Taking the game hostage
The situation is this. I killed 2 survivors and there were 5 gens left. The rest 2 survivors did not do anything. They kept hiding. Finally, I found them hiding in the basement. I managed to kill one. Now the problem is the last survivor still refused to do any gen. She kept hiding. I did not run Whisper and the map is Gideon Meat Plant. The match ran for 30 min. so I decided to leave the game. I know those survivors intended to do this to force me to leave. My question is whether this is bannable as taking the game hostage. I have encountered many situation like this where survivors keep hiding and do not do anything to force killers to leave so they get point while the killers get none. Without Whisper, it's almost impossible to find them in a situation like this.
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Yes it is.
But we don´t have a way to report this right now.3 -
I wonder if we can still report players these days. Devs have taken out the report form, so what do we have now? These trolls have been an issue for a long time.
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I refuse to DC when that happens. I go, make me some coffee, maybe a snack. Read a book, maybe check out the news. I am hosting the session, game does not end til I say it does. So I will keep it up until the survivor gets bored and either works a gen, DCs themself or decides to get up close and personal.
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This is frustrating I'm sure but in no way shape or form is it taking the game hostage.
There are several tools in the game to prevent this and your job as Killer is to find the Survivors.
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@Tizzle said:
This is frustrating I'm sure but in no way shape or form is it taking the game hostage.There are several tools in the game to prevent this and your job as Killer is to find the Survivors.
Would you mind suggesting some tools you said when you don't run Whisper because you don't anticipate this in the first place?
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@RemoveSWF said:
That's not holding the game hostage because you can do something to end the game. It's holding the game hostage when a killer blocks the stairs and the survivors can't escape and can't die.You just need to git gud.
What can we do to end the game then? Keep finding them for 1 hour? Sound fun.
Next time, please state what "something" you said is to make your argument valid before saying "git gud".
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@RemoveSWF said:
@Catastrophe said:
@RemoveSWF said:
That's not holding the game hostage because you can do something to end the game. It's holding the game hostage when a killer blocks the stairs and the survivors can't escape and can't die.You just need to git gud.
What can we do to end the game then? Keep finding them for 1 hour? Sound fun.
Yes, find them.
This is your problem, not theirs.
Ok. I had been finding them for 30 min so I should keep finding them for another 30 min? I wonder if you can do this yourself when you don't run Whisper in a map like Gideon Meat Plant.
Nice argument.
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Classic Survivor double standards.
Doctor losing the "intent to complete his objective?" BAN HIM!
Survivor lose their "intent to complete their objective?" JuSt FiNd AnD kIlL tHeM!
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@Tzeentchling9 said:
Classic Survivor double standards.Doctor losing the "intent to complete his objective?" BAN HIM!
Survivor lose their "intent to complete their objective?" JuSt FiNd AnD kIlL tHeM!
You mean dbl standard for killers as well since survivors are told to hide and try and do gens. Which if none are done they can only run and hide and perhaps hope the killer afks long enough for them to be able to do something.
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Yep, the one where they can still work on gens if they are smart about it.powerbats said:@Tzeentchling9 said:
Classic Survivor double standards.Doctor losing the "intent to complete his objective?" BAN HIM!
Survivor lose their "intent to complete their objective?" JuSt FiNd AnD kIlL tHeM!
You mean dbl standard for killers as well since survivors are told to hide and try and do gens. Which if none are done they can only run and hide and perhaps hope the killer afks long enough for them to be able to do something.
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This. I've been the last survivor in the match with 4 gens left and escaped through the hatch more than once, even with Ruin still up.Tzeentchling9 said:
Yep, the one where they can still work on gens if they are smart about it.powerbats said:@Tzeentchling9 said:
Classic Survivor double standards.Doctor losing the "intent to complete his objective?" BAN HIM!
Survivor lose their "intent to complete their objective?" JuSt FiNd AnD kIlL tHeM!
You mean dbl standard for killers as well since survivors are told to hide and try and do gens. Which if none are done they can only run and hide and perhaps hope the killer afks long enough for them to be able to do something.
If I can solo a Ruin gen while the killer looks for me, two survivors should be able to get at least 2 gens done. If you think that's impossible, go find the killer and loop him til you get caught. At least that way you'll get some points, and you'll get to move on to the next match.
I'm not in favour of banning people over this, though. Banning should be reserved for clear cases of exploiting and hacking, IMO.
I think the best solution is to give the killer a "Concede" option that becomes usable after a set amount of time in the match. Say, 20 minutes. After a match has lasted 20 minutes, the killer can choose to concede, which will tally points and emblems as though the remaining survivors had escaped through the hatch.
That way, a killer can stop a hostage situation and the remaining survivor(s) get a 2k BP bonus for making the killer concede.4 -
Tizzle said:
This is frustrating I'm sure but in no way shape or form is it taking the game hostage.
There are several tools in the game to prevent this and your job as Killer is to find the Survivors.
wrong. how is this anything but holding a game hostage? are you saying every killer needs to have their loadout conform to these antics? nonsense. i experience this type of trolling crap all the time.2 -
RemoveSWF said:
That's not holding the game hostage because you can do something to end the game. It's holding the game hostage when a killer blocks the stairs and the survivors can't escape and can't die.
You just need to git gud.
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Sadly it's not consider holding the game hostage unless a survivor is in a spot where the killer can actively not hit them like on a car it's not considered taking the game hostage.EpicFailTryHard said:RemoveSWF said:That's not holding the game hostage because you can do something to end the game. It's holding the game hostage when a killer blocks the stairs and the survivors can't escape and can't die.
You just need to git gud.
plain old bullshit.
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Aari_Piggy66 said:
Sadly it's not consider holding the game hostage unless a survivor is in a spot where the killer can actively not hit them like on a car it's not considered taking the game hostage.EpicFailTryHard said:RemoveSWF said:That's not holding the game hostage because you can do something to end the game. It's holding the game hostage when a killer blocks the stairs and the survivors can't escape and can't die.
You just need to git gud.
plain old bullshit.
the situation i am referring to is "the gates are open, yet no one is leaving". perhaps a little different than the initial post.1 -
That is equally annoying or even worst. You can leave but decide not to do so just to troll the killer. It's bs deserving punishment. Some svs actually do this to killers and we cannot do anything about them beside alt+tab and do somethi. Seriously, killers should be able to end the match in some ways if this situation occur without having to waste points or time.EpicFailTryHard said:Aari_Piggy66 said:
Sadly it's not consider holding the game hostage unless a survivor is in a spot where the killer can actively not hit them like on a car it's not considered taking the game hostage.EpicFailTryHard said:RemoveSWF said:That's not holding the game hostage because you can do something to end the game. It's holding the game hostage when a killer blocks the stairs and the survivors can't escape and can't die.
You just need to git gud.
plain old bullshit.
the situation i am referring to is "the gates are open, yet no one is leaving". perhaps a little different than the initial post.2 -
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its your own fault if you was a dick and now hes trying to win with a still valid strategy. however he cant take game hostage, because he dont have any other option too win. if he gonna do gens, you kill him. he also cant jump through hatch. what is left? youre right, hiding until the dick left the game. however you could end such games in seconds if you want too but you decided too search 30 min. for him.
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You need to find them quick or you will get banned for holding the game's hostage
It's on YOU holding the game hostage not them
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I think if the survivor isn't working on an objective after fifteen minutes of not doing anything they should gain a perma crow, that continually alerts the killer to there presence.
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@Vortexas said:
I think if the survivor isn't working on an objective after fifteen minutes of not doing anything they should gain a perma crow, that continually alerts the killer to there presence.so rewarding the dick mode even more?
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Oh isn't it sweet when killers complain about survivors playing stealthy?
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Another trolling argument without giving a valid point. What is the way to end the game without losing the point?ILuvCampingRec said:its your own fault if you was a dick and now hes trying to win with a still valid strategy. however he cant take game hostage, because he dont have any other option too win. if he gonna do gens, you kill him. he also cant jump through hatch. what is left? youre right, hiding until the dick left the game. however you could end such games in seconds if you want too but you decided too search 30 min. for him.
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Oh isn't it sweet when killers complain about survivors playing stealthy?> @Orion said:
@McCree said:
Oh isn't it sweet when killers complain about survivors playing stealthy?You must be in the wrong thread. OP is complaining about a Survivor doing nothing to force him to disconnect.
I am not talking about the OP in my comment.
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@Catastrophe said:
ILuvCampingRec said:its your own fault if you was a dick and now hes trying to win with a still valid strategy. however he cant take game hostage, because he dont have any other option too win. if he gonna do gens, you kill him. he also cant jump through hatch. what is left? youre right, hiding until the dick left the game. however you could end such games in seconds if you want too but you decided too search 30 min. for him.
Another trolling argument without giving a valid point. What is the way to end the game without losing the point?
stay in the corner afk and you will see he will do gens within few minutes and gonna left through hatch. their are no trolling arguments you just understood nothing.
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That is equally annoying or even worst. You can leave but decide not to do so just to troll the killer. It's bs deserving punishment. Some svs actually do this to killers and we cannot do anything about them beside alt+tab and do something else. Seriously, killers should be able to end the match in some ways if this situation occurs without having to waste points or time.EpicFailTryHard said:Aari_Piggy66 said:
Sadly it's not consider holding the game hostage unless a survivor is in a spot where the killer can actively not hit them like on a car it's not considered taking the game hostage.EpicFailTryHard said:RemoveSWF said:That's not holding the game hostage because you can do something to end the game. It's holding the game hostage when a killer blocks the stairs and the survivors can't escape and can't die.
You just need to git gud.
plain old bullshit.
the situation i am referring to is "the gates are open, yet no one is leaving". perhaps a little different than the initial post.1 -
So it's not different from others' opinion here. Afk and do something else. And you don't seem to consider the possibility that svs really want to troll you and refuse to leave the game at all. I had a game where they could leave but decided to keep hiding as well. So I made this thread to ask if it is bannable or at least try to find a solution to this. This actually happens and if you have never experienced one, I hope you get one so you understand.ILuvCampingRec said:@Catastrophe said:
ILuvCampingRec said:its your own fault if you was a dick and now hes trying to win with a still valid strategy. however he cant take game hostage, because he dont have any other option too win. if he gonna do gens, you kill him. he also cant jump through hatch. what is left? youre right, hiding until the dick left the game. however you could end such games in seconds if you want too but you decided too search 30 min. for him.
Another trolling argument without giving a valid point. What is the way to end the game without losing the point?
stay in the corner afk and you will see he will do gens within few minutes and gonna left through hatch. their are no trolling arguments you just understood nothing.
My advice - make your argument clear next time. Don't make it ambiguous. Also don't be a dick and use bad word. People will understand you better.0 -
if the survivor have the option to leave (hatch) and doesnt have a high risk to get caught but still hide. yes, then hes holding the game hostage. but youre a dick and camped/proxy camped, tunneled, lag switching, derank or some other stuff. theirs no other way to have 5 gens left with 2 survivor. and if they could do gens without getting killed instant, iam sure they would do. but a hag spamming his traps on grounds to camp gen/hooks is impossible to fight against. i hope you learned your lesson and play the game as its intended to be played. otherwise just go afk and leave them victory.
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@Tizzle said:
This is frustrating I'm sure but in no way shape or form is it taking the game hostage.There are several tools in the game to prevent this and your job as Killer is to find the Survivors.
If they are engaging in gameplay that doesn't go towards ending the game (not doing gens to escape/only hidding) that's taking a game hostage. Its just like if you have a Doctor who is sitting next to all 3 gens doing nothing but shocking people and never going for a hit, that too would be taking the game hostage.
If that survivor who was hiding at least attempted to get a little progress done on a gen then hide while sneaking to another, they are at least attempting to play the game meaning its not taking anything hostage. When the intent is to simply prolong the match with no benefit to yourself then you are forcing everyone to stay or forfeit the match, meaning taking the game hostage.
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Sorry, I used Hillbilly and they made mistakes so I can kill 2 while there were 5 gens left.morimebabsi said:if the survivor have the option to leave (hatch) and doesnt have a high risk to get caught but still hide. yes, then hes holding the game hostage. but youre a dick and camped/proxy camped, tunneled, lag switching, derank or some other stuff. theirs no other way to have 5 gens left with 2 survivor. and if they could do gens without getting killed instant, iam sure they would do. but a hag spamming his traps on grounds to camp gen/hooks is impossible to fight against. i hope you learned your lesson and play the game as its intended to be played. otherwise just go afk and leave them victory.
There are other games where all 4 four are killed while there are 5 gens left .Go see some famous killer main streamers before making an accusation so you don't look stupid yourself.0 -
I wish we have more civilized people like you who contribute to the topic without talking trash.MegaWaffle said:@Tizzle said:
This is frustrating I'm sure but in no way shape or form is it taking the game hostage.There are several tools in the game to prevent this and your job as Killer is to find the Survivors.
If they are engaging in gameplay that doesn't go towards ending the game (not doing gens to escape/only hidding) that's taking a game hostage. Its just like if you have a Doctor who is sitting next to all 3 gens doing nothing but shocking people and never going for a hit, that too would be taking the game hostage.
If that survivor who was hiding at least attempted to get a little progress done on a gen then hide while sneaking to another, they are at least attempting to play the game meaning its not taking anything hostage. When the intent is to simply prolong the match with no benefit to yourself then you are forcing everyone to stay or forfeit the match, meaning taking the game hostage.
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@Catastrophe said:
ILuvCampingRec said:@Catastrophe said:
ILuvCampingRec said:
its your own fault if you was a dick and now hes trying to win with a still valid strategy. however he cant take game hostage, because he dont have any other option too win. if he gonna do gens, you kill him. he also cant jump through hatch. what is left? youre right, hiding until the dick left the game. however you could end such games in seconds if you want too but you decided too search 30 min. for him.
Another trolling argument without giving a valid point. What is the way to end the game without losing the point?
stay in the corner afk and you will see he will do gens within few minutes and gonna left through hatch. their are no trolling arguments you just understood nothing.
So it's not different from others' opinion here. Afk and do something else. And you don't seem to consider the possibility that svs really want to troll you and refuse to leave the game at all. I had a game where they could leave but decided to keep hiding as well. So I made this thread to ask if it is bannable or at least try to find a solution to this. This actually happens and if you have never experienced one, I hope you get one so you understand.
My advice - make your argument clear next time. Don't make it ambiguous. Also don't be a dick and use bad word. People will understand you better.
if they have the option to leave through hatch but dont do so, then its completly different from your case you told us. in that case its bannable but anyway, you wont see a ban so far because devs are lazy.
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