly come from exposing your game to this particular topic.
The forums will be full of threads with "The killer tunneled/camp/bm me because I played X" threads. It may become bad enough where it becomes news worthy.
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This game does not bring up or state the sexuality of any of its characters
The game explicitely confirms:
- The Nurse had a husband
- Felix has a girlfriend, with a child on the way
- David had an ex-girlfriend
- Frank and Julie (Legion) are in a relationship
Notice how they're all straight?
Why is it only ever an issue when it comes to LGBTQ+ relationships?
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I'm gay, but the desire to input a gay character into literally every game, series, or thing in the world is annoying. Stop it, no, you don't need representation about gay people in a HORROR game. Go somewhere else if you want gay representation.
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Why not? Why somewhere else?
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This game does not bring up or state the sexuality of any of its characters
The lore from Nurse,Legion,David and Felix mention heterosexual relationships
The forums will be full of threads with "The killer tunneled/camp/bm me because I played X" threads
I doubt that,I haven't seen any because of Claudette or Adam either.Some MIGHT do that just to cause some drama but that's it
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Many instances where Gay men get married and have kids then come out.
The thing is none of that matters once they enter this realm.
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Same can be said about heterosexuality but here we are.
people are just asking for equal treatment
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Correct, there are. The point being that there's no examples of LGBTQ+ relationships in the lore, however there are plenty of heterosexual ones. Furthermore, you said that the game doesn't bring it up, when it clearly does.
Plus, it doesn't matter to you.
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You think the color blind issue was bad. Just wait until Twitter gets hold of some stupid thing like this. The very nature of the game is getting people pissed off. Doesn't even need to be someone from this community doing it.
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From what i've heard Twitter is an insanely toxic plattform anyway.People seem to be mad there all the time.
It's more important to take a stance against all these people and send a message that way instead of catering to them
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Because this is a game about murder, pain and brutality and has nothing to do with sexuality.
Just think about it, do you really think having the killer murder a gay or trans survivor is good representation? really?
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Whilst representation is not important to many people, doesn't mean it's not important to everyone. A lot of people aren't concerned about representation because they're automatically represented in so many things - for example me as a single, white, straight woman - there's quite a few characters in the game that I identify with, without even thinking about it. BUT for some people it's important that they feel represented and it's something that we've said we find important as well - I can't emphasis that point enough.
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It has nothing to do with sexuality, and yet we still have straight people representented plenty. So why not have LGBTQ+ representation too, especially after BHVR admitted they want to add this?
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Please read also what I have written directly after that.
also please read what they have written that I commented and quoted later.
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Please tell me which character in this game is confirmed to be heterosexual, because you're making assumptions.
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Let's not pretend anyone actually believes they might be bisexual, alright? Let's argue in good faith.
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I should've been clearer; we have heterosexual relationships represented plenty however no LGBTQ+ relationships in-game.
With that, Felix, Nurse, Frank and Julie, David.
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This isn't the game for it. There's PLENTY of representation in the general media (depending on where you live) about all the different sexualities, genders and everything that that is non-conforming. Why do we need those characteristics in a game about murder and brutality?
You can say you're represented, but how do you know? None of the characters sexualities or genders have been officially confirmed, so just like everyone else, you're making an assumption there (unless I missed something).
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This isn't the game for it.
That's for the devs to decide, is it not? And the devs decided you're wrong.
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Technically they have been mentioned, as discussed above.
It's never been said though that any of the characters have been in a same sex relationship for example.
And whilst you might not agree that "this is the game for it" I will say this is exactly the game for people to feel represented in - we have a large and diverse player base and they have every right to feel as represented by the characters that they choose to play as anyone else does.
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