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Borrowed time not working while you're asleep????
Yeah,thats a big nope,thank you
Borrowed time is supposed to counter campers no matter what.
This is BS.
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BT only works in a killers TR, so if theres no TR or a really small TR... Its not gonna work too well. On the other hand if your against a Doc with a huge TR, you'll have it work even when hes on the other side of the map.
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Borrowed Time also doesn't work if the Pig is crouched, Wraith is cloaked, Myers is in EW Tier 1, Ghostface is in Night Shroud, or someone is using a perk/add-on that removes their Terror Radius.
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Its way different ,that is called stealth.
Stealth killers should counter BT not FREDDY.
BT worked before the rework so they changed it on purpose ?? Why???
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Ye I don't like how it works with Freddy rn. Feels unintuitive and cheap.
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It doesnt make sense ,indeed.
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Funnily enough, everytime I make use of this is when I chase someone.
Like I'm not even camping, they just unhooked in front of me during our chase and they expect me NOT to hit the unhooked survivor.
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They're probably gonna change it when the chapter released because the whole undetectable/oblivious legion build problem.
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Im just explaining how it is. With different perks allowing killers to tweek their TR, you can expect to run into this more and more. I remember a video awhile back of Otz showcasing dark devotion on Clown and being able to get around BT THAT way.
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Demn they got a good build, NERF LEGION!!!
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Your in the dream world and oblivious to stuff. Thats the reason. If you get hit by Freddy or are asleep before unhooking you didn't proc BT. It's the same way your only effected by snares and pallets in dream world. BT is not the god tier perk you think it is your probably doing this in front of a camper or doing unsafe hooks and farming.
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That one actually IS a problem. I'm all for weaker killers getting love, but thats just cheesing their power for cheap downs.
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The legion just received a massive nerf. With two new perks they got a good, new build. And it's even counterable by dropping pallets early.
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I don't see why the difference is relevant.
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Guess they blood lust them with BoP
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beast of prey kicks in its effect after chasing someone for 15 seconds, and no amount of early pallet drop is gonna change that one. All I gotta do is not kick it, and chase you til you drop.
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What? Freddy is the only killer that counters it? This is unacceptable. Poor survivors. I suggest nerfing him to legion tier
Problem solved
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I know that it's strong, but bloodlusting takes a while. How can legion be good in ANY way without this build?
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Doesn't matter if it's strong or not, it's the lack of counterplay from the survivor that's the problem. Just because you think he's bad doesn't mean he deserves to have 0 counterplay mechanics on his side.
Also no one mentions this at all, but the Legion speed and vault buffs are decent. He feels so much smoother in Frenzy with them.
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You play him normally accept that he's a weak killer and spread deep wounds while using builds that compliment him I have a friend who does well with him in live at red ranks. Using a cheesy mechanic might get you a down, but its not from skill of any kind. You wont like it and the survivors wont like it, but chances are people will abuse it for easy games till Legion gets reworked again and we all know how that turned out last time.
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The speed and vault buffs are very nice, but not even comparable to his massive nerfs to the 4v1 aspect aka Sloppy and STBFL. He now needs to waste an addon slot he really needs for duration for a pin addon that's not even as good as sloppy.
I'm doing well with him on r1 too on live., depending on the survivors. The sloppy and STBFL nerf will make them a weaker killer than they are right now. What is an easy first hit, if you are a M1 killer after that and you can't even get value through slower healing anymore?
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You realised it just yet? Sad.
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Thats the thing though, no matter how fast the chases are using the method... no one wants to do chases where their skill is thrown out the window and its just a simple timer saying "ok, you die now". If the legion can land a 2nd hit, cool for him...if not, the chase ends automatically in under a minute... Thats dumb.
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If the killer is proxy camping the basement... What am I supposed to do?
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Consistency ?
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@FriendlyGuy He is worse with those perks, but people act like that's his only build. It's not. I play him a lot since the rework too and I've never even used the build lol.
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I met like 10 Freddies since the rework,lol.
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YaY,another "argh survivors bad argh argh"
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body block for the guy being unhooked.
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This is intended behavior.
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I mean u are asleep,and in sleep there is no terror radius so yeah,no bt for ya :F that forces you to wake up even more thats how i see it
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It's his best build by far. And BHVR nerfed it to equal his power to killers like Demo and Huntress. Sure, you can put Shadowborn and Bloodhound on him and call it a build, but it's trash after all.
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Its not that easy and effective in practice.
I just dont think its fair since Freddy doesnt need to do anything to cancel BT while other killers do.
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solution for each problem just nerf em xD
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But you're already forced to wake up unless you wanna get rekt by Freddy.
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Or make it so borrowed time works even if you're asleep.
Thats all Im asking
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Idk what you mean w/ the Demo and Huntress comparison? But you intentionally picked 2 weaker perks lol, plenty more good perks for him like Ruin, BBQ, PGTW, Discordance, Corrupt Intervention, Thana etc.
...also we should stop now, we've derailed this thread enough lul.
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Honestly I just think BT should work based on distance radius, rather than “terror” radius.
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Thats not really gonna help a survivor protect someone using BT against Freddy. If the unhooker is asleep, the guy off the hook gets smacked and downed. If the unhooker is awake...the guy off the hook gets smacked and falls down when the timer drains. Against Freddy... the guy fresh off the hook cant be allowed to get hit or he WILL drop, which is why I said bodyblocking is really the only option.
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Ghostface pushes a button when you go to unhook, not really a difference as far as denying the BT goes. I do agree that oblivious was an unneeded addition to Freddy. I myself was already doing QUITE well with him before that was brought in. Just trying to provide SOME help because yeah...BT is useless against him and bodyblocking is your only option. Get in his way enough and he'll be forced to swap targets to you instead of the injured guy.
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Whatever you do- Don't. Fall. Asleep.
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Tru.
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I would say the difference is relevant because all of those killers have counter play with BT. Pig can't control her dash perfectly and can't attack instantly when someone unhooks. Ghostface can't attack at all. Myers has to be in tier 1. Wraith has 2 seconds before he can attack. All of them have counter play. They can't trade a hook for a hook if they need to. Freddy can get 2 hooks for one in this situation just by playing like a normal camper despite Borrowed Time.
Except he can hit the survivor before they unhook, putting them to sleep. OR he can old Legion the unhooked by hitting them and letting their Borrowed Time bleed out while following them.
Waking up does nothing against a camping Freddy.
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idk what to tell ya,i dont have problems with that and i play soloQ all the time,i feel like its a pretty nice buff to him and besides wake up and save while ur awake make someone else take the hit you save person has bt,if he gets hit it will run out but if hes running ds he should be fine :F
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In your example there, it doesnt really matter if BT was applied or not. The person getting tunneled off hook will still go down and your just hoping he has DS. While body blocking does help, I'm not gonna pretend that waking up is gonna make BT at all effective against Freddy.
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There is no inconsistency as far as Borrowed Time is concerned. It only works within the Killer's Terror Radius. All the Stealth Killers can shut off their TR one way or another, and being in the Dream World gives the Survivor Oblivious, which makes it count as though they are not in the Killer's TR.
In all of those examples (except EW1 Myers), the Killer can just do what they normally do. Pig crouches until they are unhooked so BT never triggers or crouches after triggering BT to run the timer down, Wraith stays cloaked until the unhook so BT never triggers or cloaks after triggering BT to run the timer down, Ghostface either stays in Night Shroud until the unhook so BT never triggers or goes into Night Shroud after BT to run the timer down, and Freddy either attacks the unhooker before the unhook so BT never triggers or attacks the unhooked to proc BT and run the timer down. The point is that BT is ineffective against all of those Killers.
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If Pig follows crouched she's slower and easier to body block. You can also bait her as the unhook is just long enough. Wraith has 2 seconds of uncloaking and this gives you time to body block or bait out his cloak. Ghostface can literally be broken out of night shroud if he doesn't attack.
Freddy can attack the unhooked as they're unhooking, hit the unhooked, and then down the unhooker without having to worry about the unhooked getting away because of oblivious.
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I wouldn't call it hoping cause in my games all survs have ds 90% of the time.Bt isn't as effective against freddy unless ur near gates which is exactly what u said,and the survivor unhooking needs to be awake,u are completely correct in ur statements I just said something quick thought and it won't be valid unless it happens under certain situations/circumstances aka survivor thats unhooking having bt and being awake and exit gates being near.Let me ask you something else tho,is it that bad to have a killer that can negate bt?While playing any other killer survivors can and will just hook bomb at endgame while combining body blocking to make sure you get nobody.Now is that fair either,that if he is going against coordinated survivors (solo,swf doesn't matter,only thing that matters is if they know how to bodyblock properly) that he is gonna lose that 1 and only kill he could have had?
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All of these killers have downsides to doing this... except Freddy.
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This is just about making it so BT can't save the unhooked person.
Person is unhooked -> BT is active -> M1 the unhooked person -> Unhooked person is now in Deep Wound -> turn off your TR -> Unhooked person's mend timer is now depleting and they HAVE to either stop and mend to be M1'd again or just go down due to Deep Wound.
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Yeah but a survivor being chased by a pig crouched isn't that hard to evade and it takes some time for her to uncrouch to attack. A survivor can stand around and try to force her to attack them instead while the person mends over time if they have to. Same for wraith. Ghostface can literally be broken out and has the most counterplay of all.
These killers have to actually REALLY TRY to force this situation. Freddy just gets it as an added benefit.
Either way I'm of the opinion BT needs to be distance based.
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