Some Nice and Honest Words To the Community

Zet395

I've played a lot of DbD, I really have, but the outrage from the community that is coming from this latest update is a little upsetting to me. I have tons of fun with DbD, whether it is with friends or not. Unlike most people, I don't main any side of the game really. Majority of my time goes into playing killer -- mostly since I am alone most of the time -- but I enjoy playing survivor when I have my buddies with me.

Playing both sides, I am able to see issues all over the place. I don't normally take sides, but I am in favor of the killer side for multiple different reasons that "Survivor Mains" don't tend to see. Don't get me wrong, both sides complain a LOT -- I am no exception; I also complain a lot -- but the thing that not a lot of people see, is that the game is supposed to favor the killer side. Now, this in no way means that killers are supposed to be unbeatable, this just means that it is supposed to be power versus numbers and with the state this game is in right now, the numbers have more power for various different reasons. Though I could discuss all of these reasons, I will not this time, as I don't want to make this post TOO long.

Let me try to reach out to both sides here. First, Survivors -- I get it, the nerf to exhaustion perks suck, but this needed to happen, whether if you wanted to believe it or not. I could go on-and-on about "Crutch" and "Meta Perks," but I feel like I'd only be repeating what people have been saying on this game for years. I wanted to dismiss a few things that I am seeing a lot -- from Survivor Mains mostly -- and the first thing is the claim that the game isn't fun anymore with this patch. I have to strong disagree with this claim. I suck at playing survivor -- I am around rank 10 right now -- and I get stomped on all the time, but I still have a BLAST with friends! There is always fun to be had and laughs to share with friends and no game update can take that away from a game.

The second claim I see a lot is people complaining about how they "shouldn't need to adapt to have fun." I am going to go over this in the nicest way that I can. First, this argument isn't valid in the slightest way. Adapting is a part of life and needs to be learned. Besides, what do you think you did when you first got into the game? Were you good right off the bat? No. With the new updates that constantly come into the game, did you instantly learn any new perks or mechanics added into the game? No. My only advice to you is to adapt. I know it sucks -- trust me, I do -- but you just got to. DbD can be a really fun game if you just settle yourself down, chill and play. In my experience, getting frustrated causes you to get burnt out on the game a lot faster than when you are having fun. If you are stressed out or frustrated, just take a break! Come back when you are feeling it again. Sooner or later, you will adapt, you just got to put in the time to learn and adapt.

Now I will go over the Killer side. I understand there has been much frustration for years about "Toxic Survivors" and Killers not having nearly enough power to influence the match. Here's the thing; you aren't wrong in the slightest, but there are ways to lightly voice an opinion, even when you are frustrated. I understand that the game has been out for a while and the devs have not improved killers nearly as much as they should have and I dare not suggest being patient. Though this is all we can do as Killers, it has been a looong time and killers have still not gotten the treatment they truly deserve. I also have to say that I don't think all of this entitlement -- this goes for BOTH sides -- needs to happen. There is a lot of rage debate over which side is better and whom are the saints, but none of us are better than one-another. We don't constantly need to argue, be toxic, or fuel the fire of all of this rage debate.

The final claim that I will go over is that this community is extremely toxic and is unplayable. Listen, here's the deal... Every community nowadays is toxic, but people still play games religiously. Some of the most popular game franchises are extremely toxic, but people still play them. Why? Because the games are fun! DbD is not any different from those games. Even though the community of this game can be extremely toxic, it is nowhere near unplayable. DbD can still be extremely fun and nothing -- not even a toxic community -- has stopped that from the very start of the game. This game gets more and more fun for me with each update that comes out and this update has not changed a thing.

At the end of the day folks, we are a COMMUNITY! We're all here for the same reason -- especially those whom put a LOT of time into this game -- and that is we fell in love with this game since the beginning and we ALL have fun and ALL of us want to see it improve to become a better game. With all of that being said, Killers - keep doing what you are doing! Survivors - keep on running! Have fun everybody, because I know I will continue to!

ShrimpTwiggs

I really wish more people on both sides would see things this way. Both survivors and killers are necessary for the game to work. It doesn't always have to be 'us-vs-them.'

Zet395

@ShrimpTwiggs said:
I really wish more people on both sides would see things this way. Both survivors and killers are necessary for the game to work. Of course, there's definitely toxicity, but it doesn't always have to be 'us-vs-them.'

Exactly. Without both sides, we don't have a game. We need to remember that. That's what I see in the game.

KillingInstinct

I agree with you 100%. I am like you with the playing of sides. I'm a rank 1 killer and survivor but only play surv when I'm with my buddies. Everything u mentioned. Too bad this thread isn't gonna get like over 1000 people that actually are going to read the whole thing since it's a lot of text xD. Nice one tho

Zet395

@KillingInstinct said:
I agree with you 100%. I am like you with the playing of sides. I'm a rank 1 killer and survivor but only play surv when I'm with my buddies. Everything u mentioned. Too bad this thread isn't gonna get like over 1000 people that actually are going to read the whole thing since it's a lot of text xD. Nice one tho

My thanks. I only made this post so long so I could get everything out there with one post. I feel like things are more heartfelt and truthful when you put more work into your words and opinions.

KillingInstinct

@Zet395 said:

@KillingInstinct said:
I agree with you 100%. I am like you with the playing of sides. I'm a rank 1 killer and survivor but only play surv when I'm with my buddies. Everything u mentioned. Too bad this thread isn't gonna get like over 1000 people that actually are going to read the whole thing since it's a lot of text xD. Nice one tho

My thanks. I only made this post so long so I could get everything out there with one post. I feel like things are more heartfelt and truthful when you put more work into your words and opinions.

You've done well young one xD
What do you think about this post I made with some balancing for 3 perks? https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/10377/lets-get-these-3-perks-the-way-they-were-at-the-start#latest

Zet395

@KillingInstinct said:

@Zet395 said:

@KillingInstinct said:
I agree with you 100%. I am like you with the playing of sides. I'm a rank 1 killer and survivor but only play surv when I'm with my buddies. Everything u mentioned. Too bad this thread isn't gonna get like over 1000 people that actually are going to read the whole thing since it's a lot of text xD. Nice one tho

My thanks. I only made this post so long so I could get everything out there with one post. I feel like things are more heartfelt and truthful when you put more work into your words and opinions.

You've done well young one xD
What do you think about this post I made with some balancing for 3 perks? https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/10377/lets-get-these-3-perks-the-way-they-were-at-the-start#latest

I think that it was done well. Asking questions and getting different opinions from others can be fun and interesting sometimes. Questions like yours can get some interesting responses.

Envees

This is gonna get drowned in their tears. At the rate they are flowing many wont read this at all since they still too busy moaning and this post will get buried in no time.

I started as surv. I dabbled in killer in the beginning but was not good enough so switched back to surv. I stayed with surv till nearly all achievs were done and started getting hammered as i reached my limit.

Out of frustration and the fact that i instantly started getting more points i switched to killer. This was easy at first with the odd game where i got stomped. The higher i got the more frustrating it was and the worse i got as i also reached my limit there.

After millions of tbags, pallet slams, blinds, loops, BM in game and out i became toxic. I knew they hated camping and tunneling so that became my weapon of choice. Out of spite. I paid them back in spades and slowly gained some fun back. Was it right? Probably not since i conceded its not nice but i had the devs' blessing and after a million tbags, ect, i had enough. So that was it.

I have also seen the game from both sides but i mostly played killer in the latter half. Not touched survs for months.

This is an us against them game. How much toxicity goes along with that largely depends on how you are treated in the game by the opposite camp, I think. They were nasty so i vowed to get back and i did. With a vengeance. Do i need to camp in order to get kills? No. But it was more fun for me. Fun can be defined in many way.

I blame the devs for taking the fun out of my game as killer as it just got more and more frustrating the higher i went. Stomping n00bs gets old. We all started this game and got stomped right off of the bat no matter if you played killer or survs. Blame the devs. They make the game. They choose the parameters and circumstances under which we meet in the game.

Is it necessary that n00bs get stomped on right away by people that have far more skill than they do? There was a post a few days ago by either a father or a relative who wanted to get a family member involved. They lasted 6 games and uninstalled. But this is the experience for most who start the game. You either grow a thick skin and deal with it or dont.

Zet395

@Envees said:
This is gonna get drowned in their tears. At the rate they are flowing many wont read this at all since they still too busy moaning and this post will get buried in no time.

I started as surv. I dabbled in killer in the beginning but was not good enough so switched back to surv. I stayed with surv till nearly all achievs were done and started getting hammered as i reached my limit.

Out of frustration and the fact that i instantly started getting more points i switched to killer. This was easy at first with the odd game where i got stomped. The higher i got the more frustrating it was and the worse i got as i also reached my limit there.

After millions of tbags, pallet slams, blinds, loops, BM in game and out i became toxic. I knew they hated camping and tunneling so that became my weapon of choice. Out of spite. I paid them back in spades and slowly gained some fun back. Was it right? Probably not since i conceded its not nice but i had the devs' blessing and after a million tbags, ect, i had enough. So that was it.

I have also seen the game from both sides but i mostly played killer in the latter half. Not touched survs for months.

This is an us against them game. How much toxicity goes along with that largely depends on how you are treated in the game by the opposite camp, I think. They were nasty so i vowed to get back and i did. With a vengeance. Do i need to camp in order to get kills? No. But it was more fun for me. Fun can be defined in many way.

I blame the devs for taking the fun out of my game as killer as it just got more and more frustrating the higher i went. Stomping n00bs gets old. We all started this game and got stomped right off of the bat no matter if you played killer or survs. Blame the devs. They make the game. They choose the parameters and circumstances under which we meet in the game.

Is it necessary that n00bs get stomped on right away by people that have far more skill than they do? There was a post a few days ago by either a father or a relative who wanted to get a family member involved. They lasted 6 games and uninstalled. But this is the experience for most who start the game. You either grow a thick skin and deal with it or dont.

I understand the frustration. Playing killer can be really hard sometimes, but it isn't always that bad. Sometimes, you get actual good games and meet some genuinely good people, but those moments are far and few between. The game community is toxic -- like I said -- but we can still bear with it, as we've survived all this time. I don't find this any more different than a community like CoD for example. Extremely toxic, but it is one of the most popular game franchises of all time. With the community being toxic, it doesn't mean that we can't keep playing and enjoying the games that end up being good. Fun can still be had with this game.