Beating the dead horse: toxicity

My experience is more or less the same with yours.

I guess it is related to the way you play as well. If survivors think that you played the game without camping and tunneling, they don't say anything even if they had a nightmarish game (Not true all the time, I have been insulted because I use a 'crutch' killer like the clown).

Also, people's definition of toxicity is vastly different from others. I have had that discussion just 2 days ago. Some people think that tbagging or the insults after the game doesn't change the gameplay so they are not toxic, only camping and tunneling which make survivors' game unfun is, some people think that toxicity only occurs after the game in post game chat, some people think that tbags and flashlight clicks are toxic. Hell I have even seen people calling p3 claudettes and the survivors who wear colorful clothes toxic.

So for the people who want to see toxicity in this game, there is no shortage of being a toxic player. You won't be able to convince people that the community is not as toxic as people make it out to be but I agree with you.

That's great and all but my profile includes over 500 (mainly survivor) comments that tell otherwise and I'm not even a Killer main. I guess you can imagine that there were a lot more endgame chat insults.

The difference between your notes and my notes is that mine are all personalized feedbacks from individual players, effectively signed on my profile while yours are just numbers in the void.

@George_Soros said:
It's true my approach is hardly up to scientific standards. (Not that the topic is really worth a more rigorous approach and all the effort that comes with it.) But it baffles me why I NEVER got comments like that on my profile.

How long have you played this game? I only bought it 2018. June, though I have about 1300 hours now.

Kinda jealous.

I've been playing since 2016 but I "only" have about 1600 hours. I can safely say that the more efficient you play as Killer, the more insults you'll receive. This shouldn't be a passive-aggressive provocation regarding your playstyle but it's true that you'd rather get negative feedback for stomping the Survivors as a Billy in 3 minutes compared to a 10 minutes Freddy match.

Freddy (technically) provides a relatively easy match for Survivors so blaming and insulting the Killer afterwards is a bit hypocritical since you're basically already making it as easy as possible for the Survivors to win and yet they still fail. That's nothing but embarassing for them.

Yes, I'm proud of that salt but it also makes me sad that I am part of such a toxic community. I've played 3000 hours of Dota 2 and not once received an insulting profile comment. I play DbD for 5 matches and I usually already got another insult on it.

@Peanits said:
In my experience, you get what you give. If you play for fun and try not to make the game miserable for the other side, you get a lot of positivity. If you play like a dick, people get mad and treat you like one.

Does this justify insults, though? I know that teabagging, flashlight triggering and certain tactics (excessive looping, camping, tunneling, slugging, gen rushing) are not exactly fun to deal with but that shouldn't be an excuse for insulting someone after the match. You can be a dick ingame (or let's say a tryhard) and you can be a dick after the match (an actual toxic #########).

I wouldn't consider tryharding as toxic since that's basically just "making use of the mechanics the game provides". It's not my responsibility to make the game fun for everyone else so that shouldn't make me a dick by default.

I've noticed the day and time you play (as well as perhaps the region?) makes a big difference. In my experience weekday evenings are generally polite and fun, but the later you get on a Friday or Saturday night the greater the trolling, toxic, 4-person SWF team frequency trends further and further towards 100%.

@George_Soros said:
And @Peanits : just no. Cheating, actually holding the game hostage: yes, I'll report those. But there's no way I'm gonna report anyone for foul speech, insults or anything of that kind. That's censorship.

Freedom of speech is not freedom of consequence, and only applies to what a government can do.

@Kenshin said:

@Peanits said:
In my experience, you get what you give. If you play for fun and try not to make the game miserable for the other side, you get a lot of positivity. If you play like a dick, people get mad and treat you like one.

That, and the bad sticks out more than the good. You can meet a dozen nice people, but then one bad guy comes along and suddenly you look at your entire session as a negative experience.

In any case, please report toxic people. We've got chat logs and we do review them and ban for that sort of thing.

are you really saying (AS MOD) its ok and u have to expect to get insulted because killers play like a "dick"? for real dude? i payed for money for this game, i play by the rules etc. but if i dont follow the made up survivor rules its ok for them to insult me and throw some toxic behavior at me. thanks dude, really.

Did you stop reading after the first paragraph?
"In any case, please report toxic people. We've got chat logs and we do review them and ban for that sort of thing."

@The_Crusader said:
Boss said:

@The_Crusader said:

Also I don't do hatch standoffs

Good for you being the bigger person.

Ha, it's purely because I'm too lazy to do them.

The fun of the game is in the chases and the early game pressure.

When its spending 10 mins looking for 2 immersed claudettes sneaking around the map waiting on the hatch its so slow lol I'd rather just let ond get the hatch and move on to a new game than sit there for 10 mins for a few pitiful points. Could earn more points by moving to a new game.

Well yeah, that's my reason to: Just don't wanna deal with ######### mechanics.
But the result is the same: Not wasting eachother's time while earning nothing.

OP, would be interesting to know how many of those games ended up in a 4k / 3k /2k / 0k?

I'm sure there is a direct relation to the results of your matches. People rarely judge the matches based on the actual experience during the game, all that matters is the result.

That doesn't surprise me at all then:

20 x 0 kills
9 x 1 kill
12 x 2 kills
13 x 3 kills
8 x 4 kills

With a few farm matches and free hatch escapes.

If you don't tryhard, what makes you think you'd receive toxic reactions? Now try to play a bit more "objective-oriented" - as you're supposed to do after all - and let's see how they react

I did the "Ironman challenge" as Billy; from Rank 20 to Rank 1 without ever using a single perk, add-on or offering and in the 51 matches I played, only a handful of Survivors managed to escape. You can imagine how much salt and insulting comments I got from that, but I never camped or tunneled, I simply played as efficient as possible...

@George_Soros said:
@PiiFree both my records and my experience suggests, when things turn salty, it's more about the personality of the player than the end result or playstyle. Many of the 3-4K games do not have salt after them.

I'm guessing the high salt content of your games is in no small part due to you playing on console. From what I hear, console players are much more immature than PC people.

What makes you think I'm playing on console? I'm on PC.

Of course this is all about personality of the player but to trigger certain reactions, all it takes is a merciless victory or a "too efficient" playstyle

I mean, we could go on like that forever, there's no way to prove what effectively triggers toxicity but from my experience, if many Survivors escape = more likely to get a gg and if they all die, you'll most likely get flamed. Just my experience. I also think we have to differenciate between "toxic" playstyles and toxic behaviour via insults. One doesn't justify the other, so even if I theoretically facecamp every survivor I come across, it would be mean but that wouldn't justify them insulting me. (I'm not doing that, just saying)

Peanits said:

In my experience, you get what you give. If you play for fun and try not to make the game miserable for the other side, you get a lot of positivity. If you play like a dick, people get mad and treat you like one.

That, and the bad sticks out more than the good. You can meet a dozen nice people, but then one bad guy comes along and suddenly you look at your entire session as a negative experience.

In any case, please report toxic people. We've got chat logs and we do review them and ban for that sort of thing.

The_Crusader said:

This is what we call "anecdotal evidence".