Discussing "SPORTSMANLIKE" conduct.
Okay first off Camping, slugging, tunneling, etc are all forms of killings okay, toxic or not - Agreed. Then Devs ask you to display good sportsmanship. If killers are allowed to do that how is that good sportsmanship? Gamers will say use defensive strike or borrowed time, get better, etc. That is not the point killers are allowed to use un-sportmen like conduct. If this "WAS" a sport where is the sportsmanship's conduct in camping, tunneling, slugging. You get hit, get knocked down, hooked, camped, unhooked, tunneled, hit again, borrowed time, tunneled, hit again downed, defensive strike, tunneled, downed again, and re-hooked. Repeat dead. Where is the sportsman like conduct? Yeah the killer could loose the game that way. Was it thrown for just chasing one person? If a survivor chooses not to participate in that style/formate of a game they are unsportsmanlike. (?) Killers don't have to show good conduct just players? Where does the code of conduct lay? You play 5 random games, all similar in format, is that fun? To me no. We just have to wait for one decent killer out of X# of tries?
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Unsportsmanlike conduct on the DBD community.... 50 yard penalty... 1st down for BHVR
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are he listed things fun? no. Are they fair? Yes. Therefore they are not unsportsmanlike conduct.
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Camping, slugging, and tunneling are valid strategies.
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Using in game tactics aren't toxic or unsportsmanlike, saying people shouldn't play that way and play in a way that's fun for you is entitled.
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This is just like your previous griefing thread, except now you've replaced "griefing" with "unsportsmanlike conduct."
The rules for what constitutes unsportsmanlike conduct are right there in the game: it's that the player either intentionally lost or they stopped playing because they were losing (they went AFK or rage quit). It's pretty specific.
Just because you don't like something doesn't make it "griefing" or "unsportsmanlike conduct." The definitions of those things are given on the report screen.
Even if banning all the players doing that stuff didn't kill the game (which it really might, there already aren't enough killers during peak play hours), I don't think BHVR sells enough cosmetics to afford to hire the number of people it would require to sift through every single report if slugging, tunneling, and camping became bannable offenses.
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Please go play killer and spread your hooks evenly among the survivors, never let anyone on the ground slugged or hook a survivor twice in a row and always instantly pick them up and get to rank 1. Then come back here and tell us about your journey and how fun, sportsmanlike and amazing all the survivors acted while you are losing your games. The fact of the matter is that camping, slugging and tunneling cannot be seen in a vacuum where the survivors in the match have no influence on these things or have nothing they can do about it.
It is funny that you only mention actions done by killers which put pressure on the survivors. No mentioning of tapping a gen to stop the regression after you kick it, even mid chase, flash light saving, body block, 99 gates before going to rescue that last survivor and other actions that they do that make the game unfun or more difficult for the killer. It isn't that they should not be doing these things btw. as they are actions that one takes to try and win the match.
Are killers not supposed to try and win a match? They have to be concerned about the survivors feelings and enjoyment... while if you play killer you will find out that the reverse is rarely true. I bet you will see more killers giving hatch at the end of a match that they won, than a survivor sacrificing themselves when they have.
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In regard to the killer this is sportsmanship, you can't beat a well coordinated team with out slugging or applying pressure to survivors. Survivors have all the tools they need to escape plus all the time needed to be frank,by mid game a killer is left with two perks his power and add-ons.Surviviors have 4 teammates running the same perks which the killer has to catch and hook 4 people 12 times.
Consider crossplay with more Optima processing,ginormous lagg spikes and large terrain to cover ,I would say all of it is more than fair anyway most killer's play fair for the most part or what survivors consider fair,but with the time you have, I would say all the above is more than ,fair you would be lucky if the killer camps and tunnel you
Some teams show good sportsmanship by giving the killer time to get a few hooks before the game is over because they know it's in there favor.
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Good sportsmanship includes all behavior within the rules. That means, by default, those behaviors all fall within good sportsmanship. The only things someone in Dead by Daylight needs to abide by, to be a good sport, are:
- Don't cheat, either by hack or lag spike.
- Don't disconnect; if you start a game, finish it.
- Be humble in victory and gracious in defeat.
That's it. That is all you have to do. The things you are talking about are irrelevant to the equation because they are just part of the game. Please do not conflate your personal preferences, morals, or morays with rules.
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Can we stop telling each other how to play and just play? It's a video game. 🤷🏻♀️
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Well said.
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https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/kb/articles/139-game-rules I'm linking this again. Camping/slugging/tunneling are not toxic, they're not unsportsmanlike behaviours - they're actually part of the game.
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this is not even close to unsportsmanlike conduct
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God I love this more than I should
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I personally feel that camping is unsportsmanlike conduct. I don't understand why killer mains do it, EXCEPT and only except for camping the very last survivor if the exit gates are open and they haven't had any kills all game and just want to get their 1k.
I just don't get it - why camp someone when you could be chasing other survivors, allowing them to heal and chasing them again, getting more hooks - all of which will get you more points. What's the fun in just killing the survivors as quickly as possible? By doing that, you're missing out on a huge part of the game and you are making a boring game for everyone - I will NEVER understand why.
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The only thing I find unsportsman like is slugging and then letting everyone bleed out, or Survivors who try to hold the match hostage. Also Survivors who intentionally try to get their team killed.
Everything else is a strategy and bad strategies have consequences.
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If you die after that many second chances that's just sad...
Anyways, they are a part of the game, so not unsportsmanlike conduct. Same for survivors with flashlight saves, doing gens quickly, and bodyblocking. Nothing that isn't against the rules is unsportsmanlike conduct.
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Just a question here then. Why is T Bagging and Flashlight clicking unsportsmanlike and toxic then. They're apart of the game too, but the community considers them toxic, when that could be a strategy to get into the killers head and make them mad, so they play bad.
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Things I try to avoid as killer
Double hooking the same survivor (doesn't mean I won't slug if you try to exploit this kindness)
Camping when there's no reason or logic to even if already losing
Tryharding in games with an early DC/Suicide. That's not really fun for anyone. I usually just double hook everyone and go afk.
It's usually used to rightfully try to bait and distract a killer. A lot of survivors also use it as a sort of victory taunt (which has been a thing in games for decades). Some killers with fragile egos can't handle it.
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"Why is T Bagging and Flashlight clicking unsportsmanlike and toxic then"
Because the majority of those actions are done with the pure intent to taunt or piss off other people.
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I only consider it toxic when it doesn't benefit them, like at the exit gates, otherwise you're right. Trying to tilt the killer is absolutely a valid strategy. The same way I don't consider slugging toxic, but slugging and letting all the survivors bleed out to let them suffer is.
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Because that tactic involves trying to anger the opposition.
Tunneling, slugging and camping all dont necessarily involve angering your opponent while they do progress towards the killers objective.
Tbagging and Flashligh clicking is almost always used solely to annoy the killer, which, even if its tactical, is unsportsmanlike conduct.
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I had a match last night as part of a 2-person SWF against a Wraith. I spent a good chunk of the match running said Wraith, pallet stunning them several times, running loops relatively effectively, and avoiding going down until they abandoned chase with me. In between, I worked gens, healed teammates, etc. On the final chase, he did down me just as the last gen popped. I told my friend (who had been hooked twice and would have been on death hook) to open the gate (both were a decent way from where I was hooked) and go, because I assumed I was going to be camped -- which the Wraith did.
Was I annoyed that I was going to die on first hook? Sure -- but as I told my friend, I wore it as a badge of honor. I also figured that the Wraith, who got a total of 3-4 hooks max the entire game (and no kills at that point) wanted to secure at least one, and at that point, I didn't blame them for camping my hook to get it. After I died, I spectated a Claudette -- who had hovered near me but never made any attempt to rescue me, even when The Wraith strayed away or cloaked up again -- get downed teabagging near the exit gate, and The Wraith carried them to the exit, furthering my thought that I'd played well enough to cost the Wraith the match and was the one he wanted dead above anything else. Considering how potato a survivor I can be, that just made me feel even better that I'd "earned" the camping,
As an aside, the Claudette, after getting downed, kept crawling back into the map to try to get the Wraith to pick them up. It turns out they had Deliverance activated and also DS available, so they were trying to bait The Wraith into allowing them to use both (which also means they could have easily rescued me when they were near, but instead they were more focused on hitting the "cool" Deliverance-into-DS combo before they escaped above team play. If anything, their selfish play was more "unsportsmanlike" than the killer's was by camping me.
As others have said, the devs have stated what constitutes legitimate strategies and what doesn't. Just because someone doesn't like those strategies or think they aren't particularly fair, they're simply part of the game. The real "sportsmanship", IMO, comes AFTER the match. I didn't go on a tirade because I died after being camped -- I moved on to the next game. The people that pollute the post-game chats with raging/salt/insults and profanity and threats/slurs (which being on console, I'm thrilled to not be a part of it) -- THOSE are the people who are unsportsmanlike and should be the target of people's wrath -- not someone who clicked a flashlight or camped your hook.
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And your personal feelings do not matter. Killers literally cannot win the way you want them to play unless they play absolutely perfectly, and maybe not even then. Stop trying to cripple your opponents and just get better.
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Lol, these are tactics in the game. Unsportsmanlike conduct is body blocking a survivor in a corner, rage quitting, going AFK or exploiting bugs (not all textbook, more like general consensus).
Its like saying "in football, they say to have sportsmanship like conduct but they say the defence is allowed to tackle". Its a part of the game, bruh.
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I love how everyone arguing skipped over your perfect annotated response. They only want to argue, not be proven wrong lol
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They aren't unsportsmanlike conduct. Again, they're an intended part of the game.
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The community calls them toxic though. Hmmm
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Because the community in general is dumb as #########.
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Agreed
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And the issue is killers think that 'winning' the game (assume that means a 4k) is more important than fun. I'd rather 'lose' a fun game than win a boring one, but that's just me. Don't get how not playing every aspect of the game to the full is considered 'winning'.
It's not even about getting better - I want to be caught and hooked in this game, and I want to unhook and heal teammates, because I want the full experience of the game. I could outrun every killer and just do a gen simulator and I would be bored as hell. If you don't understand me, then I guess we just have fundamentally different definitions of fun in a game and maybe this game just isn't for me. But it sure isn't for a great many other people either then, and then what happens...?
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