General Discussions
General Discussions
Why is there no surrender button?!
I'm sure we all had it happen, where the killer leaves you slugged and BMs you until you bleed out. All that does is waste your time. If all survivors are down they should be allowed to kill themselves so we can move on to the next game (they would all need to agree just in case someone had unbreakable of course). Obviously it would give the killer the points needed and give them any perk tokens like BBQ. You can look at Identity V to see how this works.
And yes this is a rant but still it's a good QoL feature for survivors.
EDIT:
As I see a lot of people being confused I should clarify. I'm asking that only when ALL remaining survivors are downed they get the option to surrender. This wouldn't affect slugging the 3rd survivor to catch the 4th.
EDIT 2:
Also forgot to mention this, but all survivors would have to agree to surrender. If they want to use their anti slugging perks all they have to do is disagree.
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Why wouldnt your team mates come to your downed body and heal you?
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How is that relevant? And there are many obvious answers as to why they wouldn't.
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You should be able to concede and leave a husk behind. Maybe both killer and remaining survivor should be notified, too.
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Would it also pause any hatch opening? Because I could see this being abused to deny a Killer a 4K players think he 'did not deserve'.
And considering I've had MANY someones call me a camper because they unhooked in front of me; they don't really get to decide if I 'deserve' my 4K.
Or the guy who thought it was BM for me hitting him under the hook he unhooked his friend from WHILE he was healing. Like, I stood there and got 100% stalk as Ghostface, and hit the healer NOT the guy he unhooked..but he thought I had to let them heal.
So yeah; I will say no to mechanics that can be abused by the opposing team (be they Killer or Survivor).
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I think you misread. What I'm suggesting is when all 4 survivors are either slugged or sacrificed, they can choose to surrender, which will kill all survivors if agreed and give the killer any bloodpoints, emblem points or perk tokens they would have gotten otherwise.
The killer will still get a 4K, I don't see many ways to abuse this unless the killer had a Mori daily and then they downed all survivors before moring them, and even then that can be worked around.
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Oh, when all 4. Yeah, if a Killer is not picking people up at that point..
Yeah, I could see a give-up vote for all alive Survivors when they are all Dying or on Hooked
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that's like in identity v... who has a smarter system in place anyway. ranking wise and also has a surrender button because it's just tedious to wait out the result if you are dead anyway
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Wouldn’t go with the lore, the entity feeds off the survivors hope so surrendering would be off lore
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The entity feeds off of all strong emotions. The surrender could be tied to the survivors' despair, and the gloat-y pride of the killer. I think it's a good idea in general, I'm tired of having to toy with poor baby survivors just to pip.
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There is. It's called "leave game". You depip for conceding early though.
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I think the point of the "§urrender" button would be for them to all leave the game, without any negative side effects.
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Works unless killer slugs for hatch. Basically gives the unslugged survivor a free escape.
My suggestion is when the slugged survivor surrenders, they exit the game, but leave a "husk" behind in place of where they were slugged. The slug can move to the next game without having to waste 3 minutes crawling around, and the game can continue for the 4th survivor and the killer.
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Then stay until the game is over? Why should there be a way to dodge with no downside?
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Because you can't do it unless the other 3 Survivors are also willing to do it.
If EVERYONE has given up to the point that they don't even want to try to win then why NOT let them Surrender?
It's not like this is an unheard of mechanic. Identity V already does this with no problem and other games such as League practically need this feature.
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The reason why there is a penalty for dodging in the first place is because it screws over everyone else. However if everyone collectively agrees to do it then no one is being screwed over so it's fine.
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Not what I'm suggesting. I'm saying when ALL remaining survivors are downed they can all vote to surrender.
In your scenario the 4th survivor is still up, so they wouldn't be able surrender.
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Ah my bad. I agree with this, saves a lot of time for the survivors and the killer alike.
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I had this happen last night actually. Toxic doctor almost lost a 3v1, 4th survivor dc'd 30 seconds into match. Slugged me and other teammates until we bled out, after we did 4 gens and took him on long chases. An easy way out option would be nice but only in specific scenarios like this. Otherwise it would just be a free pass to disconnect.
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I doubt in most cases the killer would want to just quit. Not fair to them now is it? Just take the L and be onto the next game dude
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I agree; if the survivors bust out 4 gens before I even see a single one of them- why have to deal with the both gates being opened; teabagged; having to run back and fourth to shoo them out of the gates or wait out the entire endgame timer.... just let me surrender and find a game that is actually fair.
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Taking the L and moving on is the entire point of a Surrender mechanic.
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Bleedout is 4 minutes.
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No, that's avoiding the L and the penalty for not doing your objective. Take the actual L and move on with your life.
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No true scotsmen fallacy
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Bleed out timers are 4 minutes
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If you can't take losing then this game definitely isn't for you. Try something easier and more mindless
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If I'm surrendering then I can obviously take losing.
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Bleed out is 4 minutes not 2.
From: Regular Knockout user
I'd like to have a concede button that's available after being slugged for 1 minute. Since there's a good chance no one is coming for you, you can just leave and leave a husk behind so that you don't screw the killer.
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If you are surrendering then that means that you admit that you lost. It's just a way to save time.
That's why the EGC was introduced, so the killers wouldn't have to waste time chasing out survivors that are BMing.
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It's not admitting defeat if there's no penalty
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It's not losing if you're not punished for it. Just take the L and move on
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I'm not any less punished then I otherwise would be.
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No. This isn't some fps game. Plus that is a basically a dc but without a punishment
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You're asking to not depip and to not lose bloodpoints when you all "mutually concede". That's losing punishment. Just bleed out, take the L, and move on. Jesus DbD players are such dense babies
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It took how long to fix "DCs" and that didn't go with the lore either.
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Nope, the only way killers have to counter the "let go on hook" for the 4th player to get the hatch is by slugging the third player. This would be nice if it just applied if the hatch is closed, exit gates closed and you are the last player alive being slugged to the end game. Then yes. If not, then the 3rd person who we slug to get the 4k would just "surrender" to give the 4th hatch, which is already an issue
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If all survivors are downed and there hasnt been a change in state of survivors like getting back up with unbreakable or picked up by killer or morid after 30 seconds, game ends, killer gets points as if survivors bled out. So nothing.
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A surrender would mean losing whatever you would lose for being sacraficed at that moment. You don't lose BP because you never lose BP although you would be denied the ability to gain more BP obviously. And you'd only depip if you'd already depip because again, that's what happens when you lose in this game.
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If they give survivors the ability to surrender, it's only fair the killer has that option too. If a fair way for the killer to also have that option can't be figured out, then no to the whole thing it's too one sided.
Thing is the way the game is designed I don't see how surrender couldn't just be abused.
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Don’t quote me on this but I’m pretty sure taking the game hostage is already a punishable offense. If the killer slugs all 4 survivors and just bm’s then that’s taking the game hostage, right? Seems to me that this issue already has a solution then.
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Then just DC bro, there's no helping your mindset idk then
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No, taking the game hostage is where it's impossible to proceed. Like trapping all 4 survivors in the game bathroom and not moving until they DC
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Surrender when there is a potential to claw back a win is anti gameplay.
Suck it up Buttercup.
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Surrender is for when there isn't. Such as when all 4 are slugged.
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You are not paying attention. The OP already clarified in a second post above that they were referring to when all 4 survivors re slugged and the killer leaves them all to bleed out. There should then be a concede button. Not a rage quirk. The match is over and the killer is bot being robbed of anything point-wise. It is just saving a few minutes to reach the same conclusion.
Tgough I don't slug matches like that, I think it makes logical sense.
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And deny anyone the chance to have their chance if they have unbreakable or wiggle free. It's selfish to throw in the towel for your whole team just because you've had enough. Just deal with it a moment longer if you're in such a losing position.
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I think you misunderstand. For my suggestion all survivors would have to agree to surrender. If even one person disagrees the match would continue so you could still use your unbreakable or flip flop.
I edited the OP to make this more clear. Sorry about the confusion.
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Ah ok like R6 seige. Only if the killer agrees too. Imagine a Myers going for the evil incarnate achievement only to get Survivors with the option to surrender.
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I don't think letting the killer agree would be a good idea as the killer could reject it to BM and we would be back at square one.
For the evil incarnate achievement you can't mori down survivors so it wouldn't change much unless you accidentally downed them. Plus survivors can screw over the killer by going into a locker anyways.
I don't imagine any other negative consequences for killers as a result of this feature unless they're doing a mori daily and that can be worked around. Of course if there is something I missed you can tell me.
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If they have unbreakable then they can just not Surrender.
This isn't like DC where you and only leave. Either everyone Surrenders or no one does.
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